User talk:Liz

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Well said!Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

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Recommended reading for editors who are upset RIGHT NOW!:
Tips for the angry new user - Gamaliel
Staying cool when the editing gets hot!

If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
And if I wasn't involved, personal attacks clearly warrant a block.

Re: Ogham and Ethiopian categories (0.5) removed

Hello Liz, Thank you! When I created the category for Ogham and Ethiopian, I thought that it would work for everyone else, and I didn’t know that it was only for me. I’ve changed my Thai box to have no number so that it isn’t 0.5. Also, how do I make my userboxes available to others? I didn’t share them because I didn’t know how to. Thank you! Leejordan9 ^✉ 23:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Since you asked...

On my RfA, you asked if I would expect my log to include admin duties. I did start it, as a separate page; User:Hammersoft/adminlog. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hammersoft,

First, congratulations! Second, you might also use Template:Adminstats, as you can see on User:Liz/Admin which also appears on my user page. It isn't as detailed as your manually maintained list of course, but many admins have this template on their user page. Also, if you get behind in keeping up your list (which can easily happen if you do a lot of admin work), you can always look at your logs which you can find on your Contributions page. They keep track of all page creations, page deletions, editors blocked etc. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks! I've added those to that log page. I'll have to wait for 24 hours to see it populate of course. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: "warning"

So I've been repeatedly hit with personal attacks for trying to follow process [1] including If a couple of you want to jerk yourselves off and accused falsely of "wasting time" and of course [2], and then I get the personal attack calling me "a waste of time"[3]. Just fucking lovely. IHateAccounts (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I'll look into this. If you get involved in controversial articles, a little bit of push back is expected but I'll see if this veers into personal attack. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Looking over the diffs, the most egregious words were posted by Johnsmith2116 and they have since been indefinitely blocked for that personal attack. Please report anything that bad. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Article deletions

Can you please not alert me of any form of prod or deletion again. Thankyou.† Encyclopædius 16:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, that's no problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2

Hi. You recently deleted Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2 due to the bad name. Was it a duplicate of Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity? It seems to have been created by a different user, but I don't know if it was a copy-paste of the older page. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Paul_012,

Looking at the deleted page, at first, this page just mentioned that this show was a spin-off of MasterChef Thailand. It was a one sentence stub. Then, it was turned into a redirect to Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity. Then it was tagged for deletion. It was originally created by Prussia97. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

G13 Deletions

Hey, do you unilaterally delete articles that are G13 worthy or do you wait till an editor tags them before you delete them or do admins have leeway to delete articles that are G13 worthy without editors tagging them first? Because it seems as though some admins, e.g Fastily waits till it’s G13 tagged before they delete the article but it seems you just unilaterally delete them or am I missing something or could you be so kind as to explain your modus operandi? Celestina007 (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007,

I would wait until the drafts are tagged but there are hundreds of stale articles each day and the editors who tag them don't seem to tag very many. If you want to evaluate and tag 200+ stale drafts each day, I'll wait for them all to be tagged. But honestly, most editors patrolling G13 drafts end up tagging 10 or 20 drafts and then stop instead of doing the entire lot. So, go for it, I'll wait and you can look over 200+ drafts and I'll wait for you to tag them all.

I'm up-to-date right now but you should check throughout the day and evening for expiring drafts. There are also several locations where G13's are listed so you should check the Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions as well as SDZeroBot's G13 pages like User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon for last Thursday and User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible. And do this every day, including weekends. Because there are 200+ drafts expiring every single day that need to be taken care of. Good luck with the tagging! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

There's no rule requiring an editor to have placed a speedy tag before a page can be speedy deleted. Personally, I prefer having another editor review and tag G13-eligible drafts before conducting my own review. If multiple editors have had an opportunity to review a given draft, then it's less likely we'll be deleting anything of value. That's just a theory though, YMMV. -FASTILY 00:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, it's been six hours now and there are 58 drafts that are eligible for G13 status. Not only have you (or any other editor) not reviewed and tagged them but you haven't edited since you posted this on my talk page. This is why I don't wait for stale drafts to be tagged...we'd be waiting all day and you all would have 200+ drafts to go through whenever you decided to take on this task from all of the other editing tasks you want to spend time on. I'm going back to reviewing them. And I'd be happy if, when time allows, you help review and tag them to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, as long as there’s no policy mandating you to wait until a page is G13 tagged before you delete it then that’s okay. Celestina007 (talk) 10:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (December 2020).

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As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, and happy holidays! --DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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RE: A spasso nel tempo

Thank you very much for your gentle reply! That was the kind of explanation I was asking for. Have a nice day--Alienautic (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Mentioned you at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom

Hi, I certainly did! If you can do it, please, please do. @Tony1: always turns me down, but I'll send him an email. The Signpost - and Wikipedia in general - could really use this story. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of my talk

Dear Liz, I have seen that you have prompted my talk Bhupender Dhawan for speedy deletion. I actually want to understand more about the issue you saw on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Khanna_Sudershan. I also created a draft with minimal data, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhupender_Dhawan_(Dronacharya). Please let me know if this suffice to the policies of wikipedia. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanna Sudershan (talk • contribs) 15:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

A "few" more U2 pages

Hi, I saw that you deleted my U2 nominations. I have a few more of those pages here, they don't have an associated user either. I think at least the pages with the extremely offensive titles should be deleted (certainly more than half). By the way, I made this list with this. And can accounts here really be deleted like that, because many of these users obviously used to exist, do you know that? (Oh, and, I don't really want to tag all of them for deletion by myself, because ... well, 1500 more or less useless edits I don't need now either.) --TheImaCow (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, TheImaCow,

I was wondering how on Earth you found these old accounts. They are puzzling to me because they are clearly not user accounts but editors and admins posted on their talk page as if they were existing accounts. And they aren't just accounts with bad names that have 0 edits, they are not active nor inactive accounts. They are just user talk pages with no associated account. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to confer with another admin about what to do with all of these. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Probably needs a manual review. Some of these were created by mistake and/or are vandalism, but redirects resulting from account renames should be kept imo. -FASTILY 05:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Fastily, there was a good discussion about these pages today at User talk:ST47. It's kind of a puzzle figuring out why there are so many, it turns out it's a lot of different factors, global blocks, old software from a decade ago, oversight actions & misplaced drafts on to User pages, to name a few. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Article Edit

Hello! I noticed the removal of a name on the list Han-Bin! I have since found the article for the individual and added it to the page, so hopefully it has been fixed and can remain! Let me know if any more info is needed, thank you! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jayb.rd98,

Can you provide a link to the article? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey, user:Liz

The article in question is Han-bin! The last name added (of a former contestent and current idol trainee) did not have an article to his name before, but I located it and added it to his section of the name page, as he is a notable figure! Let me know if you need anything more! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayb.rd98 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Liz, as I just said on User talk:Jayb.rd98, Hanbin Ngô (Ngô Ngọc Hưng) is a brand new article, newly translated from Vietnamese (which I do not speak), and I'm not convinced the person meets WP:N or any related criteria. I've asked for assistance on WT:WikiProject Vietnam. He does have an article, and it's not at WP:AFD, at least not yet. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 03:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Jayb.rd98

First, always sign your talk page posts. Second, I was looking for Hanbin Ngô as the article that refers to the person you wanted to add to the list. Finally, you were a participant in an edit war. You could have been blocked for this as you went WAY beyond 3 reverts. Also, the editors who were reverting your edits were not doing vandalism although they were edit warring, too. Vandalism refers to malicious editing, intended to inflict damage on the project. This was a content dispute, a disagreement. These happen all of the time. What you should have done was stop edit warring and get other editors involved to help resolve the dispute or move to dispute resolution.

