User talk:Jimbo Wales

WP-wear

I like the Illusion page shirt, but I won't pay €300 for it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

These are kind of cool but outrageously expensive. What is the thinking behind directing WikiMedia staff to spend time on fashion branding? Is there really a market for Wikipedia emblazoned shirts for hundreds of pounds? I mean, if readers have that kind of money to spend, it's better that they contribute directly than give it to a fashion merchandiser who gives "a part of the profit" to the Foundation. JMHO. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Even the models seem to have a problem with wearing them. They have, "Why the hell did they make me wear this thing?" looks on their faces. Whatever happened to selling things with a smile? Can make all the difference. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 15:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

It would be a little cool if they made those shirts on the article of your choice. The market among various geeks and fans could be considerable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

That's typical model face. They don't really smile any more. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I've seen happier expressions in police booking photos for felony crimes. -- llywrch (talk) 17:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I mean, peruse the ads in the New Yorker or whatever. If you're not conveying the impression that you're a spoiled douchebag who is bitter about being exceptionally attractive and well paid to stand around and be fussed over, you're doing it wrong, apparently.

The point of charging €300 is wealth signalling for the buyer, of course. Herostratus (talk) 02:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Or it's an extreme reaction to the American smile, because the style-setters have decided it's no longer kewl. -- llywrch (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

"This guy must be rich, he's wearing WP-printed stuff." Well, perhaps they'll get there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

And do they sell this shirt? SemiHypercube 🎂 20:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Granting WMF trademark licenses for the purpose of selling Wikipedia-branded clothes at prohibitive prices is, to put it mildly, questionable. It seems to go against the spirit of the Wikimedia 2030 strategy too. --MarioGom (talk) 13:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

If you don't approve of using our name for the purpose of hawking overpriced goods, you're possibly on the wrong talkpage. ‑ Iridescent 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, at least the merchandise is getting better. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

To Jimmy Wales.

I confess that I am very impressed with your project.

When I first heard about the idea of an encyclopedia, that anyone could edit, it seemed absurd to me. I am, as a 'senior citizen' more used to getting my information from books.

But this experiment seems to have worked out very well. I congratulate you for your idea and I congratulate you and your staff on the work that you do to disseminate human knowledge. This should NOT be a commodity and your organisation is working to ensure that it does not become such.

Today I have been impressed by your coverage of Covid-19 and coronavirus. I have found information, for which I have searched on Public Health England and the Centers For Disease Control, concerning the lifetime of the virus and the means of eradicating it. I have found that information right here - on Wikipedia.

I have been impressed in the past by the depth of information available. I never expected to find pages on every actor/actress, director, film or TV program which you could possibly think of and, when I found a page on 'Mafia speak', I was quite stunned.

Congratulations to you all. Keep up the good work. It's for all mankind.

Anonymous.

83.216.145.199 (talk) 13:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• Like +1. Stay safe and healthy, Jimbo and folks! --Reciprocater (Talk) 20:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
• yay! It is such appreciation from people that keeps our energy levels up. You appreciating our work is appreciated a lot. There is a very high possibility that the gentleman is referring to Glossary of Mafia-related words. I also redirected Mafia speak there. Kappish? —usernamekiran (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Minutes of the November 9, 2018 Board of Trustees meeting

Please see David Gerard's wikimedia-l message pointing out the proposal with its concordant pre-determined decisions advanced in the foundation:Minutes/2018-11-9,10,11#Branding Board meeting. Is that why no Board meeting minutes have been published for over a year on the eve of a new Board election? EllenCT (talk) 21:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no relation between the two at all. I don't agree with David's interpretation of the situation at all. There were no pre-determined outcomes in the 2018-11 board meeting, nor do the minutes say that there were. The idea that this was or is being imposed by fiat from the top is simply a distracting and manifestly false narrative.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Well what is the hold up with publishing the minutes? By the way, did you watch the "Concept Presentation"? "Comments are turned off" and the live chat transcript -- which had several hundred comments from dozens of decades-long community members including high-level functionaries during the presentation -- has been removed from the video. [Update: the chat transcript is back.] On Zoom, the managers involved, including a C-suite Officer, were present and had their cameras on, but never spoke, letting their line workers be the only public faces recorded on the published video. The selected "unifying concept," "interconnection," was not one of the 23 concepts on which the community had been asked to comment and "like." Could anything be more top-down and willfully ignorant of community input? I note that the next stage, developing a naming convention, has been removed from the community involvement checklist after I, as had been requested previously, provided an actual naming convention from a peer reviewed literature review in informatics. Since then, the community involvement checklist has been removed from the project timeline. Do you believe that the project management is actually desirous of any further community involvement; if so, what evidence do you see? EllenCT (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Labor unionization

