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*I agree with Izno and feel there remains the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FClarification_and_Amendment&type=revision&diff=998501159&oldid=998454920 mismatch] I identified last year between the editor's good faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia and community forbearance of those efforts. See also [[WP:WILDFLOWERS]]. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 22:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC) |
*I agree with Izno and feel there remains the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FClarification_and_Amendment&type=revision&diff=998501159&oldid=998454920 mismatch] I identified last year between the editor's good faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia and community forbearance of those efforts. See also [[WP:WILDFLOWERS]]. [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 22:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Amendment request: American politics 2 == |
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==Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Atsme== |
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'''Initiated by''' [[User:Atsme|Atsme]] '''at''' 01:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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; Appealing user : {{userlinks|Atsme}} – [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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; Clauses to which an amendment is requested |
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; Sanction being appealed : Antifascism U.S. |
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#[[Special:Permalink/907603929#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction|You are indefinitely topic banned from Anti fascism in the United States, broadly construed.]] |
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| ⚫ | Topic ban from Antifascism US imposed at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=prev&oldid=907431791#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction Talk:Atsme], first on July 22, 2019, amended on July 24, 2019 at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=next&oldid=907603929#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction Talk:Atsme]. |
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; Administrator imposing the sanction : {{admin|Awilley}} |
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*{{userlinks|Atsme}} (initiator) |
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| ⚫ | *Topic ban from Antifascism US imposed at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=prev&oldid=907431791#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction Talk:Atsme], first on July 22, 2019, amended on July 24, 2019 at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=next&oldid=907603929#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction Talk:Atsme]. |
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:* Repeal requested |
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The date of Awilley's first topic ban action is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=prev&oldid=907431791#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction July 22 2019] but he modified it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=next&oldid=907603929#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction July 24, 2019] to cover US only, perhaps because I called an RfC at the only article that is clearly subject of this t-ban, and where I also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Antifa_(United_States)&diff=907201725&oldid=907201546 received an apology] for the behavior that resulted in my stated concerns over how I was being treated. As Awilley has said in the past to other editors who reacted defensively to aggressive editors, we need to grow [[Wikipedia:Thicker skin sanction|thicker skin]]. A few of the diffs he included involved my attempt to fix the header template at [[Talk:Fascism]] because it conflicts with consensus from an RFC, and contradicts the resulting lead of [[Fascism|the article]], but that topic is not part of my t-ban. He also used diffs for my limited participation in an AfD involving a BLP which may or may not be associated with the topic of my t-ban. I have had very limited participation in that topic area as evidenced in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=943215390#Your_advice this discussion]. Please forgive me, but "backroom deals" don't sit well with me, so I chose to bring my appeal here. It is now January 1, 2022 and the topic ban has been in place approximately 2-1/2 years for a topic area where I have spent very little time over the past decade as an editor. In fact, an iota of time would be an gargantuan overstatement in comparison to my total edits. I would very much like to start the New Year with a clean slate, and hope ArbCom will agree that it has been long enough. |
The date of Awilley's first topic ban action is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=prev&oldid=907431791#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction July 22 2019] but he modified it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=next&oldid=907603929#Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction July 24, 2019] to cover US only, perhaps because I called an RfC at the only article that is clearly subject of this t-ban, and where I also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Antifa_(United_States)&diff=907201725&oldid=907201546 received an apology] for the behavior that resulted in my stated concerns over how I was being treated. As Awilley has said in the past to other editors who reacted defensively to aggressive editors, we need to grow [[Wikipedia:Thicker skin sanction|thicker skin]]. A few of the diffs he included involved my attempt to fix the header template at [[Talk:Fascism]] because it conflicts with consensus from an RFC, and contradicts the resulting lead of [[Fascism|the article]], but that topic is not part of my t-ban. He also used diffs for my limited participation in an AfD involving a BLP which may or may not be associated with the topic of my t-ban. I have had very limited participation in that topic area as evidenced in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=943215390#Your_advice this discussion]. Please forgive me, but "backroom deals" don't sit well with me, so I chose to bring my appeal here. It is now January 1, 2022 and the topic ban has been in place approximately 2-1/2 years for a topic area where I have spent very little time over the past decade as an editor. In fact, an iota of time would be an gargantuan overstatement in comparison to my total edits. I would very much like to start the New Year with a clean slate, and hope ArbCom will agree that it has been long enough. |
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=== American politics 2: Clerk notes === |
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* {{clerk note}} I have reformatted this request to match the expected format of an ARCA. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[User:MJL/P|☖]]</sup></span> 05:51, 2 January 2022 (UTC) |
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=== American politics 2: Arbitrator views and discussion === |
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===Statement by (involved editor 2)=== |
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===Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Atsme === |
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| Request name | Motions | Initiated | Votes |
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| Persistent WP:IDONTLIKEIT behavior in WP:NCROY discussions | 10 May 2024 | 0/4/0 |
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| Conflict of interest management | 13 Apr 2024 |
| Mzajac | 7 May 2024 |
| Request name | Motions | Case | Posted |
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| Amendment request: Motion: Crouch, Swale | none | none | 1 January 2022 |
| Amendment request: American politics 2 | none | (orig. case) | 2 January 2022 |
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Amendment request: Motion: Crouch, Swale
Initiated by Crouch, Swale at 17:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Case or decision affected
- Special:Diff/934849515
- Clauses to which an amendment is requested
- List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
- Crouch, Swale (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Information about amendment request
- Replace 1 article a week through AFC with 1 article a month without AFC.
