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Portland Police Association

Hi all -- I'd like to get some opinions about creating an article for the Portland Police Association. While doing some tangential editing, I learned that most police unions are local, municipality-sized, and most don't affiliate with larger unions. Portland's union is the oldest continuously operating police union in the U.S., since 1942, and they were an AFL affiliate (local 456) in the early years. There's certainly notability in extensive coverage, its involvement in lawsuits, and like that. On the other hand, it can't be said to have a national presence or influence, and it only has 900 members. Ideas? Thanks. --Lockley (talk) 23:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Lockley: I did a quick check on newspapers.com and found a 1945 stance tha PPA took on the film "Dillinger" (they didn't like it) that brought responses in newspapers from Vancouver, BC, Victoria, BC, Great Falls, MT, Provo, UT, and Indianapolis, IN. I'll clip those this evening, and look for more recent pieces , too. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Grand'mere Eugene: and thanks for the response. After mulling it over a bit, I'm not sure an article on the PPA could withstand a notability challenge. They may not be big enough in members or in impact for separate coverage. (Too bad, I was going to award them a Category:American film critics associations for that review of Dillinger.) --Lockley (talk) 23:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

If written and researched properly, it certainly could withstand such a challenge. The thing to look out for is that many (most?) news stories refer to it in a more generic way, e.g. "Portland police union" or even just "Portland police" (with the context making it clear that it means the union, not the bureau). I'd be happy to work on such an article. There's plenty of sourcing available. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Peteforsyth: and thanks for the encouragement. After some thought, I've added a short section on the PPA into Portland Police Bureau. A separate article on the union may not be defensible, but it certainly belongs in coverage of the department. That contract sets work conditions, procedures, etc. in detail and is essential to understanding the department's behavior and relationship to the city. There's a lot to say about this union, and now a place for interested parties, like yourself (smile), to put it. Plus their review of the film "Dillinger". @Grand'mere Eugene: was right -- they panned it. --Lockley (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lockley: Cool, I'll take a look at what you did and pitch in a bit myself this weekend. I was thinking about this last night, and I ended up thinking maybe we should have one short article on PPA, one short article on PPB, one short article on the MultCo sheriff, and then put most of the work into an article like Law enforcement in Portland, Oregon that can discuss them all. More work, but probably more useful to the reader too. Thoughts on that approach? (This reminds me, some years ago we discussed an article on Racism in Oregon but decided that a broader topic like Race and ethnicity in Oregon would be a better anchor topic. But in the meantime, I see somebody has thankfully taken the initiative to start the article. Not sure if it's been discussed here yet, but that's another one I'm planning to work on this weekend.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: that sounds like a good long-term approach. Let's see how much material develops organically; that'll help guide where it goes. (There's actually material in Racism in Oregon that might belong in Portland Police Bureau.) --Lockley (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth and Lockley: I left a list of clippings here. I won't be offended if you find them useless! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Elk (sculpture)

(sigh) The Elk (sculpture) was set on fire last night. :( ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Update: https://www.koin.com/news/protests/fire-set-at-elk-fountain-in-downtown-portland-causes-little-damage/ ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

We can't have nice things. :( https://katu.com/news/local/crews-remove-fountain-that-once-served-as-elk-statues-base ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Project importance: George Floyd protests

I'd like to suggest that the George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon and George Floyd protests in Oregon should be increased to "high," or even "top" importance in this project's rankings. The NY Times suggested that nationwide, these demonstrations may constitute the largest movement in U.S. history.[1] That was almost two weeks ago, and the protests have continued daily since then. Portland has been the site of many prominent events within that movement, including the Burnside Bridge "die-in," prominent tension between federal and U.S. law enforcement, assaults of citizens and journalists by police leading to an ACLU lawsuit, reduction of the Police Bureau budget, etc. For context, I'd note that Vortex I is rated "high." Might be worth looking at some other demonstration articles in Oregon history too.