Jimbo, it has recently come to my attention that many Foundation employees already enjoy the advantages of membership in a labor union. However, none of the employees who have been asked to be the public face of unpopular decisions from the c-suite (including falsification of statistics for which such officers have been forced to apologize after a lengthy period of requiring their rank-and-file to attempt to justify them) enjoy the same advantages. Would you have any objections to union stewards of Foundation employee unions organizing the remaining line workers? EllenCT (talk) 01:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo, consider this: "RebrandingWikimedia.org would have been provocative." To whom? Not the community. Not the board. Not to you or me. It's a completely milquetoast name for what would have been, under that name, a completely uncontroversial project (beyond the question of why money is being spent on it when the legal department hasn't addressed the continuing blatant paid editing from Status Labs for the better part of a decade.) Not to any Foundation employees other than one: the same c-suite manager who asked Zack and his colleagues to misrepresent their own survey statistics until she was forced to apologize. How else could it possibly appear provocative from Zack's perspective? EllenCT (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Space for improvement

Hi Jimbo, congratulation for the project, I was optimist, but we really made it work !

Recently people have been asking in talk pages a lot of questions about COVID-19 (obviously). I know we are not a medical forum of any sort, but seeing with how much carelessness those people are put in a box or just reverted citing WP:FORUM, I can't help but to notice how simple some of those questions are and how it could really be a question of life and death for someone. Wouldn't be better to refer them to a source or an article we have instead of basically muting them ?

I feel we can do better. Much better on that front. Iluvalar (talk) 02:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Time Capsule

Hi Jimbo, I have a suggestion:

a Wikipedia Time Capsule for Wikipedia's 20th anniversary. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 03:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd donate the hoodie Sue Gardner gave me. EllenCT (talk) 23:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm quite interested in people's ideas on this. We've got until January to organizing something amazing. But what can we do in that time to properly reflect how amazing 20 years of Wikipedia has been? Warning: I may borrow some of your ideas for the next issue of The Signpost. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe one of the shirts could go in the time capsule.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hello. :)

Cmrn96 (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge

If anybody is interested I've created a 50,000 article long term challenge. It's gradually gaining momentum but needs more contributors long term if we are to achieve it by 2030. To get 50,000 stubs improved I think would be a great achievement! † Encyclopædius 20:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

How do you make your money?

Note: This message is for Jimbo and Jimbo ONLY. It should be answered by Jimbo or not answered at all.

I am seriously confused. You run a 'free encyclopedia', yet numerous sources have stated your net worth is about $1 million US dollars. In an interview with The Guardian, you stated was salary "isn't Silicon Valley money. It's not even London money." You have made numerous attempts to downplay your wealth.

Moreover, you have hundreds of thousands of editors slaving away for free. You are not paying them, yet time and time again I see begging messages from you on this website trying to ask users for money. What the hell are you doing with money that is donated? Where are you getting your money from? --Stringency Auditicale (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stringency Auditicale, It is unlikely you'll get Jimbo's response, but I've been wrong before :) Jimbo is not paid by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation [1], whom oversees Wikipedia. Jimbo gets his money from speaking engagements and Wikia, which is seperate from Wikipedia and its sister projects [2]. He's certainly not poor, but he's no Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates, not even close.

The money that Wikipedia asks folks for, raised by donation, goes to keep the servers running and the Wikimedia Foundation employees paid. As one of the world's largest and most visited websites, Wikipedia maintains large server farms to host all of its data. Those need to be built, maintained, and kept on. The Foundation also uses the money on its several hundred employees. They are not doing the day-to-day editing, but rather keeping Wikipedia as an organization alive. That includes lawyers (Wikipedia gets sued several times everyday, though no-ones been successful yet), coders and computer scientists to build the back-end, public relations folks, and a bevy of other individuals required to operate projects in hundreds languages that sees billions of views each month. The Wikimedia foundation is funded entirely by donation, which ensures that it is not beholden to corporate interests or its subjects. It is beholden only to its readers. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stringency Auditicale, I suggest you try to read the Jimmy Wales article (e.g. its Jimmy Wales#Wikimedia Foundation section, containing e.g. "[Wales's] work for the foundation, including his appearances to promote it at computer and educational conferences, has always been unpaid."), which may already answer part of your question, before coming here and trying to alter the rules on whoever can answer questions posted on this talk page.