Statement by Crouch, Swale
Please replace the 1 article a week through AFC with 1 article a month without needing to go through AFC. This will reduce the number of articles I can create a year from 52 to 12 but will mean I can create them directly however we should also consider allowing me to create a specified number of civil parishes for the parishes project, there are 407 left as well as allowing appeal every 6 months. There are also a number of other suggestions I have made here. Several editors at the last appeal said they would be happy with allowing 1 article a week with no AFC but I don't think we need to allow 1 article a week on anything, it should probably only be 1 article a month but as noted a specified number of civil parishes for the project could be specified such as 1 article a month on anything and 1 parish 1 week etc so as noted it could just be 1 article every 3 months or 1 article every 6 months as long as the AFC requirement is removed. As noted before I have had very few articles declined at AFC. Please specify which options and what creation limits you accept even if its only 1 article a year, example, 1 article a month, 1 parish a week, appeal after 6 months.
- @Izno: In the previous request several arbitrators said they would be happy with removing the need to go to AFC by allowing me to create 1 article a week, in this appeal I'm suggesting as the 1st option to reduce 1 article a week to 1 article a month. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Izno: That back in 2010 my article creations were generally poorly sourced and often contained little meaningful content while now I have produced much better articles such as population data, coordinates and history, see Shoreswood and Greenstead Green and Halstead Rural for example. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Statement by {other-editor}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.
Crouch, Swale: Clerk notes
- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
Crouch, Swale: Arbitrator views and discussion
- This appeal of restrictions, similarly to the last one you reference directly, does not appear to discuss the reasons why the restrictions exist nor why they should not exist today (or why they should be reduced). Can you clearly articulate why you think they do and why you think they should not? --Izno (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Crouch, Swale Let me repeat:
Can you clearly articulate why you think [your restrictions exist]?
As for the second question, I am not interested in what you think the "several" arbitrators said last time. Let me try asking the question a different way to see if that helps you understand what my second question was asking:What behavior can you show or what promises can you give that the behavior which earned you the restrictions in the first place will not be repeated?
Izno (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Crouch, Swale Let me repeat:
- I agree with Izno and feel there remains the mismatch I identified last year between the editor's good faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia and community forbearance of those efforts. See also WP:WILDFLOWERS. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Amendment request: American politics 2
Initiated by Atsme at 01:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Clauses to which an amendment is requested
- List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
- Atsme (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Awilley (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- Diff of notification for Awilley.
- Information about amendment request
- Topic ban from Antifascism US imposed at Talk:Atsme, first on July 22, 2019, amended on July 24, 2019 at Talk:Atsme.
- Repeal requested
Statement by Atsme
The date of Awilley's first topic ban action is July 22 2019 but he modified it July 24, 2019 to cover US only, perhaps because I called an RfC at the only article that is clearly subject of this t-ban, and where I also received an apology for the behavior that resulted in my stated concerns over how I was being treated. As Awilley has said in the past to other editors who reacted defensively to aggressive editors, we need to grow thicker skin. A few of the diffs he included involved my attempt to fix the header template at Talk:Fascism because it conflicts with consensus from an RFC, and contradicts the resulting lead of the article, but that topic is not part of my t-ban. He also used diffs for my limited participation in an AfD involving a BLP which may or may not be associated with the topic of my t-ban. I have had very limited participation in that topic area as evidenced in this discussion. Please forgive me, but "backroom deals" don't sit well with me, so I chose to bring my appeal here. It is now January 1, 2022 and the topic ban has been in place approximately 2-1/2 years for a topic area where I have spent very little time over the past decade as an editor. In fact, an iota of time would be an gargantuan overstatement in comparison to my total edits. I would very much like to start the New Year with a clean slate, and hope ArbCom will agree that it has been long enough.
Statement by Awilley
Statement by {other-editor}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.
American politics 2: Clerk notes
- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
Clerk note: I have reformatted this request to match the expected format of an ARCA. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 05:51, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
