El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circularhere). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:
And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:
Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:
You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Romania
And all I got was this... Whoa!
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD.El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda's corner
Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best!El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda*El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking.El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes*El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}
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at the top, and
[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]
at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Prayer for Ukraine
I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.
O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done and Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, 26→62? Exclaim thyself! El_C 09:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
coincidence. 26 was at our church, 62 in the Tenebrae readings for last Saturday, - not working today, still Easter, biking and opera, haven't seen pics yet, but it was just beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Easter(n)! El_C 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very cool. Definitely deserving of Iced Cream.El_C 13:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So many concerts! You're really making up for lost tyme. I hope all the members of the Kyiv Orchestra are alive and well. El_C 13:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
{{YouTube|I learn spamthing new!}} El_C 21:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
July AWOL
Sorry, everyone, I'll be unavailable for the next little while, but hope to be back by the end of the month at the latest. Much love! El_C 14:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dear El_C, have a nice and well-deserved break! :) Cukrakalnis (talk) 14:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Vandalism
This person has been vandalised and duplication of page. Bonthefox3 (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today: violin solo and you can listen - As for the Wisser birthday further up, I was invited (not the day but a friends' event) but couldn't go due to the COVID revovery. - When you have time: Psalm 40 please. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no. Sorry to hear that, I hope you're doing okay. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. I've heard that already, it looks like (from the link being purple rather than blue), but I don't remember the context. I was gonna do 40 now, but it's long, so, soon'ish. El_C 14:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm feeling fine again, first day! - One of my recurring wishes: Peter Brooks finally appeared on the Main page, 4 (!) days after he died. I'd like credit - it was the hardest of the year, and begged there already, but ... - Two composers used Psalm 40 in their choral symphonies, I didn't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Credit. Glad to hear you're feeling better! I sort of jinxed myself yesterday with that It's Tuesday! Let's make it a laid-back one. Good one, me. Not a moment of respite since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And will be busy for the next little while. Der Mensch Tracht, Un Gott Lacht, you know it glows! El_C 18:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have the complete program and a review. The program was called Salmo! - sadly not in Wiesbaden, - perhaps they thought we'd not understand it means psalm! which means sing!. I had noticed that they sang Psalms 150, 100, 84 and 149 (+ another line from 150). The review image shows the conductor even happier, imagine. It's detailed and all praise but sadly not going beyond Mendelssohn, while we found the late works especially impressive, - listen to the 2009 Locus iste by (Welsh) Mealor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also: I have an article on WP:ITNN: Alfred Koerppen, died 5 July, no longer recent. Could you perhaps support as two others did? Or even think that's ready enough to post? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today: birthday music for a friend, after hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral with flowers on a bench and a Rilke poem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm back! What did I miss? (Please say stuff.) El_C 14:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I met psalms, Psalm 107 next (too long?), and Psalm 40 still waiting I believe. - Lugnuts was banned - I didn't follow arbitration. - Martinevans is blocked for copyvio. - 2 giants missing. - See pics of highs and lows if you click on songs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's terrible. Grimes2 (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Damn. Personally, I just want (to get?) high! Erm: aiming for end of the week for the psalms. El_C 18:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want high, follow the link but don't look beyond 25 Jul. Thank you for psalms hope. - Copyvio happens so easily: I transferred a translation of text from source to the article, worked on it some in edit mode, but missed deleting the rest (at the end). What do you think: should the (4 more) versions that still have it get ref-del, to be "safe"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, any potential WP:COPYVIO should be WP:REVDEL'd (btw, it's revision not reference deletion). Feel free to link the diffs of the potential copyvios and I'll make em go (away). El_C 15:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon? I linked the diff, and said it's the four revisions (well, I said versions) following. I feel sorry for the person who tried to repair a sentence from the stuff that should never have been there. That edit made me aware. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, unexpectedly tied up with something. Hopefully, for not more than a few days. These psalms will be my 1st priority once I'm back, though. El_C 15:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Psalm 106 with priority (over 40 and 107) because it will be mentioned in a DYK hook, but it's not yet approved so will take about a week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Recently started Malice by John Gwynne, neither of which have an article. Popped up as a suggested book on Audible, and it was over 20 hours long so I figured I'd give it a whirl. Pretty tropey so far, but I've read worse. Can you imagine, there's a young boy who excels at fighting who is more than he seems? And there are two gods, one good and one bad who are going to have a war? Extra points for the ol' fantasy standby of "inventing the shield wall." Also gotta do rabbits tomorrow, and do some repair and maintenance on their cages after I get all the babies taken care of. Unfortunately it's supposed to be around 97f tomorrow (that's 36 in eurotherms). No work is fun when it's that hot. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and my wife picked up The Quarry, so we'll probably be playing that this weekend. We were big fans of Until Dawn and the smaller games they've done have been ok, so I have high hopes for this one. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, but what about petting Kitty?John Gwynne (author) (red link atm, looks like both it and its draft were deleted on May 2021) sounds familiar, but I'm unable place him. Only 600 pages into The Eyes of God, with 200 remaining. Taking me such a long time to finish; just been too busy, but also, though it's good, it just isn't a page turner like The Jackal of Nar. I don't know if I'll keep going with that trilogy. Thinking of getting Tailchaser's Song, actually, because... BTW, DYK that Monarchies of God's Richard Hawkwood isn't the same person as The Wheel of Time's Artur Hawkwing? Yet they both end up discovering Ameriqua? You've heard it here fifth! Also, I praise you for providing AC to all the bunnies! El_C 14:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Finished up the first book in that series. It's firmly ok. Can you imagine though, tragedy struck and the boy who excelled at fighting's home was destroyed, and yes, he is more than he seems. In fact, totally unexpectedly, he's the CHOSEN ONE.
Things that bother me in fantasy novels:
Firing a bow. A bow is shot, or an arrow is loosed. The term firing didn't appear until firearms.
Chainmail. It's mail, even though our article has the wrong name, but points that out in the opening sentence.
Not hobbling your horses at night.
Also, although I do not provide air conditioning for the rabbits, they do get frozen water bottles to lay on when it's hot, so I am trying to keep them comfortable. Should finish up The Quarry this weekend. Pretty good so far, and Ted Raimi is a standout. Not sure if it's better than Until Dawn yet. We'll see how it sticks the landing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, sorry, I missed your latest reply. In Hebrew "firing" (firearm, bow, etc.) comes from the root word of (first) rain (somehow), so no issues there! Finally (finally) finished Eyes of God and now reading Kristen Britain's Green Rider (she's the CHOSEN ONE?), which I am liking so far, though it's still early days. El_C 11:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another silly fantasy book thing, people and animals fighting to they're all dead. Animals pretty much never fight to the death, and people generally break and flee with fairly small losses. They almost never continue fighting once they've realized victory is unlikely.
The Quarry didn't stick the landing. Ended up with two of the playable characters dead, one we didn't see die, so not sure how that happened, and one was a live or die decision we chose wrong. The epilogue was pretty lackluster and didn't give much closure. Still a decent game though, but not as good as Until Dawn. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Padlock Barnstar
The Padlock Barnstar
It's always felt like you're one of the most active admin at page protection and Xtools just confirmed it for me. Thank you for everything that you do. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks man, appreciate it. Almost at 10K protections! El_C 15:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Good to be back. In answer to your question: I did and didn't see it. I was just clicking on the pings to make the distracting red go away without really looking at any of em (because ++responsible). But now I'm remembering that ToBeFree had a similar thingy (see above, *bumped*). You think that after Wikipedia:Arbitration_enforcement_log/2021#Motorsports I'd have learned that some minor Arbitration cases will be listed at AEL, but without DS being authorized
I presume it's just successive committees wanting to fuck with me, personally (as always, it's all about me). Funny, though, I'm the most active AE admin on the project and even I get lost in the labrynth. Anyway, I ramble, but my point is: go ahead, do whatever needs to be done to get the WP:BURO to align. It's really all the same to me. P.S. I didn't even remember who Bridget Phillipson is and had to look her up. Cheers! El_C 15:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello El C, I am a user that you might be familiar from a year ago, you took my extended confirmed rights because I played with the system (WP:GAME). As far as I remember you told me that I have to reach WP:500-30 again (I have searched for the comment, but I couldn't find) and I believe that more than a year passed from that. my data shows that I reached 500 edits on past 365 days.