Thanks for finding the article so that the name could be added to the page. I think you were able to make your point. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, davidwr. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Liz

Apologies for not signing, I’m still getting the hang of wikipedia. I was told by my advisor for my class project that removal of encylopedia infromation qualified as vandalism- and the accounts that had edit warred were subsequently banned as sockpuppets of another account (Who repeatedly ignored my requests on their talk page and the article talk page to reach a consensus). I’ll avoid such actions in the future, I appreiate the warning and leniancy. Under advice of user:davidwr Ill begin bulking up the new article for Hanbin.

I worry for the page, however. Fandom politics are unfortunately involved, and the fans of another fandom (who also has an artist named hanbin) have been discussing off-site about intentionally removing Hanbin whenever possible, as theyre upset that there are now two idols in South Korea named Hanbin. I’m not sure what the correct order of operations is in this case, and would greatly appreciate any advice you may have for me.

Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Reply from Tom Klemesrud concerning Abuse by Administrator Muboshgu

@Liz @Muboshgu: Tom Klemesrud responds: Thank you Liz, I do apologize for calling User talk:Muboshgu#Brad Raffensperger a fool. I have learned he is much more imbedded in the Byzantine power structure of Wikipedia, to be called that. However, after researching "Muboshgu" I will say -- with his self-proclaimed 211,000 contributions. (Personal attack removed) Take for example of blocking Iowa US Senate Candidate Theresa Greenfield by locking in a redirect so a page could not be created based on non-notoriety; then, creating a page for another Iowan from Senator Chuck Grassley's small town, Kim Olson, a failed 2018 candidate for Texas Secretary of Agriculture. I note this reliable source, if not elite, Wired Article-- https://www.wired.com/story/the-senate-race-that-could-be-pivotal-for-america-and-wikipedia/ that concentrates on the abuses of Muboshgu to Mr. Wales creation. There should be sanctions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomklem (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

This is identical to a comment on Tom's page. Look there. -- Valjean (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Tomklem, this is a personal attack that can warrant a block. You shouldn't be making accusations without evidence of your claim. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution?

Sorry to bother you again, but the page has continued to be edited, and the editor (who have been sockpuppets or a brand new account) have repeatedly ignored my attempts to reach out to reach a consensus. What should I do, when they clearly are uninterested in going through the process wikipedia has? I don’t want to give up and just allow info to be removed from the page because of a fanwar on twitter, but I don’t know what I could possibly do about it. I’m asking you because you had mentioned dispute resolution in our previous convo. Thank you very much. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jayb.rd98

Sorry for delay in responding to you. Davidwr is a very experienced editor and I think you should consider his suggestion that Hanbin Ngô be listed at Hanbin rather than Han-bin. Accuracy is important but 7 different editors have contested your addition of this name to the Han-bin list. We can't do a full protection on an article indefinitely and so it is likely that any time you add the name, an editor could come by later and remove it. We can't prevent this from happening and you don't want to get involved in another edit war. If this is less likely to happen at the Hanbin list, I'd include the name there instead. I've added a link to Hanbin on the Han-bin page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"Read! Talk! 22:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

user:liz

The delay is no issue! Upon discussion with them, their edit was made due to a confusion in the way Korean names are romanized (Which I brought up in the correct area!) Since there is no difference between Hanbin, Han-Bin, Hanbeen, and Han-been. It all depends on what romanization system is used, but the names in the source language are all completely identical (한빈), and its mentioned in the page han-bin that Hanbin is an alternative romanization!

If you look, 3 of the people involved in editing the page were sockpuppets of a 4th editor on that page (And the sockpuppets have since been banned).

In regards to the Hanbin page, Davidwr is helping me direct the proper question line to the proper area for what would be included on that page, as he isnt sure if names should be included.

Thank you for the constant help! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20}} to your friends' talk pages.

Thank you, WereSpielChequers. Happy holidays to you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Moving Category Talk pages

Hi, just a quick note that I'm a very experienced (now occasional) editor. I'm the guy who made Categories for Discussion and Templates for Discussion, developed the backend code, and the original parser function templates. And wrote a great deal of the instructions for closing at the time.

No, I didn't hand move a Category page. I merged or moved and redirected those specific Category Talk pages as part of the close. This was a complicated close, and needed to be done by hand. Then, somebody else ran a bot, and accidentally wiped out my work.

So thanks for helping fix part of the bot wipe. Sadly, it will take far more effort to restore than it took to do the work in the first place.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, William Allen Simpson,

Well, when I looked at the category talk pages, there were edits that indicated the pages had been moved. But my apologies if I misinterpreted the information. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

That's probably another administrator undoing some of his "fat-finger-syndrome" mistakes. Thanks for the help.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas Liz
	Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and healthy New Year, Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia,    –Davey2010Talk 19:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Davey2010! Happy holidays to you and yours. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

Donner60 (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20}} to your friends' talk pages.

Happy Festivus, Donner60! Enjoy the holiday season! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

File:Christmas tree in field.jpg	Merry Christmas Liz
	Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness. Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you and yours, onel5969!

happy holidays

Hello User:Liz Can you review it, please https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kareem_fahim/sandbox. Thanks a lot Stay Safe --Kareem fahim (talk) 09:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kareem fahim,

I don't review drafts but I submitted yours for review with Articles for Creation. Hopefully, this will get the ball rolling. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:31, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~
Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!
God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!
Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce!
Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством!
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สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส! ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành!

