:{{reply|Dunutubble}} we don't need another vote.....the previous discussion has concluded that the article need to be trim . Rather we need discussion on how. [[User:Matthew hk|Matthew hk]] ([[User talk:Matthew hk|talk]]) 00:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Dunutubble}} we don't need another vote.....the previous discussion has concluded that the article need to be trim . Rather we need discussion on how. [[User:Matthew hk|Matthew hk]] ([[User talk:Matthew hk|talk]]) 00:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. Agree with Matthew. It's all about how. I saw his message on an online forum and I agree with his reasoning. [[Special:Contributions/210.6.10.118|210.6.10.118]] ([[User talk:210.6.10.118|talk]]) 13:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
== New session about the Criticism of protesters is needed ==
== New session about the Criticism of protesters is needed ==
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RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, Moved, 1 January 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–20 Hong Kong protests → 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, No consensus, 2 May 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests → 2019–21 Hong Kong protests, Procedural close and moved back to 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, 31 December 2020, discussion
RM, 2019–20 Hong Kong protests → 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests, Moved to 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests, 4 April 2021, discussion
RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → ?, not moved, 2 July 2021, discussion
RM, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement, not moved, 10 August 2021, discussion
Older discussions:
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong protests, Not moved, 10 June 2019, discussion
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong crisis, Not moved, 2 September 2019, discussion
RM, 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests → 2019 Hong Kong protests, Moved, 4 September 2019, discussion
Cheng Ching-Tse (5 October 2019). "Wikipedia becomes a battleground for Taiwan and China". Taiwan News. Retrieved 5 October 2019. According to UDN, the Hong Kong protest page was edited 65 times in one day, mainly on the issue of whether Hongkongers should be referred to as "rioters" or "protesters."
Manas Sharma, Simon Scarr (28 October 2019). "How Hong Kong's keyboard warriors have besieged Wikipedia". Reuters. Retrieved 28 October 2019. A Reuters analysis found a seven-fold surge in edits of the Hong Kong Police Force page over the 10 months to October, compared with a year earlier. Similar spikes occurred in articles about the protests and Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam.
The protest are still happening and for the same reasons plus more under CCP China. A correction on the title and some limelight towards their struggle would be nice 2601:100:C100:3540:650A:BC2C:A34E:8CE (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any source? Citobun (talk) 22:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would say 2021 Hong Kong protest or even History of Hong Kong (2020-) may be better article title to cover the post National Security Law Hong Kong. Just one thing i am pretty sure mass scale protest does not exist in Hong Kong now. You want to reflect the real world , create wiki article to cover the mass scale arrest and dissolution of political parties , citing news article should be the real thing to do. Matthew hk (talk) 18:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok but do you have a reliable source for this? TypeKnight03 (talk) 04:51, 24 Aug 2021 (UTC)
Article size split
Support split - To follow up on a previous discussion, since there is consensus to split, I suggest reducing the "Reactions", "Impact", "Local media coverage", "Police misconduct", "Online confrontations", "Background", "History" as well as the "Clashes between protesters and counter-protesters" sections to ONE paragraph each, and having the rest covered in the sub articles. Obviously, I am open to suggestions. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we having this discussion every other month... Reducing the sections to ONE paragraph is an absurd idea. For instance, the article for World War II has way more than just six paragraphs. We probably need a short overview on the changes in Hong Kong one year after the NSL was enacted, but other than, this article is completed and shouldn't be changed significantly. OceanHok (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is How to split need to be discuss. Or noone bold enough to throw out the details and leave the real essence to actually summarize the protest and the impact. Matthew hk (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support:This article is far too long, and that topic actually needs and deserves an article. You have my full support on this one.! Dunutubble (talk) 22:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dunutubble: we don't need another vote.....the previous discussion has concluded that the article need to be trim . Rather we need discussion on how. Matthew hk (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Agree with Matthew. It's all about how. I saw his message on an online forum and I agree with his reasoning. 210.6.10.118 (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
New session about the Criticism of protesters is needed
The article only mentions police violence, but as far as I know, the protesters also engaged in violent acts such as assaulting police, vandalizing public property, abducting passers-by, and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nana byun (talk • contribs) 02:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The lead was recently changed unilaterally by Dgtdddsx123 as if the article was moved, and as such it no longer conforms to MOS:FIRST. I do not see any real opposition though aside from myself and I am uninterested in a discussion between just me and them. I think the discussion regarding the title of this article should be revived, and my thoughts are as follows:
A source using the term "2019–2020 Hong Kong protests" or "2019–2021 Hong Kong protests" is not sufficient justification for its inclusion in the lead. The goal is to avoid redundancy in the lead (i.e. avoid, "The 2019–2021 Hong Kong protests are a series of demonstrations since 15 March 2019...")
This article is about the Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement and the aftermath of its suppression. This article does not cover any protests or demonstrations that occurred in 2021, only the subsequent crackdown. The source provided that uses the term "2019–2021 Hong Kong protests" makes the same mistake.
It is to keep pages from contradicting each other. You can also leave comments on the pages that discuss criticism of protesters and about the protests/suppression in 2021 if necessary. All the best☺,Dgtdddsx123 (talk) 07:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The title "Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement" is kind of a common name in Cantonese, but not really in English. I think we need to accept the fact that there is no more actual act of protest in Hong Kong since July 2020. There is only resentment against the government, but little to no actions to actually defy it in 2021. OceanHok (talk) 07:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt hrichina is deemed a reliable source or not. Matthew hk (talk) 17:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This article is way too long. Probably just add a hatnote that ask reader to read another article for post-protest clamp down of Hong Kong freedom and democracy? Feel free to create History of Hong Kong (2019-) or History of Hong Kong (2020-), or just ask reader to read Hong Kong national security law and the effect of literally nuke the pro-democracy political parties into dust? Matthew hk (talk) 09:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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