References

--Francis Schonken (talk) 07:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this excellent answer. You have eased all of our collective worries. Often, over-hyped Wikipedia admins immediately shut down anything considered to be critical of Jimbo on here, but you didn't do that. --Stringency Auditicale (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

It looks like this has been answered already but I wanted to add some details myself. First, "you stated was salary 'isn't Silicon Valley money. It's not even London money.'". There's clearly a typo in there but for clarity that is not a quote of me, as I've never said that.

Second, as noted, I have never taken a salary from the Wikimedia Foundation. Further, I generally don't take expense reimbursements for my work as a board member - I typically pay for my own flights. There are exceptions: when I've been asked by the Foundation to specifically go on a diplomatic mission to meet officials on a trip that I wouldn't have taken otherwise, I do let the Foundation cover my travel expenses (hotel+flight). Sometimes when we have a board retreat, the Foundation bulk books rooms in a hotel and I take one of the rooms. There are also some meals covered. I may have forgotten some other minor specifics but the overall point is that I don't have an "expense account" in the normal sense.

Third, the main way that I make money on a day to day basis is through giving speeches - typically at tech conferences, corporate events, and universities. As you can well imagine, my income for the coming here has been put entirely on hold as conferences and events of all kinds globally have been cancelled or postponed.

Fourth, I don't think it's generally true at all that admins typically shut down anything considered to be critical of me. In this particular case, there's no reason to shut anything down because as far as I know, there isn't really any substantial criticism of how I earn money. Certainly, I find it very helpful in terms of my work fundraising (for the endowment fund, for example) that I can say: I'm a volunteer, I'm not asking for money for me, but for the project.

Finally, the press loves to make a big deal out of me not being a billionaire, but I think that's rather stupid. I don't think I've made "numerous attempts to downplay my wealth" unless that means that I don't find it a particularly interesting topic. I have a lovely house outside London and I'm here with my family on lockdown. My main hobby is cooking (you could check out my Instagram for food pictures!) and I'm doing a lot of that these days. I'm not poor, and I don't make any apologies for the money that I do have. For me, though, the primary reward is not money but a very interesting life.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek also suggested Wikia in their reply above: afaik Wikia has been renamed and/or split, traded, etc. Are internet-related sources of revenue (like former Bomis etc) completely out of the picture by now? --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikia has been rebranded to Fandom, to more accurately reflect the communities there. I'm still a board member and shareholder. I don't take a salary there. The company is doing spectacularly well lately (though the current economic situation is hurting, as it is hurting everywhere) and I expect that in the future, I will make money from it in some liquidity event or another. But it isn't really how I make money right now in a day to day sense.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Fandom.com claims "over 200 million monthly uniques" which is about 22% of the English Wikipedia. According to what looks like a reasonable answer on Quora (in which you also hold stock, if I remember right) that works out to a gross income of about a billion dollars or more annually. Assuming you ended up with a typical proportion of founders stock, I agree wholeheartedly that press saying you aren't a billionaire is stupid. EllenCT (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

While that would be lovely, the numbers aren't remotely similar to that. I'm not at liberty to discuss revenue figures, but you're off by an order of magnitude. Also, remember that the company has had several rounds of major investment, and I've had a divorce, so my ownership percentage is a lot lower than what you might imagine. :) I'm very far from being a billionaire, even with optimistic speculation on the numbers. Still, I'm fine, and as I said up above, my reward is really more about having a very interesting life.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Withholding Funds from WMF until article is modified

Hi Jimbo, I was wondering if you saw this article, [3] where Edward Kosner writes that he threatened to withhold funding from the WMF until his Wiki article was changed? Because now, I tried changing the article, based on impeccable sources, and his very own Streisand effect article, but the OTRS admins are reverting me telling me that because the subject raised concerns, I can't put it in. While beforehand it may not have been notable, once he writes about it in a national magazine, that and the other impeccable source, makes it notable. That, and I also note how he tried going after Patapsco in the real world to find out who he is. All in all, many points to this story and I wonder if you have any comments on any part of it, because it was a very interesting read. Thanks. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 00:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I would question this edit [4] on WP:DUE grounds, just because the subject writes it doesn't mean we should include it. But it was an interesting article. You could add it as a WP:EL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Richard Feynman would blow his top if he was referred to as Jewish. He wasn't a fan of the Jewish religion (or any religion for that matter). Nevertheless, he was of Jewish ancestry and the Wikipedia article notes this. Who is a Jew? looks at this question. This type of debate has occurred before on Wikipedia, and has led to long running arguments on the talk page of Jeffrey Epstein. Some people were very keen to point out that Epstein was A Jew™ but this type of language runs into problems. This is an area where care is needed and it has to be notable to say that someone is Jewish.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Fairly long related discussion at WP:AN from dec-jan. It's not an easy topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Ianmacm, it wasn't included in the article until he wrote about it in a national magazine and mentioned Wikipedia and called himself a proud Jew, ala Streisand effect. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, but does WP-editors noticing the article he wrote count as Streisand effect? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I only have a general comment as I can't really speak to the specifics of this example, not knowing anything about Edward Kosner, who I believe I only ever heard of just now. In the past when I have done a quick spot check, I believe that for many prominent people (Nobel Prize winners and business people come to mind immediately) we are more likely to mention Jewish heritage than we are to mention other heritages. This is only my impression, but it should be noted that many other prominent people have commented to me that they have the same impression. I think the reasons are two-fold and contradictory. First, there may be a problem with anti-semites wanting to make sure that everyone associates people like Jeffrey Epstein and Bernie Madoff with being Jewish. Second, there may be a problem with pro-Jewish people feeling a certain amount of pride in Nobel Prize winners or successful people generally and wanting to include their Jewishness. Neither of those is good, although obviously the former is more problematic from a BLP point of view.