Additionally, irrelevant to the rights topic, I just noticed that I had unawareness of the rules and didn't know how to represent informations with reliable sources on supporting the development of encyclopedia. Since you were an administrator who paid attention to me, I wanted to inform you about that my awareness increased since back then.
Hey. Sorry, no, I don't remember. Glad to hear you're doing better, though. Feel free to request for the user right to be reinstated at WP:PERM/EC. I have no immediate objections. Good luck! El_C 20:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you a lot for your feedback and positive thoughts about me!
Hello El_C, sorry to bother you again. I was just wondering, why is my case on ANI not being interested by Administrators? I mean, is there anything I could do about it? BerkBerk68 21:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea, I haven't read it. El_C 11:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm clicking, but nothing's happening! It's almost like you posted those ranges in plain text. But I know you wouldn't do that. Must be a glitch in the metric. El_C 14:34, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You may know the person from GrapheneOS, CopperheadOS article. A admin notice has been filed against him which you may(or may not) like to comment on. [5]Greatder (talk) 16:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for notice, Greatder. I won't be around for the next few days, but I'll add a brief note. El_C 17:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Elc, you protected Military branch for a month due to persistent disruptive editing. The protection expired yesterday, and the disruption resumed today. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 20:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Semi-protected for a period of 3 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Best, El_C 10:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm opposed. I don't think we need an editor who describe themselves as a "Turkish nationalist," and who is likely to contribute to Armenian genocide denial and otherwise whitewashing it — a crucial facet which has not been meaningfully addressed (which is to say, at all). What, they're gonna do it with greater subtlety? No thanks. El_C 10:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You had previously yanked tpa from Djm-leighpark (thank you for saving us from all the drivel) but he's now appealing on an alt, I think? I'm not even sure you can call it an appeal but you might get a kick out of reading this utter nonsense, and I quote: Anyway I am somewhat minded commons is a somewhat risky thing and wonder if that is a valid reason for an unblock? If I said I was planning to do smoking on Friday because of this it would likely be seen as a threat, so I won't. WP:CIR .... Djm-mobile (talk) 5:14 pm, 9 August 2022, last Tuesday (2 days ago) (UTC−4)PRAXIDICAE🌈 01:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
She was afraid of it for months, until I pushed her into it twice, then she realized it's actually pretty good. My other dog still believes it's full of acid and she can't go in, but she'll still drink from it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
dog three dogs ago was some sort of bird dog. swam like a fish.
two dogs ago, tried not to step in the creek while crossing it with delicate cat-like steps.
last dog and this dog, pit bulls, love the water, but swam/swim like stones -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's odd because both dogs eagerly leap into wild water, but the little kiddie pool scares them. When I take Thelma out hunting she'll crash through ponds and rivers looking for birds, or dive to the bottom to get a stick to carry around, but when I was trying to push her into the pool she was acting like it was full of lava. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
El C, לילך5 is now hounding me and editing seemingly to purposely antagonize me. All but two of their edits today are in opposition to me, and several of them are pointy BS like changing the header here, and editing against an established months-long explicit talk page consensus. Just look at their edits from today, all except Olivia Newton John directly opposed to me. How is this acceptable? I cant make a simple complaint without a horde of 500+30 edit accounts spouting bullshit, so what do you suggest I do? nableezy - 12:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And then look at this comment and tell me how that is related to the article? I think this has crossed the line in to harassment. nableezy - 12:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you expect me to tell you that I haven't before, Nableezy. Per usual, I'd recommend you go to WP:AE over AN/ANI (even if drafting reports at the latter venues is easier to do than in the former), but per usual, you'll probably just go to AN/ANI, anyway (as is the case now). Which is your prerogative, but let's not pretend. As for me, I found out in the last ARBPIA AE, what happens when you sanction an editor of the 'wrong' side, or ostensibly, just mention the word sides, even if with the most careful qualifications (credibly, though you were around, not by you).
