Karamanlides: Revision history

24 October 2024

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19 October 2024

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13 September 2024

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• curprev 12:2912:29, 13 September 2024 2a02:85f:e067:41c8:c8e8:d9a:b3:966f talk 23,427 bytes −60 This part is completely unneeded and unnecessary undo Tags: Manual revert section blanking Mobile edit Mobile web edit

11 September 2024

• curprev 08:1808:18, 11 September 2024 Turkiishh talk contribs 23,487 bytes +16 No edit summary undo Tag: Reverted

10 September 2024

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24 August 2024

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19 July 2024

• curprev 22:2422:24, 19 July 2024 109.242.185.93 talk 23,427 bytes 0 Not just "some" undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

5 July 2024

• curprev 01:2201:22, 5 July 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs m 23,427 bytes +1 No edit summary undo Tag: Manual revert

3 July 2024

• curprev 20:1320:13, 3 July 2024 2a02:1388:408e:d0f0::a56c:5db0 talk 23,426 bytes −297 Not appropriate undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted references removed Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 18:1018:10, 3 July 2024 151.135.85.166 talk 23,723 bytes +297 There is no logical reason for deletion of deleted resources. undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

30 June 2024

• curprev 19:0519:05, 30 June 2024 2a02:1388:408e:f889::a3e5:2c8b talk 23,426 bytes −301 No edit summary undo Tags: Reverted references removed Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 17:1917:19, 30 June 2024 37.155.207.143 talk 23,727 bytes +300 If you take the trouble to read the links, you can see that the Karamanids are clearly referred to as Turks in all three sources. In addition, if the problem is that the resources are not in English, at least half of the other resources should be removed. undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

29 June 2024

• curprev 18:5018:50, 29 June 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 23,427 bytes −297 Undid revision 1231293170 by 188.3.174.30 (talk) None of these non-English-language sources use the term "Karamanlı Turks" once; again, read MOS:ALTNAME and the relevant discussion in the talk page. undo Tag: Undo

27 June 2024

• curprev 15:1015:10, 27 June 2024 188.3.174.30 talk 23,724 bytes +297 different sources added undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

8 June 2024

• curprev 12:4712:47, 8 June 2024 HistoryofIran talk contribs 23,427 bytes −1,575 rv, pretty sure this is the LTA Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Beyoglou IP jumping. Remember this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karamanlides&diff=prev&oldid=1120173893 undo Tag: Undo

7 June 2024

• curprev 09:4809:48, 7 June 2024 5.47.58.44 talk 25,002 bytes +1,575 No edit summary undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

31 May 2024

• curprev 18:2018:20, 31 May 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 23,427 bytes −1,575 Undid revision 1226038442 by 37.154.85.102 (talk) See my reply in the talk page, again. Also, do not undermine text–source integrity by moving an unrelated inline citation after the content you added. undo Tag: Undo

28 May 2024

• curprev 06:1406:14, 28 May 2024 37.154.85.102 talk 25,002 bytes +1,575 Is it a personal favor when adding sources here, or is this really a platform where different opinions can be presented? Because this does not correspond to any objective action, it is more subjective. undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit

23 May 2024

• curprev 16:0216:02, 23 May 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 23,427 bytes +1 Manual rv of the other IP as well (diff); please, do not add original research. undo
• curprev 15:4815:48, 23 May 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 23,426 bytes −1,806 Manual rv of IP. Neither of these two sources (plus one duplicate) are in English; nor do they establish this as a significant alternative name; nor do they actually use the term "Karamanlı Turks" once; see MOS:ALTNAME. These two sources only concern the disputed origin of the Karamanlides, which is already summarized in the lead; per MOS:LEAD. See talk page as well. undo