Hello, Liz! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}}

Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU. I hope you have a good holiday and New Year! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Article deletions

Hello Liz. Please tell me why did you delete Tohid Hajibabaei's page? (Tohid Hajibabaei). It was a biography of a famous person and had credible sources. It's very important and I want that article restored,plz. Msh1991 (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you give me a link to the page? And also, please sign your messages with four tildes ( ~~~~ ). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

here you are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohid_Hajibabaei Msh1991 (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Msh1991,

MrsSnoozyTurtle changed your article into a redirect to Aylan Azerbaijani Dance Group. The page Tohid Hajibabaei was just a link to another page which has been moved to Draft:Aylan Azerbaijani Dance Group. When the article was moved to a draft, the redirect became broken and I deleted the broken redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:39, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft page Cinque Vette Park

Hi Liz, I'm a member of the university group working on the project of Draft:Cinque Vette Park, Lombardy. We submitted our page for review on the 29^th of November, and it hasn't been accepted yet. We would like to ask you if you may give a look at our draft page and give us your feedback, so that we can improve our project page and hope it gets accepted by the 31^st of December, the deadline. Thank you in advance. Dervareser (talk) 18:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dervareser,

I don't review drafts but I posted a note about this on WT:AFC, the talk page for the AfC project, and hopefully someone can review it in the next few days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Liz, thank you for your advice! Fortunately it got accepted one hour after you answered me! Thank you again! Dervareser (talk) 09:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help, Dervareser. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Issue of Gugark Pogrom

Hi Liz, I am writing you regarding Gugark Pogrom. The article is nonsense and is reduntand. While Azeri have committed countless of pogroms against Armenians, we just list a few major ones and disregard the rest, while Azeri propagandist wikipedians loves to post each atrocity towards them as a totally separate Azeri pogroms or genocide when it has been all under one unfortunate event. I am not denying these may have happened, but Azeri wikipedians are clearly exaggerating their claims and blowing out of proportions when they are the victims. I have seen many acts of vandalism toward Armenian articles and categories when it is the other way around. Don't let Wikipedia become a propaganda tool for them or anyone. It should remain a unbiased, neutral platform for the truth regardless of what we like and don't like. I respectfully request you to undo your edit regarding the article.Hovhannesk (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hovhannesk,

I don't remember editing this article but I'll check my contributions. If you think this article is blatant misrepresentation or is inappropriate for Wikipedia, please nominate it for deletion at AfD. I've seen other politically divisive articles be reviewed and subsequently deleted should that be the consensus. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

You didn't edit it yourself, but you rejected the deletion request. I know this article is blatant and used mainly for propaganda purposes and this is article is clearly political as it is created by Azeri wikipedians which are spamming and rewriting history to their way (especially in the Azeri language Wikipedia, but that's another topic for another day). I don't know how to nominate it for deletion at AfD as I just know how to do basic editing and creating pages. Also, on a separate topic, could you please assist in a dilemma regarding Armenian categories in the diaspora? For example, there are two categories of Armenians in the respective such as Category:Syrian Armenians and Syrian people of Armenian descent, Category:Lebanese Armenians and Category:Lebanese people of Armenian descent, Category:Azerbaijani Armenians and Category:Azerbaijani people of Armenian descent and so on of the respective countries which were over 50 of them which were "merged" together as one category when they were clearly stated as two things and two different categories. And many of them have been deliberately removed instead of "merged" when I tried to undo them. I contacted the user JJMC89 (talk) who did this requesting an explaination for his reason and action and that he undo all of the "merging" and deletion of some of the categories. However, he never replied nor gave an appropriate response to my request and simply revert my undo action on him. I strongly believe him committing vandalism and spam in the sense that he is deliberately misleading the categories with his action of "merging" when they are clearly stated and explained as two separate categories for two different things. I am not good with these things and just try to contribute to Wikipedia in my free time when I can with basic editing, adding or proofreading, and creating pages. I would appreciate if you can look into the matter or recommend someone to investigate him and his history regarding the categories. Thanks. Hovhannesk (talk) 12:38, 04 January 2021 (UTC)

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Jared Kushner page

Hey, Liz, I did a page on Alleged Corruption of Jared Kushner and I've seen you've gone in favor of removing it instead of keeping it, or instead move on to Draft page. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know how to make the article more neutral so that my work on it doesn't go wasted. I've gone through the trouble of putting very verifiable sources on all of the statements made in it and I wouldn't want it to be 100% wasted. Thank you very much for any help you could give me.

If I thought the page should be deleted, I would've deleted it. I delete a lot of pages that are marked as attack pages. That's why I suggested you move the page into Draft space, which is our work space, or move it to a more neutral title. The text itself needs a little shaping up but we just don't have articles that are titled, "The Corruption (or Alleged Corruption) of Person X"". That's stating that the person is corrupt in Wikipedia's voice which is not the role of Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:52, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna do some work on it and change the title. I'm gonna remove some stuff about it and leave it more up to the other editors to decide (although all of my sources are backed and I am being as neutral as possible!) To be quite honest some of it might seem on the attack-y side of it but there is simply unanimous consent out there that the son-in-law being in the inside of the White House with the president's ear on his side is not something that should go unreported. Even by any encyclopedia standards out there, the consensus is just so strong that there is blatant mishandling by the person in question that talking about it should honestly not even be an issue. Especially when there is a widespread knowledge just about everyone that said person has mishandlings and about every news station out there has alread reported on it. The first person who flagged me as supposedly an "attack" has been regulating Trump's articles for a good while, so for me it's not even a surprise that it is tried to be taken down to be quite honest. The thing is that I'm 100% against any personal attacks out there and especially on an encyclopedia, but there is just so much unanimous knowledge on Kushner's controversial role and he's just such a public figure there should not even be question about creating articles on him. It would be like saying "Nero's evil shouldn't be criticized cause it's controversial to him!". I mean, he's a public official for Lord's sake and everyone knows how corrupt he is. It's like stating a widely-known fact by now and I can (and did) refer a dozen different verifiable sources that say that. Anyway, Thank you very much for informing on everything. I'll change it as much as possible and leave it to the editors to decide. Just wanted to inform you that there is probably going to be a lot of people claiming it's "an attack" even though I'm just stating the facts and bringing up factual sources from reputable news outlets. Thanks. Have a great night and a great New Year's Eve.

Well, I chose not to delete the page because I think it has some well-sourced content and I think there is an article in there. You just can't write in Wikipedia's voice that anyone is corrupt or is criminal. That is considered an attack. The sources might indicate criminality but you need to change the title before this page gets immediately deleted. It might be an appropriate title if you were writing a book but not for a Wikipedia article.

