Talk:2022 Gujarat Legislative Assembly election

Speculations cannot be added on Wikipedia

@GJ 06 You have re-added the speculatory content that I had removed. Now I see @YttriumShrew has removed it again. Please follow WP:V. We cannot add anything based on speculations. Any content that is without a reliable source can be challenged and removed. It should not be restored without backing up with a reliable source. If you think that the reliable source may be available in future, then you should wait for that time and only add it back with the reliable source. Continued addition of unsourced and specualatory content is considered disruptive. Same goes for empty tables. Venkat TL (talk) 07:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The alliance mentioned between NCP and INC is also a purely speculative one, furthermore they did not ally with each other in 2017 & fought the 2021 local elections separately, yet they are mentioned to be within UPA. In contrast BTP & AIMIM fought the 2021 local elections together and have declared their intention to fight the assembly polls together.

source https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/aimim-to-fight-next-assembly-polls-in-gujarat-in-alliance-with-bharatiya-tribal-party20201226205408 GJ 06 (talk) 09:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

GJ 06, this is acceptable as it is sourced. But Congress NCP Gujarat alliance need to be sourced separately. Please do not revert back unsourced stuff. Thank you. --Venkat TL (talk) 10:59, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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AAP

@Joe de Jointe you need to check 2021 Gujarat local elections. It is third largest party in 2021 Gujarat local elections based on vote share and number of seats. AAP alliance has 2 seats in the Assembly, and most importantly media coverage of this party is on par with BJP or Congress. Please discuss your objections on the talk page. Venkat TL (talk) 09:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

@Chennai Super Kings Lover please discuss your edit. Venkat TL (talk) 06:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Chennai Super Kings Lover, @Ok123l There is no such 5% rule. Reliable sources are giving AAP prime coverage alogn with BJP and Congress. AAP has substantial presence in local bodies. See above comments. Please do not remove this without consensus. Venkat TL (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Content removed without giving reason

@Ok123l I have reverted your unexplained removal of sourced content while adding new content. Please don't remove existing content while you add new ones. Follow chronology while adding new content and do not copy paste. Venkat TL (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Dont use Twitter as a source on Wikipedia

User:Ok123l I have Remove twitter links used as source that you had added. Twitter is not a reliable source. If no reliable source reported this info, then it is not important enough and this does not belong on Wikipedia. Also note that WP:TOI is not reliable Venkat TL (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

What better source can you get about Congress' promises than Congress itself? Ok123l (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Godi media wont cover stuff, thats the media's problem Ok123l (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123l Wikipedia prefers Secondary and tertiary source instead of primary sources. Read WP:PSTS to understand what it means and why. Twitter is not considered reliable at all. Please do not restore twitter as source. I agree that Godi media cannot be used as source, but there are non godi media sources too. You can use more reliable sources, like NYT, BBC, NDTV, TheHindu Indian Express etc. If it is notable, they will cover it. Venkat TL (talk) 17:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Delhi excise policy is undue

Please see WP:UNDUE. The discussion of Delhi excise policy is undue on this page. Please do not add it. Venkat TL (talk) 14:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Order of Sections

@Dhruv edits, we should follow the order of sections as given on MOS:INDELECT. The issues section and campaign section will have some overlap and should be together. The Manifesto section should be before Campaign section. This is the standard in other international election articles too. What is the reason for putting manifesto, in between issues and campaigns? Venkat TL (talk) 14:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Congress copied AAP promises

Aam Aadmi Party announed Mohalla clinics for Gujarat along the lines of those it built in Delhi, Congress copied the promise and announced to open 'Janata Dawakhana' (Public pharmacy).

Ok123l what is your objection with this line, it is reliably sourced. Where do you think it should be mentioned if not in Manifesto section? Venkat TL (talk) 14:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Maybe add a subheading controversies on manifesto Ok123l (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean, Mohalla clinics offer basic health facilities in a community, India has probably has such things in the past before the AAP introduced it. Ok123l (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123l I am not going to discuss benefits of Mohalla clinic on this thread, suffice to say that Reliable source say it has received international acclaim. Creating a controversy section for one line is an overkill. Since it is about manifesto, it is in the intro of manifesto section. another option is to include it in Congress manifesto section. I am ok for both. Venkat TL (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL It is looking very out of place in intro of the section. Should be included under Congress subsection. Dhruv edits (talk) 15:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Dhruv edits ok. I am fine with the move. Venkat TL (talk) 09:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Alleged copyright violation