My inclination is that we should consider these events both "high" importance at the moment, and revisit whether they should be classified as "top" importance in a few months. Any objections? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

More data points: Albina Riot of 1967 is "high importance" and 2016 Portland, Oregon riots is "mid-importance" for WP: Oregon. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

The Women's March on Portland article is currently rated "low importance" which I think also needs an upgrade. This is an event that drew an explicit comparison in the national NY Times article. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Top importance should be reserved for a handful of the most vital articles on the project subject, and I don't believe that we can place the recent protests there until its lasting impact is seen. There's quite a few Top-Class articles in the Oregon category that don't seem to meet the criteria laid out at the Wikiproject grading scale that should be trimmed eventually. Sounder Bruce 07:15, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with you about these articles and the "top" rating at the moment, especially after a bit of reflection. But still think it will be worth reconsidering once there's a bit of distance: if these continue to be a daily event, and generate headlines on topics as wide-ranging as reform to local, state, and federal laws and policies, impact on policing tactics, public art, organizing strategies, etc., it may turn out to look very substantial in the rear-view mirror. But it's always tough to assess these things in the moment. Would you object to a "high" rating for now? And maybe upgrading the Women's March to "mid" and downgrading Vortex I to "mid"?

Regarding WP:WikiProject Oregon/Assessment standards more generally, (a) I agree that none of these match the language very well, but I think that's more a flaw with the generic language (which I think was just copied from a general assessment page, though Aboutmovies may remember differently). But also (b) that page advises that about 1% of articles assessed by this project should carry "top" importance. As of now, 105 are "top" out of about 20,000 articles. So by that metric, we could more or less double the number of "top" assessed articles and still be in line with our goals.

Happy to discuss this general stuff more if you like, but maybe it'd be good to start a new heading if so? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

The importance ratings were not copied from elsewhere, I think I mainly made it up, though based to an extent on similar importance ratings from other projects. There may have been some input over the last almost 15 years to change it a little. If Vortex I is top, I don't think it should be.

The current protests also should not be top, way too much recent-ism. High may even be a bit too high (no pun intended), until/unless there is real reform. The 99%/occupy Wall Street protests went on for a long time too, what did those accomplish as to a lasting impact? And not to get similarly snarky, but what exactly did the women's march (which was part of a larger national event) accomplish? The special session in Salem that just wrapped did little as to BLM types of issues, maybe more will happen with the proposed second special session. The protests from the 60s-70s went on for years (maybe not daily) and those eventually helped to get us out of the war, but as a general proposition for a protest to make into a high or top category in the project we really need a lasting impact, and do any of the protests noted above have that? Will the BLM one have that in time, we don't know yet. Hopefully we can look back on this in 10 years and say things actually changed, but I don't think we can say that now as to the BLM protests, and I don't think we can say that at all about the other protests noted above (sans the Alberta riots that I simply lack knowledge about).

As a larger project issue, yes, there should at this point be more Top level as the number of articles has grown. I know in the past we have re-evaluated and voted on moving some, and if the project was more active it might be a good idea again. For instance Damian Lillard is low, but he was not on our radar 14 years ago, and now arguable the greatest Blazer of all time, probably should move up. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Aboutmovies, good overview. I agree that "real reform" is one of the useful metrics for this stuff, and it's one of the reasons I feel this should be "high" -- a number of real impacts have already been well documented (the $15M reduction in PPB funding being the most notable). There have been plenty of national stories about how the impact distinguishes these demonstrations from other recent ones, local ones can take a bit more digging and may not exist yet. But you're right that more time will help clarify these things, and I'm satisfied just bumping it to "mid" for the time being. Meanwhile, I'd really urge others to jump in over there -- just today the Portland article has a talk page message of an "urgent" need to update it with the latest aspect drawing much national attention, so I'm heading over there to work on that. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 13:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Aboutmovies. These protest events need time to playout before they can be assessed as High or Top importance. Also, don't think we should re-score articles as Top importance just to reach 1% target. In my opinion, vast/vast majority of Top/High priority subjects were published in Wikipedia years ago. Now, almost evrything that's being added is Low importance including lots of marginal subjects. Don't think adding 100 new Low importance articles means something automatically becomes Top importance just to fill 1% quota.--Orygun (talk) 07:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

The Promised Land

The Promised Land has been removed from Portland's Plaza Blocks:

---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Wall of Moms

Improvements welcome on Wall of Moms. These women are fierce AF. --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

"Albina District" vs. just "Albina"

With the MAX Yellow Line scheduled for TFA on August 11, I would like to include a see also for the article Albina District, Portland, Oregon and possibly do some substantial expansion of it should time permit. A majority of sources I've come across so far call this area just "Albina" rather than "Albina District". I'm well aware of the former city Albina, Oregon. I still think a move request to just Albina, Portland, Oregon is warranted. Thoughts much appreciated. --truflip99 (talk) 07:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Based on my personal experience, I agree that Albina, Portland, Oregon would be the better title. (I'd want to review some sources before I have a lot of confidence in that position, though.) I'd suggest leaving a note at Talk:Albina District, Portland, Oregon as well prior to making a move. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I've initiated the request move in the talk page. Hoping some editors could provide feedback. Thanks! --truflip99 (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