And please sign all of your talk page post with four tildes ( ~~~~ ) so that your signature shows up. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Public Perception of Jared Kushner might not be the most accurate title for the article you wrote but it is a big improvement. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:23, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, I changed the title to Public Perception of Jared Kushner. Hopefully it stays up and there can be civil discussion on the Talk page on it and editors will pick it up from here and add as it's appropriate. Really thanks for your help and informing me on the matter; it really does help. Glad we got this figured out in a civil manner - just didn't want my time on writing to go to waste. I'm gonna remove the things that seem more "contentious" and leave it to the editors. Thanks. Marcosoldfox (talk) 02:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

As expected, they're trying to remove it; and this user KidAd is unashamedly trying to delete it without giving any reason to do so, and he is clearly attempting to one-sidedly remove anything that doesn't go along with his narrative. All the president's men, I'd guess... Marcosoldfox (talk) 03:29, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marcosoldfox,

An AfD is not unexpected. It's still a controversial article although it is no longer an attack page. Now, it'll be discussed over the next week where you can make an argument which is much better than immediate deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for tagging Category:Superman arcade games for speedy deletion. I meant for it to be a redirect to Category:Superman arcade and video games, but I got sidetracked and it didn't get finished. Thanks again for the heads up! Americanfreedom (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Americanfreedom,

Well, I'm glad it worked out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hey Liz, hope your holiday and 2021 is going well! I was wondering if you could possibly recommend any admin who is smart/proficient with music related articles such as album templates and such? Not too sure if you’re familiar with knowing any but I figured I’d reach out and ask! Pillowdelight (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pillowdelight,

The admin I know who is most well-versed in music articles and music WikiProjects is Ritchie333. I hope this helps! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much Liz!

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Buldam, California

I undid your prod deletion of Buldam, California, because I was literally in the process of expanding it and unprodding it when my edits conflicted with your deletion. I hope you don't mind me doing it this way rather than going through a more complicated WP:REFUND request. Anyway, sorry for stepping on your toes in this way. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem at all, David. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

CAT:SIEVERT and WP:SIEVERT

Why did you delete these redirects? I understand if you would delete them as unnecessary or something, but why did you delete them as implausible? I created them so that I don't have to type "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1053#Proposed community ban of User:Sievert 81 when I wanted to link to the site ban proposal, and I created CAT:SIEVERT so that I could link to the category in the ban proposal, but why have you deleted them? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 14:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, JJPMaster,

Well, we have over 20,000 sockpuppeteers and we don't have redirect pages for them. I've never heard of creating special redirect pages for a sockpuppeteer, even the most prolific cases (which is not the case with Sievert 81), and it was unwarranted.

I can see you are very invested in this particular case but we try to have established practices across the board and this was an aberration. I want to encourage you to not engage in sock hunting...it can just turn you into a big target for the sockpuppeteer and gives the troll unnecessary attention. Please read Wikipedia:Deny recognition and try to put this sockpuppeteer case behind you. Hopefully, you will not have to link back to that ANI discussion ever again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: I will try to do that. Besides, it seems like Sievert 81 has had a change of heart after being indefinitely blocked from Conservapedia, and is now a constructive contributor on RationalWiki, albeit subject to a ban from biology-related articles so as to prevent what happened on Wikipedia from happening on there. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 21:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you so much for the invite. It will be my pleasure to be part of your team. Thanks.

Felipe Fanzeres (talk) 20:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, welcome, Felipe. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft Article: List of Degrees at Oxford university

I cancelled that but wasn't able to find where it was so I couldn't delete it. Ranamode (talk) 09:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Ranamode. Just know that should you wish to continue to work on Draft:List of degrees at Oxford University, you can ask for it to be restored at WP:REFUND. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

142.112.185.243

Could you please block user:142.112.185.243 ASAP? CLCStudent (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

90.161.188.214

Can user:90.161.188.214 also be blocked at your earliest convenience? CLCStudent (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Although I will be away from keyboard for a while. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Backup of a proposed article deleted by you: "Robert Mickle"

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Hi Liz,
Thank you for your work on Wikipedia. I had started an article titled "Robert Mickle" which was deleted because it was considered non-notable due to lack of sufficient citations. Now I want to work on the content and improve the article in my sandbox. How can I obtain it? Can you create a draft page under my user name and put my previous work in there? Thanks,
Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mehmetcaputcu,

I apologize for the delay in responding to you. Robert_Mickle was deleted because of an expired PROD which is to be used on uncontroversial deletion. This means that, unlike other forms of deletion (like CSD and AFD), it can be restored upon request. So, it has been restored and you are free to work on it. Happy editing! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Liz,*

You have published the article and made me happy. :)) Thank you! I added a few more references to it right away, and plan to continue to develop it in near future. I also created a link to it from an existing Wikipedia article. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Iowa_Regional_Association_of_Local_Governments...

Should we now remove the "orphan" notification box? Thanks again.

Best!

* Do I need to include the @ sign so you are notified of any message addressed to you? Thanks. Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Has my response reached you? Hope all are well. Thanks. Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

AOC RFC

Hi, I'm not sure if you noticed but the RFC at AOC was NAC-Closed without even waiting for a couple of days. There were several yes votes, and many others didn't even get a chance to vote one way or the other. The closer mentioned that "respectable" editors advised that it's not going to happen, yet nobody owns the article, especially when I found "respectable" sources that would tilt for inclusion. I think the RFC should be reopened and let it run its course, one way or the other. Thanks

Draft:Second impeachment of Donald Trump

As someone who contributed to this draft, I'm curious as to who this "one author" is who requested deletion. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ribbet32,

Phillip Samuel created the article and made the majority of edits to this draft. After being told that this draft was a duplicate of a similar article, 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office, he asked that it be deleted. I posted a note on his talk page saying that the draft could be restored if he wanted to incorporate any of the material of the draft into the article. Typically, the creator of a page can request its deletion if they made the major contributions to it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Phillip Samuel wrote the first draft which was like two sentences. A second editor (can't remember name) rewrote it completely, and I was the third contributor. Phillip Samuel was not the sole author, and was not responsible for a significant portion of it. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

You are correct, Ribbet32, it looks like Nirvanaoreilly made a major contribution as did you. I have restored the draft. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone! Yes, I created the draft article with the intention of the community helping me in adding sections since I am an new and inexperienced editor. Ribbet32 you are right, I created the page but others did a majority of the work to make it substantial, but when I submitted it for article creation it got rejected multiple times since the admin and/or reviewer(s) believed it was just a duplicate article to the "2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office" article and ultimately didn't accept it. Since the article I created and the most of the community wrote was deemed unnecessary, it was my understanding that there was no point going forward and so I requested the article be deleted. I guess I should've read the rules more carefully when it comes to deleting pages you create :) . I'm surprised that it was deleted in a quick span of time, but if the community thinks, like I do, that it's an article worth restoring and moving into mainspace, then it should be. Are you still interested? Phillip Samuel (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Phillip Samuel, I wouldn't take the opinion of one or two AFC reviewers as representing "the community". And, as the draft changes and improves, the opinion of reviewers can change. Also, as I said to you, there can be sections of the draft that could be incorporated into 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office if they are well-researched and well-composed. The draft has already been restored. As this draft is about an event clearly evolving in front of us on a daily basis, I assume that it will continue to need work and be expanded. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! I just saw that the draft got rejected since it was repeatedly considered a clone, so I figured to delete the draft and incorporate the info into the "2021 efforts" article which is under discussion of being renamed to the title of the draft already. But if you guys think this draft holds promise then yeah I'm all for it. Phillip Samuel (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Elemental Calcium

I see you deleted the following link: Elemental_calcium with the statement that nothing links to it. I don't have a problem with the deletion so that you're clear up front. But, as I was looking at the Bacillus_coagulans page it does exist as a link under "Other Common Ingredients". Please see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dietary_supplement

How should we heal the broken link? Linking to something more fitting or changing the template there? Please let me know when you get a chance.