So I've scaled back on ARBPIA considerably and of the mindset of largely leaving topic area regulars and irregulars to their own devices. I also pretty much wrote off Zero0000 (ping for transparency, but not really interested in getting into it) after many years. But whatever, it is what it is. It's not like there's a shortage of work and requests for me in other areas (DS and not), so why would I want to subject myself to that again? No thanks.
I, however, would recommend for you not rely on tools for hounding claims (if at all, use very sparingly), and rather, use normal diffs/summaries evidence format. Those tools are limited in scope and usefulness, and I and other admin usually do not act on evidence that primarily centers on these. Anyway, the way she's been editing at ARBPIA, she'll probably be indeffed or TBAN'd eventually (and probably sooner rather than later). HTH. El_C 13:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, do you think it worth an email to Trust and Safety? The latest comments by לילך5 go way beyond what somebody should have to put up with to edit here. nableezy - 13:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't think it really rises to the level of T&S, whom I sort of doubt would do anything in this instance (because... ARBPIA). So you'll be going for off-project enforcement with probably little to show for it. But who knows. Certainly, that's an option that's available to you, and counter to what some might say, a legit one. Again, though, ultimately, I just don't think it'll go anywhere. El_C 13:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thank you for your time and answers. nableezy - 13:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, sorry I couldn't be of more help. The thing about using T&S, is that the reputation of the Foundation got seriously eroded after WP:FRAM, and now with the weirdness of WP:UCOC ("Enforcement officers," etc.) even more so. So, spare for an WP:EMERGENCY outright, you might get folks unhappy merely for having contacted them. Personally, I think WP:FRAM was a travesty and WP:UCOC is just plain bizarre, but I'm still using T&S like I always have (granted, as an admin), which again, I think is totally legit to do. And the staff I deal with there remain as professional and expedient as always, so credit where credit's due. El_C 13:32, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I largely agree, Id like to utilize on-en.wp procedures. But the reason I went to AN/I is that it didnt seem like the hounding was an arbitration enforcement issue. ARBPIA adjacent, but not quite ARBPIA. But I will take future hounding incidents that touch on ARBPIA to AE in the future, but I still do not get why ANI allows for the level of crap that it does. That Wikieditor thread devolved once Icewhiz brought two socks to argue against me and then propose a ban. Its like anything I raise is immediately inundated with that level of participation. I dont even get a response saying "no its not hounding, deal with it" if thats what an uninvolved admin feels it is, it just gets overwhelmed with people who are looking for any excuse to fuck with me. nableezy - 13:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've said this many times: it's the format that's largely the problem, because no-word limit + free-flowing threaded discussions get long and convoluted, so I suspect a lot uninvolved AN/ANI reviewers probably just write these off when they see that the underlying content is ARBPIA. Which is not adjacent in this case, it's plain ARBPIA (only). As I elude to above, admins also get fucked with. So, some, like myself, just don't wanna go through that anymore (myself for the reasons noted). El_C 13:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
El_C, since you were kind enough to ping me: my opinion, which I still hold, was that you were trying to cancel an highly productive editor for an offence that wasn't serious enough. It gave me no pleasure and lots of pain to oppose you but I felt like I had no choice. I apologise for the manner in which I addressed you, but not for the position I took. Zerotalk 14:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the manner in which you expressed yourself was what made it extremely challenging to discuss positions or anything else. It also felt like you were being obtuse as well as unresponsive to my repeated points, so it wasn't just tone and tenor. It felt like straight misrepresentation. But the end doesn't justify such means, in my view, regardless of how noble one views their 'position.' I also don't like that you're using the word cancel right now. But it's whatever, you weren't the only one, just one whom I've known and been collegial with for many years. As I said, I've no shortage of other requests, so it is what it is. El_C 14:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice! Anomalous Hedges!El_C 14:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If a quote I don't know of what, if a description I don't know of what, - sorry. In the process of updating to today, but I see you active and - you guess right - have an overdue RD on WP:ITNN, marked ready yesterday: sempé. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, what? Also, I don't see anything marked ready, so you'll have to link directly. El_C 18:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, the instrumental? It was inspired by the Sunflower image, which wasn't large enough (fixed!). El_C 18:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