New editor massively restructuring Eugene article

Help needed at Eugene, Oregon article. I had just welcomed a new editor today, and half hour later noticed in the article history about 30 edits marked as "minor" that amount to restructuring lasrge sections of text, not in the order recommended at WP:CITSTRUCT. I'm on to other projects today, but will check back this eveneing. Help if you have time — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

It probably needed it. I wonder if it's someone I know... Hi, I'm around, but you know how I am. Shh don't scare me away. Valfontis (talk) 14:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:Hispanic and Latino American people in Oregon politics

Created this category. Added some but there are definitely some I didn't catch. Kingofthedead (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I started 2020 Oregon wildfires

Check it out if interested. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 15:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

That subject line... Thanks though. Valfontis (talk) 14:39, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The Holiday Farm Fire in the McKenzie Valley has likely destroyed the town of Blue River, Oregon and the ~~Goodpasture Covered Bridge~~ (maybe, needs better sourcing), and also the buildings at Belknap Hot Springs. Cited info needed to update those articles. There are probably more people and things affected. Not sure I have the heart to work on it tonight. Valfontis (talk) 00:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah...don't make us report you Peregrine... -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, Vida, Oregon is a total loss, per the Eugene Weekly. Valfontis (talk) 00:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Someone has changed the tense for Blue River and Vida from "is" to "was". I think that is a bit of a dramatic overreaction to the news. There has been no discussion of rebuilding or not; both of these towns have US Post Offices and there's been no statement if they're coming back or not, etc. Thoughts? Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

"Destroyed by fire" means one thing in the media and another in reality. The redwoods were not "destroyed" by recent fires though buildings were lost. Was Paradise, California literally wiped off the face of the earth? If not sourced, it's hyperbole. It's a bit unprecedented in modern times here though, so I understand it somewhat. Also heard Belknap Covered Bridge is done, per Eugene Weekly. Valfontis (talk) 02:53, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

We are going to have to wait for detailed news coverage before changing verb tenses on any of these places. Patience. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Jonesey. If a bridge is destroyed, and we have good sourcing, it seems uncontroversial to shift to the past tense. If a town is burned, it might be referred to as "destroyed" by one publication, at one time, but otherwise in another publication or later date. I too urge caution in changing to the past tense in such cases, except maybe with explicit attribution (e.g. "...is a town...that, according to the Metro Press, was destroyed...") -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, I just saw a post on my Facebook feed, with a photo of the covered bridge (and atmospheric smoke, and emergency vehicles), from 17 hours ago. The post also said that the community of Vida was mostly "fine", which conflicts with other fuzzy reports. We definitely do not have reliable sourcing on any of this yet, so let's all just continue to be patient. [edited to add: Here's a government photo of the bridge from 11 hours ago. I personally know the person who is maintaining this Facebook feed, FWIW.] – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for starting this article. Images welcome at commons:Category:2020 wildfires in Oregon. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding to articles to watchlist for verb tense: Talent, Oregon and Phoenix, Oregon. Valfontis (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, Detroit, Oregon and possibly Mehama, Oregon and Mill City, Oregon. Valfontis (talk) 00:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Belknap Hot Springs reports they are fine, and I am pretty unhappy with the Eugene Weekly as a reliable source right now. Valfontis (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Beachie Creek and Lionshead have combined into the Santiam Fire. Valfontis (talk) 00:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

OPB reporter Emily Templeton reporting that Mill City's new HS is likely intact, and only 12-20 homes and businesses destroyed. Hope that's true. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Arbitrary subsection

I need help cleaning up Santiam Fire. The Beachie Creek and Lionshead/P-515 fires had merged and for a time were named Santiam, but they have been restored to their original names. I took out the idea of a separate incident named "Santiam Fire" introduced by one Salem reporter as I can't find it on any official incident lists. I did what I could but I don't think the cites match the stated info now. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 15:58, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion

Resolved

Hyatt Regency Portland (kept)
The Westerly (prodded/unprodded)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:00, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I think this is now Done. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AfD: Ben Simons (politician)