Geoff918 (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Geoff918,

Elemental calcium was an expired PROD and it was actually another editor who tagged it for deletion with that rationale. As an admin, I just deleted the page after the 7 day period. But PRODs are for uncontroversial deletions. If you would like to have the page restored to evaluate it, I can do that easily. Let me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Well, to be honest, I don't have an opinion. I do think that if we're going to kill off the template that we should remove it from the entire referencing system as it creates a bunch of broken links. Else, restore it. Again, I don't have an opinion other than it either needs to be removed from the template also or restored such that we don't have a broken link.

Thank you for your explanation.

Stop deletion of categories

Hi I've currently has 9 articles in drafts (about politburos). Please dont delete categories before the articles are finished :) --Ruling party (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello,Ruling party,

I just tagged empty categories (CSD C1). If they have contents over the next week, the tag will be removed and they will be retained. If they are still empty after 7 days, they will be deleted. If you find a need for them after they have been deleted, feel free to recreate them.

If you have questions, ask me or the friendly people at the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

MShachar12 - Revdel and TPA removal

Hi Liz, please see their last two comments on their talk page. Not nice to say to the least. S0091 (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ooops, thought they were already blocked so adding request to block them as well. S0091 (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, S0091. This is the second time this week I've been called that. I wonder if it is the same person. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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Steveengel at ANI

I've mentioned you at ANI in connection with Steveengel (talk · contribs). I agree that the subpage isn't an attack page, but the compilation of lists of editors is disturbing, and I've blanked their more extensive userpage pending discussion at ANI. Acroterion (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed seeing this message earlier today, Acroterion. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

2603:6000:A507:C600:ADDC:4FCE:D2B9:8EF0

Can user:2603:6000:A507:C600:ADDC:4FCE:D2B9:8EF0 please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 19:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Recreating Category:Pakistani silent films

Hello am I allowed to recreate the category Category:Pakistani silent films that you deleted because of C1: Empty category but I added the article Daughters of Today that was originally falsely claimed to be a Indian film but it is actually a Pakistani film so i fixed it but found out you deleted the Pakistani Silent films as a empty category 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸,

Any category that is deleted only because it is empty can be recreated if there is a need for it. So, if there is an article that fits this category, please feel free to recreate the category or I can do that for you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946)

Hi, I just fixed the redlinks in article space caused by your deletion of Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946). I'm not sure what should be done about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946) which no longer links to, or is linked from, the article it is about. The simplest thing would be to re-create the redirect. DuncanHill (talk) 00:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DuncanHill,

I've restored the redirect at your request but it is an implausible redirect. It might be tagged again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Well I'm sure any admin would check what links here to see if it is serving a useful purpose before deleting. DuncanHill (talk) 00:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

87.228.213.149

Can user:87.228.213.149 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism? CLCStudent (talk) 01:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Looks like they have stopped editing. Let me know if they return. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Request

The page I marked for speedy deletion is about a living person. The only thing they are known for is a evidence-free conspiracy theory directed at them that spread a year ago on Chinese social media. That conspiracy theory has been mentioned by a few tabloids outside of China, which is not enough to make it notable. In other words, the page in question is simply wild speculation about a living person (commonly known as "libel"). It should really be oversighted, but at the very least, it should be speedily deleted without bringing further attention to the page. -Thucydides411 (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The subject of the article is a missing person, and there is no telling if she is alive. How are the rumors about her falling ill malicious? The reliable sources provided meet WP:RS. ScrupulousScribe (talk) 08:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

She's not a "missing person". She's a private individual who was the target of conspiracy theories on Chinese social media. It's really outrageous that you created an entire article about an obscure, evidence-free social media conspiracy theory targeting a living person. This is exactly the reason why WP:BLP policy came into existence in the first place. -Thucydides411 (talk) 09:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Continuing discussion in Talk:Huang Yanling. ScrupulousScribe (talk) 10:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I just think a deletion discussion in an AfD is more appropriate for this article than a quick CSD deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

A discussion just brings more attention to defamatory material about a private living person that clearly does not belong on Wikipedia. I'm very disappointed in how this has been handled, all around. -Thucydides411 (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, Thucydides411, it looks like the article has been deleted after a quick AFD discussion so it looks like you were correct. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted page: Shuchi Anand

Hello! I didn't realize that there was a prod on Shuchi Anand. She likely meets WP:ACADEMIC based on the citation counts of her work. This is most easily demonstrated in a Google scholar search: [4]. The following articles are cited over 100 times. [5][6][7][8][9][10] This is usually enough to pass criteria 1 of ACADEMIC which states their work has had a significant impact. Could you restore the page? I will see what I can do to better demonstrate this. Thanks! TJMSmith (talk) 12:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TJMSmith,

You need to provide reasons for keeping an article at an Articles for Deletion discussion but not for a Proposed deletion which are simply restored upon request. So, the article has been restored. Good luck with improving it! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Liz, Thanks Liz! I've added some highly cited selected works. TJMSmith (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Restore to userspace request

Hi Liz! LTNS, hope all is well. Would you mind temporarily restoring to my userspace these pages: Category:Geography of Rojava, Category talk:Geography of Rojava, Category:Regions of Rojava, and Category talk:Regions of Rojava (I'm not sure that this last one exists)? There were some diffs from those pages at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds and I'd like to review them and potentially include them as evidence in the pending Kurds and Kurdistan arbcom case. Thanks! Levivich ^harass/_hound 17:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Levivich,

I don't think restoring a Category to User space would work...it would still be a category. I could transfer any content to a user page if you'd like but typically categories do do not have much content on them except for their parent categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! It's actually not the content of the pages I'm interested in so much as the page histories, particular diffs (to show timestamps of when parent categories, or CSD tags, were added/removed, for example), and page logs. I think I'd like to link to some of that stuff for my evidence submission to arbcom but I can't see it. Can we temporarily restore the pages and blank them with some kind of notice (similar to what's sometimes done for deleted pages during DRV reviews)? Levivich ^harass/_hound 17:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Levivich, since the only reason they were deleted was because they were empty categories, I've restored them and started the 7 day CSD C1 waiting period over again. There was no Category talk:Regions of Rojava page so there was nothing to restore. It's really no problem with empty categories as most readers aren't even aware of the category system and no one will stumble upon these categories.