There is also a further complication in that Jewishness is both an ethnic identity and a religion in a way that, say, Roman Catholicism isn't. I full agree with ianmacm up above: "This is an area where care is needed and it has to be notable to say that someone is Jewish."

What I'd love to see is some (casual, doesn't have to be super formal, but should follow a reasonable methodology) basic research into the question: are we more likely to over-emphasize Jewishness than other religions/ethnicities?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales, some good points, but my comments were specific to this example. In this case, even with impeccable sourcing, the religion was not included because the subject did not want it on his page. He then wrote about it in a national magazine, where he said he threatened to withhold WMF funding unless it was removed. He also said that he was a proud Jew. And he also said, he investigated one of the editors of his article and tried to find out the identity of that person. I was more interested in the WMF/withholding funds and threatening editors aspects. I know once he writes about his religion and that he's a proud Jew, he tripped the Streisand effect and ironically it's now notable for inclusion. I was though wondering if while OTRS was deleting all these tags, should they also have mentioned that the WMF was threatened with funds withholding (even if it would never happen or if it was minor), and I was also wondering if you've ever seen or dealt with someone threatening an editor of an article, as Kosner did. Since people might now be a bit more hesitant to edit BLP's if powerful people can track them down. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I very much don't agree with you. WP:NAVEL almost certainly applies here. This absolutely does not rise to the level that makes the fact relevant to his biography. Remember, we are writing a biography of him which means that it should contain the most important facts about him. If anything, he's established in a RS that being Jewish is not an important fact about him. The bit about withholding funds - I think you putting it that way is plainly ridiculous. He says that he answered a fund raising email saying that he'd be more inclined to give if he saw a better way to solve what he regarded (quite rightly) as a BLP issue. That hardly amounts to a "threat to withhold funds". Such an approach makes me feel inclined to review your edit history - others are likely to - just to be sure you aren't some kind of POV pusher on this topic.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll just leave this here. ‑ Iridescent 14:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Iridescent, thanks for highlighting this. It shows the discrepancies in blocking. After all, my last block was for telling someone, on my own page, that I don't want to engage with them anymore and I want them to stop talking to me. Swarm then came and decided that was disruptive and not only reset my prior block, he took away talk page access. But hey, I'm sure you had a point in bringing my block log, or was it to show all the Coffee blocks? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales, I haven't edited his article until a week or so ago. As for the threat, I suggest you read his article. He emailed the WMF and told them he won't donate until his article is fixed. He then went on a hunt to find out who Patapsco is. Again, I didn't touch his article until after he wrote about this episode in Commentary magazine, so I'm not sure how you get calling me a POV pusher. You might also want to read the AN thread linked above. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

