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Revision as of 13:01, 16 March 2021

Former good article nomineeWoodrow Wilson was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 19, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
January 30, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
May 15, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
June 15, 2008Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee

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GAN nomination

Just a quick glance at this article is sufficient to reveal that its organization leaves something to be desired, noticeably the "Legacy" section overlaps its scope with "Assessment and Legacy" of race relations. The article also would benefit from more aggressive summary style. Couldn't some of the content be broken out to Woodrow Wilson and race or similar? (t · c) buidhe 12:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

buidhe I am one of the primary editors on the Race section. I still consider it a work in progress and I have been intending for a while to address the the "Legacy" and "Assessment and Legacy" issue. I am open to suggestions, are you proposing a separate article be created solely to address Wilson's record on race? OgamD218 (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OgamD218, It's a topic that meets notability, so I definitely think it should be created. That way all the content can be preserved but summary style will make sure that only the parts that are DUE are covered in this top-level article. (t · c) buidhe 06:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
buidhe I have to double check and circle back but I'm pretty there is still a fair amount of material I researched to be added, but what you're saying is that coverage of this topic is already too lengthy, for the main page at least. Do you have any other basic or more specific suggestions for how to go about editing this content? OgamD218 (talk) 06:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OgamD218, Yes. The article is already 88 kb which is probably too long according to WP:Article size, even though it doesn't even mention many of the major foreign policy issues of Wilson's time (eg. Armenia). So I would definitely encourage you to move some of the content about race issues to a dedicated sub-article, sort of like Racial views of Winston Churchill but covering both Wilson's views and policies. (t · c) buidhe 06:58, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
buidhe Ok. Do you think I should consider moving some content to the Presidency of Woodrow Wilson page? Or do you recommend I actually move much of the race related content from there to a new page specifically on Wilson and race as we've been discussing? (As an aside, I will attempt to add some coverage of Wilson and the Armenia issue to the main article). OgamD218 (talk) 07:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OgamD218, The presidency article is almost as long so I wouldn't recommend adding content to it. That's why I think a stand-alone article for race issues would be best. (t · c) buidhe 07:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
there is a danger in including political news that does not relate to WW--it means readers give him less attention, or are misled into thinking he was responsible for those events. So I trimmed material on income taxes and farming laws. Rjensen (talk) 07:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have just removed The great Jay's out-of-process GA nomination. According to the GA nomination instructions, Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination, which has not been done. I don't know whether the issues pointed out by buidhe earlier have all been addressed, but if not, then the nomination was surely premature. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My comments have been partly addressed, but at over 80kb I would be looking for ways to more concisely summarize aspects of his life, perhaps spinning off some content into subarticles such as Early life of Woodrow Wilson or Academic career of Woodrow Wilson, in order to meet the GA requirement of being sufficiently focused. I would trim the race material even more now that there's a separate article on it. (t · c) buidhe 02:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Im gonna try to make sure that my GA nomination doesn't go out of order. Blue Jay (talk) 08:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
buidhe Are you suggesting a new page specific towards Wilson's pre-political life or parts of it at least, even if that page would, temporarily at least, be a mirror of the relevant sections now found on the main page? Assuming time does not permit for conducting specific research, especially while GA is still pending and the focus would be on editing down those sections here before progressing to anything substantial on the new mirror page? OgamD218 (talk) 12:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Such an article would enable preserving the information while reducing the length of the overview article per summary style. For example, there is Early life of Winston Churchill and other articles dedicated to periods of Churchill's life. (t · c) buidhe 17:31, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a consensus now that the page is ready for GAN review? BlueMoonset , Rjensen , Politicsfan4 and buidhe. OgamD218 (talk) 03:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection. Although I still think the article should be more concise, it probably isn't an issue with GA criteria at this point. (t · c) buidhe 03:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am negative. There is too much about actions of various federal agencies that Wilson did not monitor (esp when he was incapacitated) (eg most of the sections on "Ratification debate " and "Demobilization and First Red Scare" ). There is too much use of lightweight polemical sources (like # 298 thru 301 when solid scholarship is available like #302 and #303). If WW did not handle a certain matter it should be kept VERY short or moved to the presidency article or dropped. Rjensen (talk) 04:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I'd say a little more work is needed prior to nomination. For example, cite 48 causes an error, the lead section has more than four paragraphs (see MOS:LEADLENGTH, a section of the MOS:LEAD required in the GA criteria) and its final paragraph is just a single sentence. There are also occasional typos, such as "U.S" and "PH.D". I can't speak to the quality of the sources, since I haven't had time to read more closely. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rjensen I agree work needs to be done to reduce some the length of those areas. BlueMoonset I merged the one sentence paragraph into the first, the lead all told is now only 4 paragraphs and shorter than that of the main page of most other two-term US Presidents. I'm not sure what your issue with Cite 48? It is too a book page, not a link, are you sure that's the one you meant? OgamD218 (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OgamD218, the cite was fixed after I posted about it in this edit by another editor. So it's all set. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2021

Change "His his first term was largely devoted to pursuing passage" to "His first term was largely devoted to pursuing passage". Omnises (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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