If this is about the dispute about Kurdistan, I remember that there were other related categories that were tagged for CSD C1 deletion that might have been improperly emptied. I am probably responsible for 90% of empty category taggings and deletions so you might want to look over my CSD log at User:Liz/CSD log (for January) and User:Liz/CSD log/Archive/October-December 2020#December 2020 (for December) to see if there are any others that should be restored. Because there is no permanent record of a category's contents, it can be hard to know that a category has been improperly emptied unless you are familiar with the subject matter and what articles should be in the category but are not. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you! You've hit the nail on the head: I suspect they were improperly emptied, but that's really hard to figure out. I appreciate the pointer to the CSD log, that should be helpful to see if there are others. I'll let you know what I find one way or the other. Thanks again! Levivich ^harass/_hound 04:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. Whenever you have time, can you please (pardon me if I'm using the wrong language) restore the deleted revisions of Category:Afrin Region (I think it was recreated after deletion), and also Category talk:Afrin Region? (The other two Regions of Rojava are Category:Euphrates Region and Category:Jazira Region, but someone contested those two so they weren't deleted.) Levivich ^harass/_hound 07:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi Liz. I see that you deal a lot with deletions and I had a question about drafts. I'm interested in adding WikiProject tags to draft talk pages (DTPs) for WP:1 reasons. I'm looking at a pretty large number of additions so I'm curious how the (inevitable?) deletions will proceed. From what I gather, the creator of the draft is notified on the user talk page about the deletion. My question is this: Does the creator of the DTP (if it's a different person from the original draft creator) also get a notification that the DTP has been deleted? If I do go around tagging (and in many cases creating) DTPs will I be given an alarm for each deleted DTP that I created? Apologies in advance if this question sounds convoluted. -Thibbs (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thibbs,

I think I understand your questions. First, I don't think there is any problem with putting a WikiProject banner on a draft talk page. It doesn't happen all of the time but it does happen. You would get a notice about a deletion tagging except that it is rare that we tag the talk pages for deletion. The draft page is tagged but draft talk pages typically aren't tagged (they fall under CSD G8). That extra step is just not typically done. As I understand it, putting the WikiProject banners on the draft talk pages would mean that the page would appear on a WikiProject's Article Alert if it was tagged for regular deletion (in this case, only MFD as drafts can't be PROD'd). However, since aging drafts are typically tagged for CSD G13 speedy deletion, they wouldn't appear on an article alert because they are usually deleted as soon as they hit the "six months with no edits" mark.

What I'm not sure of is whether this is good or bad news...did you want to be notified? Or are you planning on creating so many draft talk pages that notifications would overwhelm your talk page and you are glad not to be getting them? And, out of curiosity, what WikiProjects are you working with? I don't do all of the deletions but I could keep an eye out. It is also helpful to look over User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon which lists the drafts approaching their six month mark. Folks working in Articles for Creation area sometimes look over this list and save promising drafts before they are due to expire. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I don't want to be notified because I anticipate being overwhelmed by them, but it sounds like I probably won't be. I've been adding WP project tags for categories and templates for WP:VG recently but I've been leaving the drafts alone. Seeing as they do track VG drafts on WP:1 I figured I'd do some tagging because the current count (291 drafts) is far from the actual count. Either way I'll probably experiment with a smaller batch before going headlong into it. Thanks again for your explanation! -Thibbs (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Sun Microsystems computers

Hello! Sorry, can You rename this category as "Sun computers" instead of deleting? After renaming I could fill the category with the same logic as existing commons category. Thanks! ThisIsNotABetter (talk)

Hello, ThisIsNotABetter,

This is not how categories are renamed, they are not moved, ordinarily you should go make a proposal for a speedy rename at Categories for Discussion....HOWEVER, since this is an empty category that is tagged for deletion, I did as you requested because it doesn't affect any other pages and the category has no pages assigned to it. I have left the CSD tag on it because it is still an empty category. If it is still empty in 7 days, it will be deleted. As soon as it isn't empty, the tag will be removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for moving, it's a nice result for current time. ThisIsNotABetter (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Colentina, Bucharest

Colentina, Bucharest is being attacked. CLCStudent (talk) 16:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

DISMEYCARTOON207

user:DISMEYCARTOON207 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion

Hello, you nominated a tracking category that is used by a template to show errors which at the moment is empty. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Trigenibinion,

If it's the category I'm thinking of, it is no longer empty and the tag has been removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I have to thank you because my documentation was outdated, and I also learned how I have to tag such categories. Regards. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Mayors of Davao City

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Mayors of Davao City. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Thank you for letting me know. Please remember to sign your talk page posts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Eh, I thought the template did that. Thanks for the reminder. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page

Hi. Regarding your message on my talk page: You're right about the deletion request process. I'm not new on WP, but have been inactive a looong time, so forgive some lapses. Regarding your other note: I've never been a fan of archiving once things are settled, but I'll think of something. Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, Robert, we all have areas where we can learn something. Personally, I try to have little interaction with files and images. If you have any questions, let me know or I often recommend the Teahouse, if it hadn't been around when I was a new editor, I probably would have quit years ago. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

2600:1017:B0AD:7FD7:FDC7:DC6C:AA03:878A

Can user:2600:1017:B0AD:7FD7:FDC7:DC6C:AA03:878A please be blocked ASAP? Thank you. CLCStudent (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Taken care of and I've protected the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

On-going film page deletion

Hello Liz, The film page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysore_Masala:_The_UFO_Incident was deleted based on a proposal about it being shelved during production. That is untrue and we've been working on the post-production of the same through COVID times. The film is almost complete and is in the sound-mix stage. I would appreciate this page be restored. You can find activities of the film on its social media pages (@mysoremasalafilm). Appreciate your help on this. Thank you. Zaphodbroxy (talk) 02:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zaphodbroxy,

It's not a matter of convincing me, Mysore Masala: The UFO Incident was tagged with a Proposed deletion tag which is for uncontroversial deletions. It can be restored upon request so that is what I've done.

