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    Requested move 2 July 2021

    The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → ? – With new events such as the stab of a police officer in 2021 that are likely to be connected with the protests, I think we should consider renaming the article to something like 2019-2021 Hong Kong protests, or even Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill movement as in some other language versions of Wikipedia. It's true that there is no longer large-scale protests, but the movement, however, is still there. For example, there was a protest on 1 July. Eight96Four (talk) 06:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC) Eight96Four (talk) 06:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Since the last RM is in April. I think this article need a moratorium on RM. Matthew hk (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose. Per WP:CRYSTAL, we cannot make any change (let alone one with such broad implications for the framing of the content of an article as would be involved with changing a namespace), based upon speculation about how we believe sources are likely treat new facts. In fact, in this case, it would not only be premature, but would include elements of WP:Original research to judge the more recent events as best described as a continuation of an existing social movement/phenomena. Mind you, if the bulk of sources treating more recent actions/demonstrations do end up contextualizing them as part of the same protests, we would of course follow suit, per WP:WEIGHT/WP:NPOV. But at present, that does not seem to be the case--or if it is, said sources have not been presented here in a compelling fashion, as required by WP:ONUS. Until such a shift has taken place in the sources, and that shift adequately summarized/attested to here, a move would be premature and inappropriate. Snow let's rap 01:15, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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    Moratorium on move requests for "2019–2020 Hong Kong protests"

    This proposed moratorium would require consensus to enact, and no such consensus exists.—S Marshall T/C 12:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    I am starting this discussion to propose a moratorium on move requests for "2019–2020 Hong Kong protests", since the last move request took place in April 2021. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Oppose.(Summoned by bot) This project's policies and community consensus generally align against this kind of prior restraint; consensus can change, and neither discussion nor vital editorial processes should be short-circuited by an a priori/begging the question determination that future sourcing (or even a new editorial consensus on existing sourcing) might arrive at the conclusion that a different approach to the current content is in order. Furthermore, even if there is occasionally an article for which repetitious application of a process becomes tendentious enough for us to consider applying WP:IAR and adopting a moratorium on discussion of some core editorial aspect of an article, this is definitely not one of those cases: a RM request once every few months is hardly the kind of especially arduous and taxing circumstances that would justify such an exceptional abrogation of our standard principles. There are indeed cases of articles that receive such requests every few weeks--or even days, under some short term circumstances--and we typically don't apply moratoriums on such requests even in those cases--let alone circumstances where the extent of the editorial burden is a short discussion every four months. Mind you, I find myself in agreement with the OPs !vote in the most recent RM discussion. But a moratorium under these facts would be overkill in the extreme and seems to suggest an inappropriate level of opposition to the voicing of contravening views, if I am to be blunt. Snow let's rap 00:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    The protest are still going on.

    The protest are still happening and for the same reasons plus more under CCP China. A correction on the title and some limelight towards their struggle would be nice 2601:100:C100:3540:650A:BC2C:A34E:8CE (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you have any source? Citobun (talk) 22:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say 2021 Hong Kong protest or even History of Hong Kong (2020-) may be better article title to cover the post National Security Law Hong Kong. Just one thing i am pretty sure mass scale protest does not exist in Hong Kong now. You want to reflect the real world , create wiki article to cover the mass scale arrest and dissolution of political parties , citing news article should be the real thing to do. Matthew hk (talk) 18:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Article size split

    • Support split - To follow up on a previous discussion, since there is consensus to split, I suggest reducing the "Reactions", "Impact", "Local media coverage", "Police misconduct", "Online confrontations", "Background", "History" as well as the "Clashes between protesters and counter-protesters" sections to ONE paragraph each, and having the rest covered in the sub articles. Obviously, I am open to suggestions. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why are we having this discussion every other month... Reducing the sections to ONE paragraph is an absurd idea. For instance, the article for World War II has way more than just six paragraphs. We probably need a short overview on the changes in Hong Kong one year after the NSL was enacted, but other than, this article is completed and shouldn't be changed significantly. OceanHok (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It is How to split need to be discuss. Or noone bold enough to throw out the details and leave the real essence to actually summarize the protest and the impact. Matthew hk (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Requested move 10 August 2021

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    The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus. No such user (talk) 11:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    2019–2020 Hong Kong protests → Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement – As someone have created the article for January 2021 timeline, I think we should really discuss whether to rename this article or to ban the existence of such articles. I would suggest renaming this article to something like Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement, without time limitations. So events not in 2019-2020 can also be included in the protests. Eight96Four (talk) 05:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Weak Oppose: The scope of the protests extended way beyond the initial opposition against the Extradition Law Amendment Bill, I'm not sure if the new title would adequately explain the course of the protests, and any reactions after the NSL was implemented can technically be described under Local effects of the Hong Kong national security law as opposed to this article. I'm inclining to oppose, subject to change if any editor has other strong supporting reasons.
    In any case, the timeline articles after July 2020 appear needlessly detailed and off-topic (with regards to both the protests and the Anti-Bill movement) to me, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. I'd suggest either they be moved to some new title (such as Timeline of reactions to the Hong Kong national security law put under its parent article), or they be removed altogether with contents summarized on the parent article. (Pinging timeline-editing user @Ara11183:)
    NoNews! 12:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Eight96Four: Even outside Hong Kong and China? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    May I ask if the term 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests is even used outside of wikipedia? The name Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement is commonly used in Taiwan (Chinese: 反修例 or 反送中) , and recognisable in other countries if you ask outside of Hong Kong and Chi na. [1][2] Eight96Four (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Dude....This is ENGLISH wikipedia so that citing Taiwanese source in Chinese language does not prove the common name in ENGLISH. Also , wikipedia is stubborn or whatever to describe it, please try to prove it in quantitative way such as google ngram. And to any admin that close this RM, the RM request really really need moratorium Matthew hk (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I may need time to construct a proper ngram query, but probably "the pro-democracy protest" is more common than "Anti-Extradition Law Amendment Bill Movement". Matthew hk (talk) 03:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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