there was only one sempé - look for that, or my name, or take the ready mark - sorry, outing was long, updating pics took time, I thought it was easy enough to find ... - will listen, missed a link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize sempé was a person, I thought it was an obscure greeting or something. It wouldn't be something I'd pick up on, though, unless written it in uppercase—I just don't think of last names in lowercase. El_C 20:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. It might have been ready, but it wasn't (Ready), which was what I ctrl.F'd. El_C 20:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, and understand, - for me, it's just such a recognisable signature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know who is and seen his cartoons, but mostly in in Hebrew, so it just didn't connect. El_C 00:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, - would his signature (in the infobox) be translated? - Psalm 136 - I started expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fear to expand lead section
El_C, I'm worried about expanding the lead section in the article about the Russian Empire, and I'm still not confident in myself.
This is a version of the expanded lead section of that article. ---> Click here
-- Phaisit16207 (talk) 12:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, I'd advise for you to link it and provide a summary of the changes/additions on the article talk page to see what other folks think of these. Perhaps collaboration can improve it. After you post on the talk page, you can then link that talk page post in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Assessment to advertise it even more to interested editors. In the event that no one comments at all in, say, a week, then you'd basically have a WP:CONSENSUS of WP:SILENCE to apply the edits to the article. And while it's the lowest kind of consensus, as it evaporates as soon as a good faith objection is made (within reason), it's still more than just being WP:BOLD and affecting the changes right away. Which you say don't want to do, anyway, and for which I commend you. As in that scenario, you're placed in the enviable position where you know that you did everything you could to bring people in. A good place to be. G'luck! El_C 14:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The conclusion is to be bold, but I need to discuss it on the talk page first, right? -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, no, the conclusion is the opposite. The conclusion is not to be bold, but rather, to be cautious by following the steps I outline above. El_C 14:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
El_C, I'm sorry for bothering you, but I want to ask you to help me organize this reference from the original into a Cite-encyclopedia. Thanks.
Северная война 1700–21 // Румыния — Сен-Жан-де-Люз [Электронный ресурс]. — 2015. — С. 617—620. — (Большая российская энциклопедия : [в 35 т.] / гл. ред. Ю. С. Осипов ; 2004—2017, т. 29). — ISBN 978-5-85270-366-8.
Phaisit16207, don't worry, you're not bothering me. In answer to your question: I'm not familiar with these style guides cite templates, nor do I regularly use them. If someone wants to streamline my citations later, they're free to do so. But when I cite from Hebrew sources, I almost never bother also copying the Hebrew text, I just translate everything to English. It'd be too inaccessible otherwise. So you should not be displaying un-translated Cyrillic in citations, or anywhere, really.
You could add the Cyrillic in parenthesis, or whatever, that'd be fine. But, as it stands, I can't even tell what I'm looking at with these. After everything is translated into English, the rest is just fine-tuning. Anyway, more broadly, the point is not to get bogged down too much in technical and procedural areas like the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (overall), but rather, just make the content itself accessible, for the English Wikipedia. Personally, I mostly use The Chicago Manual of Style, but more out of habit than anything. Again, I never thought that part of it really mattered. HTH. El_C 17:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is translated version.