See Ben Simons (politician) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

AfD Keep resulted. Now my question is: should the article be renamed ~~"Benjamin Simons"~~ to reflect he does not plan a career in politics, and to differentiate from Ben Simons? Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Phooey. Benjamin Simons is a British physicist. Suggestions? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I would leave it until he becomes more notable for doing something else. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

More deletion nominations

---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:18, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The Roxy

I've created The Roxy (Portland, Oregon) (which, good news, just re-opened for business!), if project members want to review for copy edits. ~~Also, could I get an assist with the coordinates / infobox map?~~ Happy editing (and eating)! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for help with coordinates/map, Jonesey95! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I've also just created and nominated Delta Cafe for Good status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Please help expand Ron Herndon

I created the stubbiest of stubs at Ron Herndon, which came out of the spy files of PPB. I'm way too many tabs deep to work on it, I'm hoping others will take up the effort. Thankfully the spy files (cited) give a pretty good overview of his accomplishments. I haven't explored Special:WhatLinksHere/Ron_Herndon. tedder (talk) 00:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Tedder, that's been a major gap for a long time. I'm happy to pitch in. He was an editor of the 1980s edition of The Advocate when it was the organ of Black United Front. He was an organizer of marches of thousands of people. He's a fellow Reedie, I think he was well known even while a college student. Glad to dig in this week. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter art in Portland, Oregon

I've created Black Lives Matter art in Portland, Oregon. Have I missed any large mural installations? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Is/was anyone able to take a photograph of the BLM mural in St. Johns? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, have several here -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Peteforsyth, Thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

CC Slaughters

CC Slaughters has announced plans to close indefinitely. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

2 more Portland statues torn down

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/12/columbus-day-protest-roosevelt-lincoln-statues-portland-toppled/5965214002/

Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Portland, Oregon)

Theodore Roosevelt, Rough Rider

---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage

Improvements to Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage welcome. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, I don't worry about DYK hooks anymore, but I think the article qualifies for one if another project member cares to nominate a hook. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Statue of Harvey W. Scott

The statue of Harvey W. Scott was toppled overnight. Article updates welcome. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Article request: Housing in Oregon

Wikipedia readers would be grateful if your project would consider creating a new article about Housing in Oregon. Here are some sources of information:

Category:Housing in Oregon
Housing Needs By State: Oregon, Washington, DC: National Low Income Housing Coalition, retrieved October 26, 2020
"Oregon", COVID-19 Housing Policy Scorecard, Eviction Lab, retrieved October 26, 2020
"Oregon Homelessness Statistics", Usich.gov, Washington DC: U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness, retrieved October 26, 2020
(Oregon+housing), Digital Public Library of America (assorted materials)
(Oregon+housing), UK: Core.ac.uk (assorted materials)
(Oregon+housing), Germany: Base-search.net (assorted materials)

Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Murals of Silverton, Oregon

So much heavy news lately. If you're looking for something a bit lighter, I've just started Murals of Silverton, Oregon. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Eyes on a new bio, and an old one with problems?

Tedder and I have worked on E. D. Mondainé, a Portland pastor and politician and currently the subject of strong allegations, via the Portland Mercury, of perpetrating years of abuse on young members of his church.

Also, I've recently found that the bio of John Sepulvado has been pretty inflated, since it was first written a couple years ago, re: awards he supposedly had some involvement with (claims do not appear to hold up), as well as a founding role with XRAY.FM (appears untrue as well).

I'd appreciate any eyes on these sensitive BLPs, if anybody has a moment to look. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for attending to categories Another Believer!

One more I never mentioned: Kent Ford (activist), founder of the Portland chapter of the Black Panthers, article written recently by Bridges2Information. It's in great shape, but there's probably opportunities to expand and/or weave related content into other articles... -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Just started another, James Buchal - chair of the MultCo Republican Party, seems to have a rising local & national profile. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Pic of Southeast Grind?