@Diannaa, why have you removed my edit? You said it was a copyright violation but it was in accordance with NDTV's Terms and Conditions, "NDTV grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license, revocable at any time at NDTV’s sole discretion, to access and use the Service strictly in accordance with the Terms. Use of the Service does not grant you any intellectual property rights in or to any information or content in the Service." Ok123l (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Please read item #18. Intellectual Property: "The Service, Content and Software are protected under the copyright laws. NDTV claims copyrights in its Service, Content, and Software to the maximum extent of the law." This means that the content on their website is protected by copyright, and it's not okay to copy it to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay, thank you, I'll be more careful next time. Ok123l (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Translated this article to Hindi

I've translated this article to Hindi, check it out: Translated this article to Hindi, check it out. If you're interested, please help me improve the page. Ok123l (talk) 17:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

https://hi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5 Ok123l (talk) 03:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Translated article to Gujarati

I've translated this article to Gujarati: https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%97%E0%AB%81%E0%AA%9C%E0%AA%B0%E0%AA%BE%E0%AA%A4_%E0%AA%B5%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%A7%E0%AA%BE%E0%AA%A8%E0%AA%B8%E0%AA%AD%E0%AA%BE_%E0%AA%9A%E0%AB%82%E0%AA%82%E0%AA%9F%E0%AA%A3%E0%AB%80,_%E0%AB%A8%E0%AB%A6%E0%AB%A8%E0%AB%A8 Ok123l (talk) 05:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

No. It was only expanded with machine translation. Please don't add translation unless you are fluent with the Gujarati language. -- Kartik Mistry ^talk 06:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Gautam Adani

Why Gautam Adani is being referred as Narendra Modi ally sourced through a Jeff Bezos owned media ? Mundra port was developed by Adani during Congress rule in Gujarat, Adani has also been involved with Congress governments like in Maharashtra MVA and Gehlot led Rajasthan government's solar projects, and even the Hansdeo forest coal projects under the Congress led government in Chhattisgarh? Even the communists in Kerala have given some projects to Adani. How does the RNDTV takeover indicates that Gautam Adani is "Narendra Modi ally" ? सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 04:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I will not debate Washington Post's authenticity as it is widely known for publishing factual news (See WP:RS/P). It is very clear that Adani is very close aide of Modi as his government has been waiving off gigantic loans of Adani. Now even if Adani got Mundra port during Congress, today they are a Modi ally. In the Washington Post's article, they didn't link NDTV takeover to Adani. They basically just said he is already a Modi ally and he is taking over an independent news channel. And what if Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos? Is he putting fake news in it? No. So that's a useless claim. If the Washington Post isn't enough, TheGuardian and DW News. Ok123l (talk) 05:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

If waiving loans makes Adani an ally of Modiji then what about the cheap land made available to Adani by the Congress governments of Gujarat ? Also the frustration of Congress workers is clear as they are losing control over all the institutions and governments and will be routed soon in Gujarat too, people know it better, and for the part of RNDTV, the meltdown in Gujarat results will be a pleasing sight of a landslide victory of BJP, and about China lover Washshitton post, its love for communists is not hidden, Thanks

सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not trying to debate whether BJP will win or not but the fact that Adani is an ally of PM Modi is widely known and properly sourced by a reliable news source so it's not a baseless claim. Period. Ok123l (talk) 06:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123l One IP user has removed this again. I suggest it should be added into the article. Venkat TL (talk) 13:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL I re-added it. Dhruv edits (talk) 13:16, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Dhruv edits @Venkat TL Ok123l (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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Opinion poll survey

Opinion poll survey is added and somebody reverted without any reason. OPiniion polls and surveys are included in various related wiki pages see below for reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Uttar_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election#Opinion_polls — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gidua (talk • contribs) 05:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

can somebody create an infobox for the same @Bishonen Gidua (talk) 05:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Huh..? The article has an infobox. But I looked, and, Gidua, do you realize that your latest revert restored the IP's edit also, i.e. you restored their removal of a good reference? That seems like a seriously bad idea. Altogether, you shouldn't be edit warring over your insertion, but first wait for possible consensus for it here in this discussion you've opened. Bishonen | tålk 08:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC).

thanx for adding the infobox Gidua (talk) 10:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