On the general point that Jimmy has discussed, I've been more active than most admins in working with editors who insist on highlighting Jewish ethnicity/religion as, or in place of nationality. As Jimmy notes, this takes two forms. Some editors want to mention Jewish affiliation as an expression of pride in accomplishments. Others follow a watered-down version of the anti-Semitic triple parentheses or echo meme, to tag individual in an expression of otherness. This has been an increasing problem, and it was seen prominently with single-issue editors with Jeffrey Epstein. There is general consensus on how this should be handled in the lead paragraph, but not so much elsewhere. We don't for instance, highlight that someone's a Presbyterian or descended from Presbyterians unless they are clergy or religious scholars. Acroterion (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I would definitely agree there is a trend for some editors to be vested in going to what lengths they can to identify those of the Jewish faith (not those of Jewish decent), more as because they are proud of the Jewish faith and want those that are also Jewish to be known, but this can led to poor sources or inference (such as mixing up faith vs decent); plenty of AN and related discussions on this. It goes back to the fact that for any single BLP, the BLP's religion (not just Jewish) should be something that is sourced to a self-statement made in a interview w/ a reliable source, or from a self-published work, so that there is no question of the BLP's intent of there religious stance. This was not the case with the sources that were in Kosner's original article, it appears, so the OTRS pull was appropriate. Ideally, unless someone's religion is centeral to their line of work, we as editors should not be trying to chase it down if it is not clear from top-level skimming of sources. --Masem (t) 14:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: Correction: it was the case that Kosner self-identified, even originally. It's in his autobiography (he spends pages talking about his Jewish identity and upbringing). The autobiography wasn't cited in-line to the "Jewish" statement, but it was always cited in our article.

The sources supporting "Jewish", which are on the article talk page, include the New York Times, Wall St Journal, his own autobiography, three books about prominent Jews which include him. Now, we also have his own piece in Commentary (the one that prompted this thread).

To me, this isn't at all about Jewish identity–there's way more than enough sourcing to establish that this is reliable and due. This controversy is, instead, about a BLP subject emailing OTRS and saying they won't donate until their biography is changed, and then OTRS members changing the biography, and asserting to other editors that they can't change it back because it's an OTRS thing, and then the BLP subject writing an op-ed to brag about it.. This is corruption of our processes. Jimbo, I think you should say publicly that no, articles won't be changed just because the article subject emails us and threatens to withhold donations. Kosner wrote in the piece that this is what happened, and that this approach is the "key" to getting one's article changed. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

But to go to Jimbo's point above: how essential is his Jewish heritage to his career today? I mean, in general for BLPs, there's details that I feel we don't need to rush to include, like faith, unless they are a core element of the person's notability or importance. I don't see that with Kosner here with the rest of what's documented in his article. The latter issue of using WMF/OTRS to force a chance to remove content they may not like but can't be document, however, is a separate and disconcerting manner, one that, when brought up at BLP/N outside OTRS, we generally do not remove if the proper sourcing is there. (That is: If Kosner brought up that he didn't really want his Jewish background to be on his wiki page as a discussion on the talk page, and consensus agreed it wasn't needed as not being DUE to his notability/importance, this could have been solved easily.)--Masem (t) 17:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be "essential" to be included, it has to be "significant", per RS. When the NYT or WSJ writes a 500 word blurb about him, "Jewish" is one of those words. Three books about "prominent Jews in the media" list him. His own autobiography spends 10+ pages – so maybe 3-5% of the total or so – on his Jewish upbringing. Every RS agrees this is significant enough to include. Why should we exclude it?

In any event, whether it's WP:DUE is a classic content issue, and reasonable people can disagree about that, for sure. It should be handled with talk page discussion and consensus, and an RFC if necessary. (The discussion is ongoing on the talk page.) Personally, I don't think he's notable enough for a stand-alone article at all, and I don't have super strong feelings about DUE, but I do think it's covered enough by RSes that we should cover it, too, so I support inclusion.

The OTRS bit, yes, is the more disconcerting part.

The other part that really bothered me was where he accused one of our editors (with damn near 100k edits) of being a stealth anti-Semite, and then published an OTRS email in which the OTRS member appears to confirm that and to state that the editor's contributions were being reviewed as a result. I find that to be defamatory, and I think someone on behalf of Wikipedia/OTRS should say "no, there was no consensus or finding that this editor was acting in anything other than good faith", or some such. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

The basic gist of Kosner's article is that there was a Jew-tagging anti-Semite running around Wikipedia and nobody noticed or cared despite Kosner and his son's prior efforts (which consist, BTW, of one reversion one time from an IP with no edit summary), until Kosner threatened to withhold donations (or, if you prefer, told us he'd be "more inclined" to donate if we address his issue), at which point the Jew-tagger was caught and stopped by OTRS. This narrative is bunk and ought to be straightened out in the media. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi, Jimbo

Glad to see you return active recently! Where have you been?

Anyway, I would like to politely invite you to give some of your attention to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine.

All the best!

--Let's work in tandem (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Ukrainian Wikimedia's chapter is going to fill all Wikipedias with Ukrainian government's point of view

Hello, Jimbo. What do you think about it: MFA Launches Mega Campaign To Saturate Wikipedia With Unbiased Information On Ukraine and the World? Раммон (talk) 18:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)