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Bluebird Movement

Since the Chinese-language Wiki has made the move, and there are increasingly English-language sources using the term, I wanted to gauge others’ opinion on moving the page here to Bluebird Movement. We could wait a few weeks if it is premature at this point. Butterdiplomat (talk) 19:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About that word Bluebird/青鳥, I seen only one international media The Diplomat, (NewsNow is just a news aggregator), the rest are mostly Taiwan-based or Mandarin/Taiwanese language media...New Bloom Magazine, The News Lens, Taiwan News, Formosa Television, Taiwan Television, SET News, Chinese Television System, TVBS, etc...at least according to a google search...though google sometimes do have bias for their own commerical interests (Wikipedia:Search engine test#Search engine tests and Wikipedia policies).

To me, I would find too early to initiate Template:Requested move myself.

--- Cat12zu3 (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, thanks. Think it is a bit too early too now, and FWIW the Chinese-language articles have also been moved around / reshuffled as events develop. Will wait and see if coverage evolves. Butterdiplomat (talk) 11:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 June 2024

It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Taiwanese constitutional controversy be renamed and moved to Bluebird Movement.

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2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protests → Bluebird Movement – According to reliable sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Txkk (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - as per WP:CRITERIA, have "reliable English-language sources" termed it to be Bluebird Movement since the previous Talk page discussion on 4 June?

The Taiwan Plus and News Lens articles were published before the previous discussion - they're Taiwan-based and not international media. I'd say The New Bloom article is not from a "well-established outlet" as per WP:NEWSORG, the site describes itself as explicitly leftist and the articles are written by anonymous/unsigned authors. The Morningstar article is a reprint of a press release from a Taiwanese activist organization rather than a news article from Morningstar. Only the CNA article is a new, more international source.

Articles from the AP, Al Jazeera, and Reuters all do not mention "Bluebird Movement". I would agree with Cat12zu3 and say it's a bit early to move the article. We have the redirect, which suffices at the moment. Artwhitemaster (talk) 01:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFA. --Txkk (talk) 13:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for English language, as of now I would find too early to initiate Requested move myself. Search engine searching for keyword Bluebird/青鳥/青鸟 find/found only 2 outside of Taiwan or outside of Mandarin/Taiwanese/Hakka/Cantonese language media, international media The Diplomat & Policy research institution USIP.

(That English RFA authors' are RFA Cantonese & RFA Mandarin so they are counted in same group as with BBC Chinese Standard Mandarin & BBC Cantonese)

Sunflower Student Movement took some time for Sunflower word to catch up...
Hopefully other international media would adopt Bluebird in due course...
There's Bluebird Movement pointing to this article...
...so at this moment I would wait. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Central European Institute of Asian Studies, Global Taiwan Institute. --Txkk (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PRIMARYTOPICS & WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY - unfortunately at this time, so far only new was CEIAS. I still only saw 1 international media/magazine & now 2 (previously 1) Research institutes based outside of Taiwan or non-Taiwanese institutes CEIAS & Usip --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 10:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Not common enough. The "Bluebird Movement" is a nickname rather than a phrase as "legislative reform protests" which fits common usage of description by media even more at this point. —— Eric Liu_（Talk） 06:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]