Also, when you add a comment to any talk page, please put it at the bottom of the page. When new messages are posted in the middle of a talk page, it is very easy to miss them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Possible deletion of Love Is Strength

Hi. Because we just had the discussion: I think this article (on a lost film) also "qualifies" for deletion. No citations have been added since they had been asked for in May 2019. Before I add a deletion request template and inform the original creator: would you agree or is this deletion request not worth the effort? (I. e. would probably be denied a deletion.) Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, User:Robert Kerber,

That article looks like a good candidate for a PROD. If another editor disagrees and "de-PRODs" the article (removes the tag), it doesn't reflect poorly on you. We have editors who go through categories and PROD dozens of subpar articles...those efforts require more care. I'd just PROD articles that you happen to come across that you think qualify for an uncontroversial deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Will do so, thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Liz, a short postscriptum: I've left deletion requests on two pages which happen to be from the same author. On his talk page, the author explicitly states that he does NOT wish notifications of requested deletions posted on his page. I guess I can leave it like this, then. Let me know if you think otherwise or have a different suggestion. Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 18:41, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Liz, as a user denied the deletion for reasons I do not regard sufficient, I started a discussion for a 2nd AfD. In case this interests you: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Love_Is_Strength_(2nd_nomination). Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

one of your G13s

Draft:Hiram W. Duncan was a State senator. I found a 2nd ref and accepted it. (I will admit, it took over an hour, mainly to rule out the other people with similar names) DGG ( talk ) 07:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

there were a few other G13s I restored, but this was the clearest that was unquestionably notable DGG ( talk ) 07:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, DGG, you rescue quite a few aging drafts, thanks for letting me know about this one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Bordrin vehicles

Hello Liz! I saw that you nominated my category Bordrin vehicles for nomination. Just wanted to tell you that the reason that category is empty because my article Bordrin was moved to draftspace, which also messed up some redirect pages to Bordrin. DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DestinationFearFan,

Empty categories are tagged for 7 days. If they are still empty after a week, they are deleted. If they aren't empty, the CSD tag is removed. And any categories that are deleted simply for being empty can be recreated when they are needed. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

It does, thank you! DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Starzoner

Hi Liz, sorry to bother you. I just want to know what you think of this. I ask you because you are the one who almost every day leaves a new deletion notice on his talk page. For me it is unfair that in its attempt to monopolize all the articles that it can request the recovery of editions that were deleted because they were abandoned. In any case, I think the correct thing to do would be to request the restoration before another user recreates it and not after. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bruno,

That is a curious request. All I'll say is that there are a few editors who start a huge number of drafts with minimal content. I expect they think they will eventually get around to working on them and these CSD G13 deletion notices I post on their talk pages are, to them, just reminders of drafts they had forgotten about. This is not the way most content creators here work which is on one or a few drafts at a time, polishing them up over time.

But I'd try not to let this situation bother you. Over the years, I've seen lots of productive editors get into trouble when they can't let go of conflicts with editors that get under their skin and I think that is just tragic for them and for Wikipedia. I think in these situations, it's best to just keep your distance and focus on the part of editing that you enjoy. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok Liz, you're right. It does not make sense to initiate this type of conflict that later can translate into blockages. Thank you for taking the time to respond and we apologize for the inconvenience. Greetings. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 13:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

... Starzoner (talk) 20:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Direct Contact Request

Hi—thank you for your feedback on my talk page r/t that direct contact request. This all seems very strange. That IP has emailed me and it does seem to be the individual that they are claiming to be (email matches up with what is on their website, etc.). They are now requesting a phone conversation or a Zoom meeting, and honestly, it feels like an attempt to intimidate me. I appreciate your advice on my page. - Hobomok (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hobomok,

I would trust your gut. The person already has your email address and personally, I would want to retain my anonymity. It's also unfair that they seem to hold you responsible for the state of an article that anyone can edit. You know more about this person than I do so perhaps you are curious enough to want to engage them to hear what they have to say but, personally, I wouldn't do so given the hostility they have expressed towards you. Editing Wikipedia is a volunteer activity and you should never feel compelled to have contact off-line with any of us. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

My Userpage

Thanks for restoring my userpage. I was really confused when I saw the deletion log in my watchlist. That was honestly *very* random CSD tagging. Starzoner (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Starzoner,

It was strange indeed because the editor who tagged your user page was very new and the admin should have questioned the appropriateness of the CSD tagging. 04:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

Nicholas Alahverdian

New news recently. starship.paint (exalt) 04:32, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Starship.paint, I contacted the local paper after the Wikipediocracy stories and looking into his sockpuppet accounts that have still been editing here and on the Commons and contesting edits. It was bizarre that Wikipediocracy, who really fear no one, removed those articles so there must have been some legal threat which just makes one wonder who would have issued a threat. I simply suggested to the local reporter that they look into this story but there was no response so I thought there probably wasn't any story here, that it was just a strange situation that would remain unexplained. It will be interesting to see if there is any move to remove the new information on BLP grounds. What a weird situation especially given his role here as an editor. Thanks again for informing me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Excellent work, Liz. Have you seen this? Wonder if it is from this person? Wonder if someone will investigate. starship.paint (exalt) 07:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Interesting, Starship.paint, because the lawyer signing the DMCA states his address is in Cambridge, MA, where Alahverdian was from, but the attorney's own website says that he is retired and living in Florida. And even when he was practicing law, he wasn't licensed to practice in MA but in other states. And the previous effort of trying to replace ones image on Wikipedia with a photo of someone else that anyone can see is not you? More strange inconsistencies. Or a sloppy job covering your tracks.

I didn't know that the WMF posted DMCAs publicly, that's also interesting to see. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you see this discussion? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I have responded there. How about this? starship.paint (exalt) 01:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I had not heard of Lumen before this. I see he's been sending dozens of notices to Google since 2013. Considering how hungry he was for publicity early in his life, it's interesting how he's trying to remove every photo of himself from the Internet. According to latest news story, he owes quite a lot of money to family members. I posted a message to the WMF representative asking whether they confirmed the identity of the person who states he represents the Alahverdian Trust. We'll see if I get a response. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

The Stranger Within a Woman

Hi User:Liz, can you help here or suggest someone who can?
The page The Stranger Within a Woman had been erroneously moved to page The Thin Line (1966 film) by a user. The Stranger Within a Woman is the main title, The Thin Line a more seldom used a.k.a./alternative title. In the article's head section, the correct title has been reinstated – see article history. Still, we now have a redirect from The Stranger to The Thin Line, when it should be the other way around. To do this, the Stranger page has to be deleted by an admin first, according to WP:MOVE#Undoing_a_move, so The Thin Line (1966 film) can be moved back and its history and subsequent edits preserved. I don't want to tilt history and subsequent edits with a simple copy–paste-job. Best Robert Kerber (talk) 17:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Robert,

I moved the article back to its original location. FYI, it's not appropriate to PROD a redirect, they are only meant for articles. If you ever want to delete a redirect, propose it at WP:RFD. If you want to do a move which you are prevented from doing because of this kind of situation, you can go to WP:RM or just ask an admin which you did in this case. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:36, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

I see. Many thanks, Liz. Robert Kerber (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

176.59.41.41

Can user:176.59.41.41 please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 20:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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File:Winterbild.jpg