The Great Northern War 1700–21 // Romania to Saint-Jean-de-Luz [Electronic resource]. — 2015. — p. 617—620. — (Great Russian Encyclopedia : [in 35 volumes] / Yuri Osipov ed. ; 2004—2017, vol. 29). — ISBN 978-5-85270-366-8. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks okay'ish. I mean, I personally don't use slashes (//) or ndashes (–), unless they're part of the source material. Also, periods are interspersed throughout in a way that, at times, seems redundant. But again, who cares. El_C 17:36, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
like this?
Osipov, Yuriy, ed. (2015) [2004-2017]. "The Great Northern War 1700–21". Great Russian Encyclopedia. Romania to Saint-Jean-de-Luz [Electronic resource] (in Russian). Vol.29. pp.617–20.
Yeah, better. I'd also link and italicize the Great Russian Encyclopedia, but otherwise, looks good. El_C 17:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But I want to compare your organization of this citation. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Osipov, Yuriy. (ed., 2004-2017). "The Great Northern War 1700–21," in the Great Russian Encyclopedia, vol. 29, Romania to Saint-Jean-de-Luz [Electronic resource] (in Russian), 2015, pp. 617–20. ISBN978-5-85270-366-8. El_C 18:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you use Template:cite ...? -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, I mean, you could (tehcnically), but I'm afraid I can't help you with the content end of things. Again, if you want to advertise your changes in a neutral way on the talk page and Wikiproject to seek input from intrested editors, that would be good. Good luck. El_C 17:52, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I put it in section intallity and waited for someone to editting it freely, but you should stop edit warring. ok? -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, I'm not edit warring. I'm not editing that page at all. And what is intallity? El_C 16:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First - I want to type initially. But I mispelled.
Second - the word stop, I meaning you to stop another users, which are fit in edit warring. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay... Anyway, sorry, Phaisit16207, I don't want to do this anymore. I feel like you're taking me for granted. Not bothering to spell check, not bothering to cite pertinent WP:DIFFs. I'm not gonna do that work for you by guesswork or whatever. Please seek assistance elsewhere moving forward. I think I've done more than enough. Thanks. El_C 16:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, But other matters [i.e., arbcom, I want to need help, more protection time request, etc.] besides this matter [about expandion] are often discussed. OK? Phaisit16207 (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, sorry, no, not okay. I'd rather you use a pertinent noticeboard or the {{adminhelp}} feature. I have no idea why your writing has become so incoherent, but I'm finding it too hard to understand you. I can't spare the extra time figuring out what you're trying to say (broken English), or what edits are are involved (diffs). There's plenty of users who need my help and who also write clearly and provide evidence unprompted, so I'd rather help them, because I'm trying to ration my time wisely. Hope that makes sense. Again, good luck. El_C 17:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article should probably have the notation that it is under arbcom Eastern Europe sanctions. Not sure exactly what is the process for that. Adoring nanny (talk) 21:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Adoring nanny, if you see any page protected under AE, feel free to add the corresponding notice from Template:Ds/talk_notice#Decision_codes to the talk page if it isn't there already. In this case, it's: {{Ds/talk notice|topic=e-e}}. HTH. El_C 22:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
El_C 14:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme 💬 📧 12:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
BTW, DYK that Monarchies of God's Richard Hawkwood isn't the same person as The Wheel of Time's Artur Hawkwing? Yet they both end up discovering Ameriqua? You've heard it here fifth! Also, I praise you for providing AC to all the bunnies! El_C 14:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Self-trout. Anyway...
Semi-protected for a period of 3 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Best, El_C 10:33, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Atomic service dog! 🏄 El_C 02:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
You son of a bitch, you killed my service dog! 
→ Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
