Talk:List of Conservative members of the Scottish Parliament

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Requested move 21 July 2023

The request to rename this article to List of Conservative members of the Scottish Parliament has been carried out.

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– Conforms to MOS:JOBTITLES and MOS:CAPS. "Members" should be considered a common noun, as it is in similar articles such as:

List of female members of the Scottish Parliament
List of former members of the United States House of Representatives
List of current members of the United States House of Representatives
List of members of the European Parliament (2019–2024)
List of members of the 16th Bundestag, among numerous others. Woko Sapien (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Rreagan007 (talk) 23:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom --GnocchiFan (talk) 00:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all "Members of the Scottish Parliament" is a proper noun. [1] WPscatter ^t/_c 01:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Member of the Scottish Parliament (MSP) is a proper noun, unlike "member of the United States House of Representatives", where "member" is a common noun in context but "House of Representatives" is capitalized as a proper noun in context. Station1 (talk) 06:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support: Here, "members" is plural. MOS:JOBTITLE says to capitalize only when the title "is not plural". The plural form should be lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES, the RM at Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 13#Requested move 27 July 2019 and others such as Talk:List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II#Requested move 12 October 2017, List of presidents of Austria, List of mayors of Birmingham, List of lord mayors of London, List of mayors of Leeds, List of mayors of Cambridge, List of provosts of Aberdeen, List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II, List of chairmen of the House Republican Conference, List of governors of New York, List of lieutenant governors of Michigan, and List of chancellors of Germany. All of those were RMs, and most of them were multi-article RMs. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate Proposal

These titles are more WP:CONCISE, most already exist as redirects and avoid JOBTITLES and CAPS problems. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most readers probably would not understand what MSP means in those titles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We have to think about all potential readers. A Scottish or British person would most likely know what an MSP is. The same cannot be said for someone from Korea or Egypt. Keivan.f^Talk 23:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The alternative could instead start with "List of Scottish", since it's the Scottish Conservatives, Scottish Labour, Scottish Liberal Democrats, etc. Only List of Scottish independent MSPs would be a little odd. (Note that for Westminter, the lists seem to use "United Kingdom MPs".) It could almost be "List of _____s in the Scottish Parliament" (Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Greens), except that doesn't work for SNP or Labour. SilverLocust 💬 21:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I don't much like MOS:JOBTITLE, but that's the style. (Note that capitalization does not actually make MSP(s) a proper noun, contra the opposes, just a common noun that is frequently capitalized even when it is not used at the end of someone's name.) SilverLocust 💬 22:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per MOS:JOBTITLES. This is the rule; those who don't like the outcome should look to change the rule. BD2412 T 23:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]