• There is no consnsus to add the survey opinion poll data. Please refer to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure#Surveys and polls. Only reputed polling agencies who are transparent and released their sample size error % data can be added. The error percentage is not a range but a number. That itself is a sign that this is another fraud poll by C Voter. C Voter has been accused by all parties of being biased for a particular party, moreover C Voter has not released their sample size or error % so they should not be added. CVoter has been established to have conducted fraud polls see The Fraud Called Opinion Polls. All political parties and the Election Commission of India have called these opinion polls as fraudulent. Wikipedia should not be used to promote these paid news and fraud polls. In any case Please do not restore this section without a clear consensus. If internationally reputed polling agencies (e.g. Nielson) conduct polls and release data they can be suggested to be added. CVoter is neither trusted nor reputed, in fact they have a history of being caught manipulating. Please do not add it again. See WP:ONUS. Venkat TL (talk) 12:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  Political parties in India always blame opinion polls if the result of the poll are not in there favor. So the reliability of opinion polls are an invalid argument. @Venkat TL keep ranting about C Voter is a fraud and paid poll without giving any credible evidence. It seems only @Venkat TL is not in agreement with this addition Gidua (talk) 14:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

• @Gidua Look it is not me who is ranting. ALL political parties except one have called out these Opinion polls fraudulent. Let alone parties, Even the Constitutional Body, Election Commission of India have called it as fraudulent and asked for ban on it. See below.

  Election Commission of India (ECI)

• (2014) "We have reminded the Union government a dozen times since we made our first request to ban opinion poll and exit poll surveys in 1997…Opinion polls influence unlettered and undecided voters. They can misguide young voters, too". The Election Commission (EC) of India cannot ban opinion polls ahead of elections; all it can do is remind the Union government about its long-pending request. Source

• (2014) In a communication to the ministries of Corporate Affairs and Information and Broadcasting, the EC has said the matter involves allegations of conspiracy to prepare false reports/polls for publishing misleading information on consideration of illegal payment of money in return. "Therefore, it is requested that this complaint may be looked into urgently for appropriate action at your end," K Ajaya Kumar, the Principal Secretary of Election Commission of India wrote to the secretaries of the two ministries. "The allegation is that the organisations have agreed to manipulate the results of opinion polls by tweaking figures for publishing to the general public," the poll panel noted.

• "Congress cries foul over manipulation of opinion polls, Election Commission urges Centre to act". The Economic Times.
• There is no consensus to add the controversial and fraudulent polls. Please dont misrepresent consensus. Venkat TL (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  It was all hunky and dory until the same pollster predicted an AAP sweep in Punjab and Delhi. It was neither controversial nor fraudulent.

  I barely saw any section highlighting BJP's campaign or Manifesto, until now. I added a section detailing BJP's campaign today, and suddenly the page is semi-protected.

  I think its time Wikipedia comes out of the garb of being neutral and shows what it truly represents. Iamashu95 (talk) 16:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  I was about to give the same arguement. @EvergreenFir didnt even bother to give a look at the arguements given in the talk before reverting. C Voter was used as relible source untill today. But now today it is unreliable ? As an admin @EvergreenFir need to make sure that its reliability shall be discussed at appropriate forum which is WP RSN. This is not expected from an admin Gidua (talk) 17:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  Stopping disruption is an admin's job. Edit warring is disruptive. If consensus forms on the talk page to add that content, then it will be added. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  Pinging Bishonen EvergreenFir (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  I can understand that you have stopped the disruption by protecting the page for 2 days., and thats OK. But you have reverted an edit which is centre of dispute is questionable. Gidua (talk) 17:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

  C Voter has been used as RS multiple times. But i can understand that any body can question its reliability at any time. But the appropriate place to raise a dispute regarding its reliability is WPRSN, as an admin EvergreenFir you have to act neutrally by pointing @Venkat TL towards a right course of action . But you have failed in thatGidua (talk) 17:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Metro inauguration by PM Modi

@Lamashu95 why are you writing that the PM inaugurated metros, specifically Ahmedabad Metro, which the PM reportedly already inaugurated in 2019. (source1, source2) Ok123l (talk) 16:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

OK Mr. I-know-it-All...atleast I wrote something...you did not even create a section related to BJP's campaign and manifesto, as if its not even a player. I can understand where you priorities lie. Please feel free to delete the entire section that I created. Iamashu95 (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)