22 May 2024

• curprev 19:0419:04, 22 May 2024 AnomieBOT talk contribs 25,232 bytes +269 Fixing reference errors and rescuing orphaned refs ("Ilıcak" from rev 1225133148) undo
• curprev 16:5916:59, 22 May 2024 Μίλαν talk contribs m 24,963 bytes −604 No edit summary undo Tags: Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit Advanced mobile edit
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• curprev 15:3615:36, 22 May 2024 2a02:4e0:2d36:aa7:67eb:82e1:2c67:32a4 talk 26,388 bytes +1,445 Firstly, the person cited as the source for this is Erhan Afyoncu, a very popular historian of archiving. Although his main area of ​​expertise is Ottoman history, he is also competent on Anatolian principalities and the Seljuks. Another source cited belongs to a Bulgarian researcher, so he is neither Turkish nor Greek. If you are going to label the theses you don't like as "propaganda", then let's delete them by claiming that the claims that they are Greek are actually "propaganda". Maybe ne... undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 15:3415:34, 22 May 2024 37.6.40.162 talk 24,943 bytes −2 →Origins undo
• curprev 14:0414:04, 22 May 2024 2a02:586:7425:4b19:a56a:2ed4:62f8:5030 talk 24,945 bytes −67 Why mods allow propaganda? undo Tags: Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 14:0014:00, 22 May 2024 2a02:586:7425:4b19:a56a:2ed4:62f8:5030 talk 25,012 bytes −114 This is not a place to post random internet articles. Footnotes should reference only credible scholars. undo Tags: extraneous markup Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 13:5613:56, 22 May 2024 2a02:586:7425:4b19:a56a:2ed4:62f8:5030 talk 25,126 bytes +1 The traditional view among scholars outside Greece and Turkey is that Karamanlides were Turkish speaking Greeks. It is important to be neutral but it is also important to recognise the traditional view among scholars. undo Tags: Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 13:5013:50, 22 May 2024 2600:1002:b178:9560:0:55:aea:5b01 talk 25,125 bytes +12 Undid revision 1225118909 by 2A02:586:7425:4B19:A56A:2ED4:62F8:5030 (talk) Removal of the reference section undo Tag: Undo
• curprev 13:4313:43, 22 May 2024 2a02:586:7425:4b19:a56a:2ed4:62f8:5030 talk 25,113 bytes −12 Propaganda footnote witch doesn't provide any proof about the theory. Also the scholar presenting isn't credible. undo Tags: Reverted section blanking Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 13:1613:16, 22 May 2024 2a02:586:7425:4b19:a56a:2ed4:62f8:5030 talk 25,125 bytes −71 →Origins: Arnold J. Toynbee's views on the origins of the Karamanlides reflect a broader ambiguity rather than a definitive stance. In his works, he recognized the complex nature of the Karamanlides' identity, noting that they were a Greek Orthodox people who spoke Turkish. This linguistic assimilation led to debates about whether they were ethnically Greek who had adopted the Turkish language or Turks who had maintained their Greek Orthodox faith. Toynbee suggested that the Karamanlides... undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
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• curprev 06:1406:14, 22 May 2024 5.177.229.202 talk 25,072 bytes +2 Fixed typo undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
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20 May 2024

• curprev 22:1322:13, 20 May 2024 37.6.40.162 talk 23,498 bytes −14 This revision removes redundancy and makes the sentence flow more smoothly. undo
• curprev 09:3009:30, 20 May 2024 37.6.46.9 talk 23,512 bytes +23 Accurately summarising how how Evliya Celebi described them. undo

11 May 2024

• curprev 22:3522:35, 11 May 2024 37.6.42.9 talk 23,489 bytes −32 →Origins: Evliya Çelebi did not explicitly state that the Karamanlıs were of Turkish origin. Instead, he primarily focused on their adoption of Turkish language and culture while retaining their Greek Orthodox faith. His writings suggest that the Karamanlıs formed a unique cultural group within the Ottoman Empire, blending elements of both Turkish and Greek heritage. undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit

6 May 2024

• curprev 15:0915:09, 6 May 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 23,521 bytes −71 Undid revision 1222348403 by 46.190.82.160 (talk) WP:OR undo Tag: Undo

5 May 2024

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5 February 2024

• curprev 14:0014:00, 5 February 2024 Unkownsolidier talk contribs 23,519 bytes 0 In correct place undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit

4 February 2024

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29 January 2024

• curprev 20:3420:34, 29 January 2024 Demetrios1993 talk contribs 22,010 bytes −33 Undid revision 1200155564 by Squeaks 41 (talk) It lacks verifiability. undo Tag: Undo