Resolved

Sometimes my requests for pics for unillustrated articles are answered. Consider this one for Southeast Grind. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Albany Arts Festival

Albany Arts Festival has been proposed for deletion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

RIP, Pok Pok

https://pdx.eater.com/2020/10/30/21542119/pok-pok-closed

RIP, Pok Pok. :( ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Chloe Eudaly

Hi, please see Talk:Chloe Eudaly. There is a discussion that could use a couple of interested parties on how to structure the article, WP:UNDUE, and so on. tedder (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Photo request: Boxer Ramen

I've created Boxer Ramen. There's only one image at Commons, so additional photographs (preferably of satellite locations) welcome. Stay safe, and happy editing. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Tasty n Alder

For a while, I wasn't sure if Tasty n Alder was closed permanently (there was lots of drama re: owners), but since Toki is taking over the space, I will assume a final closure. Another one bites the dust... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing protest

I created Portland foreclosure protest yesterday and discovered Red House Autonomous Zone was created today. I'm totally open to article improvements, a different page title, etc, but I'm not sure we need two articles about the same topic. I've proposed merging the latter article, which focuses on geography and characteristics of the zone itself, into the former, which I intended to be about the months-long protest overall. I welcome feedback and article improvements from project members, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:48, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Update: The articles have been merged... help wanted at Portland foreclosure protest, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:32, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting Another Believer. It's been a great team effort to address an article that burst onto the national stage and started getting hundreds, even over a thousand, views per day. Pinging Art to Tech as well, who was the first to create an article on the topic…their first Wikipedia article ever! Kudos. Now that the situation is somewhat resolved, it might be nice to have some fresh eyes on it to make sure it tells a coherent story... -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm still working on a condensed history/context/background that is more concise. Learning so much and appreciate the mentoring. Art to Tech (talk) 09:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Image request: Blue Monk / The Liquor Store

Anyone happen to have images for the Blue Monk (Portland, Oregon) or The Liquor Store articles? They both occupied a space along Belmont, but I can't find any images at Wikimedia Commons. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Liquor Store ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Bust of York

I've created a stub for the Bust of York. Worth a visit to Mount Tabor! Improvements welcome. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Municipal Sewage Pumping Station

I'm surprised by the limited amount of information I'm finding about the Municipal Sewage Pumping Station along Tom McCall Waterfront Park, which appears to be an old structure. Do any project members know much about this building, or are there other names I should be searching? "Municipal Sewage Pumping Station" is how Google identifies the station. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I was very confused by the "1952" date on the facade, because it looks like an Art Deco building from a few decades earlier. And then I saw your photo of the other side, which appears to say "1929". Strange that it would have two dates, but 1929 makes a lot more sense. I don't see anything on the web or at newspapers.com. You may have to dig into the Portland newspaper archives. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

There's a fair amount in the Oregonian archives. I'd suggest including "Ankeny" in searches, it seems to have been referred to early on as the Ankeny sewage plant. A March 24, 1927 Oregonian article talks about the effort to build such a station ("City Orders Start on Pumping Plant," p. 18. A $225k bond was (overwhelmingly) passed in 1948 to work on the sewage treatment system. Looks like by the late 1940s there were several sites for sewage treatment; a Jan. 30, 1949 article talked about renovations to the Ankeny plant, presumably part of the bond. Then, according to 9/4/1952 Oregonian article, mobile crane operator Stanford Loy was injured there while working on a construction project. I'd also search the Oregon Journal, I bet they covered it too. Multnomah County Library has both, not sure about other libraries. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 and Peteforsyth: Thanks, both! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I got slightly different results searching Ankeny+pumping and Ankeny+sewage, so I started a stub at Ankeny pumping station and I'm open to other titles based on coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposing a small experiement

Connected with my work on newspapers, sdkb suggested that it would be worthwhile to explore systematically linking newspapers in footnotes (where Wikipedia articles about the newspapers exist). It seems to us this is a largely uncontroversial thing to do; the benefits are apparent, as it helps the reader readily access contextual information about a source, at the moment they are likely to be assessing its quality; still, some concern about overlinking has been expressed. (IMO, this is not a big deal, since the main problem with overlinking is the distracting quality when reading through prose...not an issue in a list of footnotes.)

I think a good way to approach this would be to identify a narrow collection of pages, and then link lots of footnotes within that collection. That way, we will have examples to point to, which will facilitate any discussion of broadening the practice.

I'd like to propose that we agree to link the names of newspapers in articles about Oregon politicians. We could loosely think about a six month window, i.e. now until the beginning of September. In that time, I would use tools like WP:AWB to make semi-automated edits. Others are welcome to join in, or not. It would probably be good to dedicate a talk page to this as a sub-project of WP:WPNEWS, to discuss anything that comes up along the way.

