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Not In my name (protest In India) was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 9 August 2017 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Cow vigilante violence in India. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2019

This edit request to Cow vigilante violence in India since 2014 has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Adding an incident of cow vigilante violence in India that happened in May 2019

A couple and two men were thrashed by a group for allegedly carrying beef in an autorickshaw at a village in Madhya Pradesh. In a video of the incident shot by an eyewitness on a mobile phone, the woman was seen being hit repeatedly with a slipper on her head, covered with a piece of cloth, as she curled up on the gravel and took the blows in silence from the attacker.^[1] Analyzer21 (talk) 07:30, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Analyzer21:. Updated. Thanks for the info.--Nessie (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "On Video, Woman Among 3 Thrashed over Beef Rumour in Madhya Pradesh".

Targeted Harrasment

This page must be deleted as this is a clear cut vendetta against Hindus. Raazankeet (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Raazankeet: can you be specific? --Nessie (talk) 15:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is not. Zezen (talk) 20:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to "Cow vigilante violence in India". There was consensus to move the page and this seemed the most appropriate title, including earlier violence in India but excluding violence in other countries. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:00, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cow vigilante violence in India since 2014 → Cow vigilante violence – WP:NAMINGCRITERIA says that a title should be no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. WanderingWanda (talk) 21:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Panda619 (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It seems like this article was split off from an overly-long subsection of Cow protection movement#Violence. That section has considerable content about cow vigilante violence going back hundreds of years which is not currently covered in Cow vigilante violence in India since 2014. If this move were to take place, it should probably also involve migrating that pre-2000's content from Cow protection movement, leaving behind a summary. In addition to adding the additional events under the Incidents of violence section, this would also require some considerable rewriting to this article's intro and other sections such as "Background and history" and "Laws, state support, and legal issues". Colin M (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Cow vigilante violence in India - I agree that the current title is awkward. While the current wave is significant, I do not see a reason to separate it from the earlier history, and support Colin M's suggestion to migrate information from Cow protection movement#Violence. I think having this information together would serve readers better. However, I think including Myanmar and Sri Lanka in the article would make the article unweildy and links to the relevant sections would suffice. --Nessie (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge with Bhartiya Gau Raksha Dal

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The result was not merged. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The near-entire corpus of coverage about this organisation stems from the locus of vigilante lynching. A merge is sought per WP:NOPAGE. ∯WBG^converse 14:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Absent any objection within the next 48 hours, I will execute the merge. ∯WBG^converse 16:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge. It is fringe group involved in voilence.ScholarM (talk) 14:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly merge or delete. Jamailfaroukh (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support agree with the nomination. User:Winged Blades of Godric Please proceed. --DBig Xrayᗙ 09:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bhartiya Gau Raksha Dal is an organisation name, this article has the wiki norms, any reason for merging. Two subject are independent.DRIS92 (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support The organization is directly involved with vigilantism. Not relevant enough to warrant it's own article. Merge it. Dellwood546 (talk) 19:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge; Bhartiya Gau Raksha Dal has a remit of cow protection and care, including, for example, first aid. Its activities do not lay exclusively or primarily within the scope of Cow vigilante violence in India. The extensive referenced coverage of the organization suggests independent notability. Klbrain (talk) 21:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge, Bhartiya Gau Raksha Dal involving in cow vigilantism is no justification for merge. No evidence that the organization is exclusive to vigilantism. There is also, for example, guidance and support in the construction of protective shelters for cattle, supporting cattle protection movements etc among other things.--Ab207 (talk) 16:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge, one is an organisation and one is a general trend. AnomalousAtom (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Biased lead and missing info about victims

The title of this article is Cow vigilante violence in India and the first sentence justify that cow is sacred and is venerated. Rather it should be on directly on Cow vigilante violence in India not on Cow but on violence. This is looking like justifying the violence.

Secondly, when there is separate heading and detailed info about preparators of the violence then the article must address who are victims and what is their background? Thirdly, I am adding this which throws light on the background.

While India has a fairly wide Cow Protection Act that bars the slaughter of female cows and calves, many areas have permitted slaughter of bulls and bullocks for centuries. Hindu religion has no doctrinal proscriptions against the consumption of beef in particular, although it has borrowed heavily from Jainism in the last century, arguing that the concept of ahimsa (nonviolence) forbids such slaughter and consumption of beef. Violence is exacted upon those who would dare eat beef—notably Muslims and lower castes—further politicizing the issue. ^[1]. I hope this will satisfy neutral editors.ScholarM (talk) 14:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The existing first sentence of the article looks fine as it is to me -- it would be odd not to mention from the outset the justification for the violence.

"Violence is exacted upon those who would dare eat beef" seems rather flowery wording to me. What wording does the cited source use for this fact? MPS1992 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gittinger, Juli L. "The Rhetoric of Violence, Religion, and Purity in India’s Cow Protection Movement." Journal of Religion and Violence (2017).

I have tried adding details of newer incidents, but my edits are being reverted.

Since there is no specific law in India which defines "Cow Vigilantism", the cases which are highlighted by the media being labelled as "Cow Lynching" have been discussed here. On the same basis I added 3 more incidents which occured during October and November to the list but these edits were reverted on the basis of Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing However the same rulebook mentions that Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting, so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text. So I don't see the reason for the reverts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guglusharma (talk • contribs)

Again, please sign your comments so that it is visible who said what when. Anyway, it wasn't just close paraphrasing, it was an outright copyvio. Supplanting parts of it with especially poor English, is no better. Please do better. Best thing you can do is not to paraphrase at all and just write your own original prose. El_C 02:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence is not a sentence

User:El_C Why did you revert my edits? The first sentence is not a sentence: "Cow vigilante violence involves mob attacks in the name of "cow protection" targeting mostly illegal cow smugglers, but in some cases even licensed cow traders, has swelled since 2014" You also removed links. AnomalousAtom (talk) 08:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to change the lead sentence —the most important sentence— in such a controversial article, you need to gain consensus to change such longstanding text, especially if you remove mention to "mob attacks." El_C 08:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My edit didn't remove "mob attacks". It defined the term in the first sentence and put the "since 2014" mob attacks in the second sentence. It also added "India", which the article does not mention until the 3rd sentence. AnomalousAtom (talk) 08:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it defined it, so much as relegated it to the following sentence. Anyway, I don't really have an opinion in this matter. I am acting as an uninvolved admin enforcing the IPA discretionary sanction here. I don't wish to come across as someone who is objecting to an edit on the basis of no consensus alone, but when it comes to the lead sentence of such a controversial article, I do expect some (any) discussion to take place. Anyway, if there are no objections to the change in, say, a week, you may restore it on the basis of WP:SILENCE. El_C 16:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks AnomalousAtom (talk) 06:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. AnomalousAtom (talk) 20:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Not In My Name ( Protest In India)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Not In My Name ( Protest In India). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 7#Not In My Name ( Protest In India) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "On Video, Woman Among 3 Thrashed over Beef Rumour in Madhya Pradesh".

[2] Gittinger, Juli L. "The Rhetoric of Violence, Religion, and Purity in India’s Cow Protection Movement." Journal of Religion and Violence (2017).

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