Hello, can you check the deleted edits from the user who uploaded the file? I would like to know where the pictured location is. (I want to move the file to Commons, but I need the context for that). --TheImaCow (talk) 08:38, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheImaCow,

I don't think their deleted edits would be helpful. One was a duplicate image of the one you are concerned with and the second was the image of a boat that was deleted because it had no licensing information. The only additional content on that second image was a URL that now is a dead link. Sorry it didn't have any more useful information. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Well then. I moved the image to Commons and put it in the category "Basel", because the user has edited something in the Basel article, and because you can see a Swiss flag on the image, that's better than nothing. Thanks for the help anyway! --TheImaCow (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Windmills completed in 1975

I've contested the speedy deletion of this category, which was emptied by another editor. Discussion is currently taking place at talk:Weald and Downland Living Museum#Cats and navbox. Mjroots (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mjroots,

Categories sometime get "emptied out of process". This is why empty categories sit for 7 days in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion after being tagged CSD C1, so that any improper emptying can be looked into and perhaps reversed. As soon as the category is no longer empty, the tag will be removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, right, so we've got time then. I notified all relevant WPs of the discussion. I'm sure we can reach an acceptable conclusion here. Mjroots (talk) 20:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

75.108.148.104

Can user:75.108.148.104 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Coyote ‎

Can Coyote ‎ please be protected ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 01:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I've blocked a couple IP addresses but this user from Oxford is jumping around IP addresses. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

173.70.243.56

Can user:173.70.243.56 please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 01:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

CATEGORY:X9

Hello, you just hung {{d|c1}} on the page I created. What you don't know, however, is that a user broke the page I created before. As a result, the classification happened to conform to CSD C1. Please don't make this mistake again, thank you!--Alcremie (talk) 04:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alcremie,

Except for a few exceptions, empty categories are deleted on Wikipedia if they are still empty after 7 days. If the category is no longer empty, the tag will be removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:50, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Male, a nerd

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RevDel request

Hi Liz, will you please revdel this. S0091 (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for your quick action, S0091. I also appreciate you going through stale drafts so thoroughly and transferring drafts in good shape to the main space of the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz! I am pleasantly surprised there is as much salvageable there given all the cruft we see. Thanks for you do around here as well. S0091 (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For all your relentless dedication to G-13 related deletions. You are definitely a tireless alien. Haha Celestina007 (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Celestina007. Having editors tag them first sure saves me a lot of time so thank you, and a few other editors, for all your work.

I think I'll move on sometime soon to a different activity. As far as editing tasks go, it's a bit tedious...I see a lot of blank pages and it's great to know that AFC is approving so many good drafts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It’s always an honor to work with you Liz. Celestina007 (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Deletion of Joe Roche article

You deleted the Joe Roche article last month. Next time you prod to delete a page, you should have the common courtesy to leave a comment on the user page of the person who created it. That's pretty common Wikipedia etiquette. The page was on wikipedia for 15 years and questioning the sources by simply stating you don't think a major regional newspaper is a satisfactory source is not academic or the way that a deletion discussion is usually done. David Straub (talk) 10:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David Straub,

Notifying the page creator of a page that is tagged for deletion is the responsibility of the editor who tagged the page who, in this case, was Eddie891. The page tagger is the editor who provides the justification for deletion. I'm sorry you weren't notified.

Since it was deleted as a PROD, any administrator can restore the page if that is what you want. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

in this case, twinkle notified the wrong person, though it is not required to notify the creator I would have if I realized the error. Why that happened, I could not tell you. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Granni has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Granni. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 03:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Saifai

Liz - I'm unclear as to why you deleted Talk:Saifai "G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page" as we still have a page Saifai - not sure what, if anything, was on it when you deleted it? - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 18:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for catching this, Arjayay. An editor changed the redirect target of Statue of Krishna and it showed up on the Broken Redirect list as broken. I deleted it and and when I went to delete the talk page, Talk:Statue of Krishna, it was a correct redirect to Talk:Saifai and I didn't notice that I was now on a different page. So, I made two mistakes and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Everything is restored now and Statue of Krishna now points to the correct redirect, Saifai. Changing redirect targets is an infrequent form of vandalism but it does happen. Thanks again for telling me so I could make the correct changes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

RevDel request

Hello admin, sorry to bother you but can you please remove the edit summaries of this and this edit? Thank you. --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for catching these...let me know if the editor persists. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I'm keeping an eye on their edits. Ashleyyoursmile! 18:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

5-month AFC notifications

I can't for the life of my find the thread from a few weeks ago where we discussed this, but it looks like User:Bot0612 is back to notifying users when their draft is 5 months old. Thought you might like to know! Primefac (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah! Thanks for letting me know, Primefac. The discussion over the past months actually happened in a couple different places but the one where I know you weighed in was here on AFC, back in October. Glad it finally came together...I should have gone straight to Bot Requests! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Deleted draft

You recently deleted Draft:National Consumer Law Center. Could you please email me the text of the deleted draft and its edit history? I created the draft as part of a legal internship with the National Consumer Law Center, and its been years since the person I've been working with last contacted me. I fully understand there is no point in keeping the draft on Wikipedia, but I'd like a copy for my personal records. (My personal email is already linked to this account). Spirit of Eagle (NCLC) (talk) 18:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spirit of Eagle (NCLC),

This draft was deleted as a CSD G13 which is a stale draft that hasn't been edited in six months. These deletions can be restored upon request. So, I have restored Draft:National Consumer Law Center and you can copy the information or continue to work on it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I've saved everything that I wanted to save. Spirit of Eagle (NCLC) (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User talk:37.48.49.94

Hi Liz Apologies but I see you were active blocking someone recently, could you please take a look at the above (use google translate on their reply to my level 1 warning). Thanks JW 1961 Talk 21:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Joseywales1961,

Thanks for the head's up, especially regarding the translation. I've given the editor a short block from editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks and good night from Ireland (calling it a day!) JW 1961 Talk 22:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

User talk deletion

Hi Liz, when I created the user talk archive you just speedily deleted here it was in response to a request to delete following a renaming. I could see the motivation for deletion, but I didn't want to delete the record of discussion because "User talk pages and user talk archives created by page move are generally not deleted; they are usually needed for reference by other users" (WP:DELTALK). Creating the archive with the old name replaced by the new one was a workaround that addressed both these issues, but you undid that without discussing it with me. I don't see a good reason to remove the talk archive, so could you explain? Fences&Windows 20:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fences and windows,

I just saw that Oman160 requested that his page be deleted. Every day, I remove CSD tags from user talk pages that have been tagged for deletion with the explanation that we don't delete user talk pages but I guess I messed this one up. I'll restore it. My apologies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz, I thought I might be missing something about the process but I see it was a slip. Oman160, please leave be that record of prior discussions. Fences&Windows 20:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)