Does this seem reasonable to you? Please say if you have any objections or concerns, or sign your name below if you agree it's worthwhile to give this a try for Oregon politician pages. Pinging a few folks who have worked on lots of these pages in the past, but are not so active in WP:Oregon these days: Esprqii, EncMstr, Valfontis, Finetooth, tedder, Aboutmovies, SJ Morg, Ipoellet, Little Mountain 5, John Abbe, Jsayre64, Llywrch -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Support per the proposal. For the record, previous discussion was here, here, and here. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks - I'd meant to link that most recent discussion, but forgot; but I appreciate you adding the further background that I had missed! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- - Support. Sounds like a good idea, and if successful I'd love to see it exported to newspapers of other states. I'm sure you've already thought about these, but a couple items to bear in mind: it would be nice to make sure citations are/remain historically accurate through use of piped links. I don't know the history of Oregon newspapers, but selecting two prominent examples in my own state, the "newspaper" parameter for a March 3, 1957, article in New England's leading daily newspaper would properly read [[The Boston Globe|Boston Sunday Globe]], and for 1990s non-Sunday journalism in the state's third-largest city you'd cite [[The Republican (Springfield, Massachusetts)|The Union-News]]. Bear in mind that the original editors of the citations may have used the wrong name, particularly when they have done their research on electronic archives such as ProQuest, NewsBank and Newspapers.com, which will sort a newspaper's entire history under only its current (or most recent) name.
    Similarly, note that editors do not always use the |location = parameter, although they should. Many newspapers omit a geographical identifier from their "official" name. There's a well-known daily that ought to be cited as |newspaper=[[New York Daily News|Daily News]] |location=New York, N.Y., but is often found cited as |newspaper=New York Daily News or |newspaper=Daily News (New York City) or |newspaper=N.Y. Daily News or |newspaper=Daily News (N.Y.). Programming all those variations would be a ton of gruntwork but would definitely help Wikipedia, for all the source transparency/context reasons you give above. Even if you only catch some of the unlinked refs, every one will be an improvement. _``` t b w i l l i e _` $1.25 _` 21:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Huh?: Sorry Pete, I don't get it. Would you mind adding an example of what you are proposing? I don't understand how a citation link to a specific news article doesn't already do what is you intend.
Sorry EncMstr, and thanks for asking! Just systematically making a bunch of edits like this one, linking the titles of publications in footnotes to their Wikipedia articles, for articles about Oregon politicians. I appreciate all the suggestions Toll Booth Willie makes, and I can imagine taking some of them on in this process (but not all of them). However, I think those details might be better hashed out at WP:JOURNALISM than here. Basically, all I'm looking for is some WikiProject folks here to say, "sure, it won't hurt anything to try it on this narrow class of articles, and it might even be helpful." I don't think it's too controversial, at least not at this small stage, but I'd like to have some measure of consensus around it before I forge ahead. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I seemed a bit at a tangent. I intended to decrease the number of words of communication. If you simply provide an example of what you mean (and not attempt to describe it), I expect to make more sense of what the question actually is. —EncMstr (talk) 07:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Just systematically making a bunch of edits like this one. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey Pete, Enc, and other WP:ORE pals--I already do that on the articles I create automatically. Is this somehow controversial or are we just going back and cleaning up? I usually link the first reference only. Valfontis (talk) 18:08, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- P.S. There's a typo in the header. Did you miss me? Valfontis (talk) 18:09, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Support. I see how this can be valuable to readers, especially for small or defunct newspapers. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing this for more than just politician articles, as long as we don't overlink to the same article in a reference section. Also, a question: What about old different versions or predecessors of the same newspaper? e.g. the article Constance Meyer cites a lot of old newspaper stories. Is the idea to link Morning Oregonian and The Sunday Oregonian both like that? Jsayre64 (talk) 21:21, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I personally would just link the redirects in accordance with WP:NOTBROKEN (e.g., ''[[The Sunday Oregonian]]'' rather than [[The Oregonian|''The Sunday Oregonian'']]). – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Support easily. Same should be done with academic sources, and any others Wikipedia tends to find reliable. I mean, the web is for linking, and Wikipedia should be not just transparent but achingly forthright about the sources it draws authority from, so adding a link in footnotes is nothing to up the chances that someone learns (or ghod forbid, contributes) more about these sources. --John_Abbe (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Comment: I appreciate all the consideration. Lord Bolingbroke I'm glad you made that point, I would probably have mindlessly piped links like that, but on reflection you're absolutely right (and I say this as somebody who just recently split the Portland Telegram off from the Portland News-Telegram...a perfect example of how the approach you suggest would lead to more durable links.) Valfontis, obviously I left the typo in there just to make sure you'd chime in, eh? Or something :) John_Abbe Yes, I hope that by doing this in a "narrow" way and writing up the results and inviting commentary, we'll pave the way for similar efforts with other content and other kinds of sources...might be something to mention at WikiCite at some point. Anyhow, I'll plan on forging ahead with this in the next few days...and I'll start with a concise description of how I'm going about it, incorporating the ideas brought up here. I'll put that at WP:WPNEWS/Links in footnotes if anybody wants to follow along. Nice to see so many familiar "faces" in this discussion! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 03:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Support, to link the reader to potentially useful information about the source. BD2412 T 06:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Who was L. R. Wheeler?

I was doing some work that led me to look up Ted Wheeler's family. I'm trying to sort out that family (Coleman H. Sr and Jr, then Sam, then Ted) from other Wheelers- I don't think there's any connection between the "coastal Wheelers" (who actually lived in Portland) and the Wheeler County, Oregon Wheelers, for instance. But that led me to a 1922 Portland City Club newsletter (vol 3, number 14) that gives an "L. R. Wheeler" as the "Americanization Bureau" head. Curious if anyone knows who that was. Ted's mom was Leslie and was barely an infant at the time. The age would be about right for his grandfather (Coleman H Wheeler Jr)'s generation, perhaps Jr's wife or a sibling's wife? tedder (talk) 22:16, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Found it in the NRHP nomination of James E. Wheeler House; his younger brother, Lawrence R. Wheeler, ran the Portland News-Telegram. They were a big timber baron family with sketchy fraud charges in 1927 but I don't see a connection to the Ted branch (ahem) yet. James E. and partner Olmstead served some prison time and Olmstead was pardoned by Hoover. Can someone look at pg 372 in MacColl's "Growth of a City" and see if that group is related to Ted? I can't find my copy.tedder (talk) 22:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Tedder, I do not have MacColl's "Growth of a City", but I did use records on Ancestry.com to construct the two family lines, which do not appear to cross. Ted Wheeler's family migrated from Ontario, Canada, to Portland, between 1897 and 1900, and James E.'s family migrated from Smith, Virginia, to Hardens in Clackamas County before 1860. If they have a common ancestor, it would have to have been before 1800, where the records on Ancestry.com become murky. I have more details if you are interested. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 07:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

FYI. You can rule out any connection to Wheeler County family. Henry H. Wheeler, founding father of Wheeler County, was a stage driver/station operator, miner, and farmer. He was born in Massachusetts and came to Oregon in 1857. He had no sons …. so today, there are no descendants with the Wheeler name.--Orygun (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Got my "Growth" book today. John E. Wheeler (aka Jack) led the Trask Timber Company (and McCormick Lumber, Wheeler Pine of K Falls, NW Nat Bank), as did his "much younger brother" Lawrence, who ran the Telegram (into the ground). They were from Pennsylvania. "Wheeler was one of many Ivy League alumni from the East and Middle West who came to Oregon.... Citing the misfortunes of Wheeler and Markle is not meant to imply that all such refugees from the East were propensive crooks. Very few were, or at least very few were caught." Also had a brother William (California timber).

Mentions of Cole/Coley in 'Growth' are related to owning Ross Island Sand and Gravel.

So the Wheeler County peeps weren't related (thanks G'mere and Orygun). Was Coleman/Coley related to John E and Lawrence (who must be LR Wheeler)? Strange coincidence otherwise, they both had timber interests near Tillamook and lived in Portland, though origins are supposedly different. tedder (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tedder: I've found Wikidata a really valuable resource for keeping track of genealogical info. As an example, I've started Wikidata items for each of the brothers, and updated the one for the News-Telegram (as of now, we just have one Wikidata item for the Telegram, the News, and the News-Telegram...that's a whole nother discussion.) Here's one of the brothers, and you can find the other linked there: wikidata:Q105748394. For what it's worth, Find-a-Grave thinks J. E. was John, not James. It seems pretty clear it's the same person, though. Could be useful info if searching obituaries etc. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

This is great, Pete! Wikidata's definitely a nice way to organize this. If I ever get to visit some reference libraries hopefully I'll be able to connect more of this. tedder (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Do we know how E. L. Wheeler, owner of the Waitsburg Times in eastern WA, fits in? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Possibly it's Edgar Louis? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

No, E. L. Wheeler, the editor, was Emerson Lee Wheeler (1878-1942), who was born, married, lived and died in Waitsburg, Walla Walla County, Washington. See this obit (where his first name appears to be misspelled), and this find-a-grave memorial showing his gravestone where his first name is spelled with a single "m". E. L.'s father Charles W. Wheeler was from Missouri; C. W. and his bride moved to Waitsburg before the 1880 census. C. W.'s parents were from Kentucky, according to the 1880 census. I've found no evidence yet that this Wheeler family is connected to any of the other Wheelers who ended up in Oregon. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Cool, thank you for doing that research Grand'mere Eugene! I captured the info you found in this Wikidata item (and removed my speculation from Edgar Louis' item). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

EL Wheeler and the newspaper really rings a bell. I know I have read about that paper, I swear I wrote about it, at least in notes. But I'm not finding it in OGN or the three MacColl books I have handy. tedder (talk) 18:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Blockbuster

Following Stone House and the Ankeny pumping station, here's another new article about a quirky topic:

Blockbuster (Bend, Oregon)

Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

AfD: Gregory Gourdet

Discussion participation welcome: Gregory Gourdet ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Map feature

Template:Central Park map is pretty cool (thanks User:Epicgenius and User:Ɱ)! Would anyone feel comfortable attempting to create similar maps for Oregon sites, perhaps Portland's Tom McCall Waterfront Park or Washington Park? I could also see this being helpful for college campuses. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Assessment request - Aneroid Lake and Protected Edit Request - Hot Articles bot

It may be that no one active is watching the Assessment Request section. I posted in it 6 days ago without any response. I was wondering if I could garner some attention to it if one of you has time to spare?

On the topic of assistance I have made a protected edit request HERE. The "Hot Articles" feed was setup a year ago, but our project uses "pages" and not "articles". Either the project category needs amended or the bot settings needs edited to match. This has kept it from working for a year. It doesn't seem anyone is monitoring that page either so can I ask one of you that can edit the pages get this repaired so it works?

Thanks for the time folks.
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 15:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darryl.P.Pike: I've bumped Aneroid Lake up to B-class for now. I will try to do a more thorough review and leave some comments on the talk page in a bit. Finetooth may be able to provide a more detailed review, this seems right up their alley. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 16:16, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I've left some initial comments on the talk page. C-class might actually be a better rating due to some prose and sourcing issues. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@EncMstr: This (the more general question about hot articles) might be up your alley -- any thoughts? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Stone House

Couldn't help myself: Stone House (Portland, Oregon). Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Last time we considered writing an article about that, I think we got discouraged when we learned it wasn't actually the hideout Balch fled to after killing Stump. Ah well, notable nevertheless, thanks to recent coverage. But I can't forget its more sinister (fake) history. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 03:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

In any case, I think there's a fair amount of confusion and mystery about it, so having something that can dispel that can be helpful. Jason McHuff (talk) 10:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

East Portland Community Center

In addition to the sources I've posted on the article's talk page, a search for "East Portland Community Center" at the Oregonian archives via Multnomah County Library yields 379 results. Worth keeping the stub? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

If somebody makes the effort to write an article that demonstrates notability, maybe. In its present state it looks non-notable to me. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Railway Exchange Building and Huber's Restaurant

Requesting project member feedback at Talk:Railway Exchange Building and Huber's Restaurant whether Railway Exchange Building and Huber's Restaurant should be split into Huber's and Railway Exchange Building or not. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Further discussion and article improvements welcome, but just as an update, I've gone and split the article into Huber's and Railway Exchange Building (Portland, Oregon). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

File:Shriner Portland old.jpg

Just FYI, there's a higher resolution, non watermarked version on The Smithsonian's site, but I'm not sure about copyright: [Shriner's Hospital for Crippled Children, Portland, Oregon | EveryBody: An Artifact History of Disability in America](https://everybody.si.edu/media/839) Jason McHuff (talk) 11:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Odd that it doesn't have a copyright mark! Thanks for the link, but I'm as unsure as you about its copyright status. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I have successfully use the public domain rationale for photos published between 1926 and 1977 without a copyright notice {{PD-US-no notice}}. Since the Shriners Hospital opened in 1924, though, the photo may have been taken in 1924-5. Maybe Aboutmovies can weigh in? Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:46, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I would use the same copyright tag as the currently uploaded one. If there was a copyright notice on it, it likely would have been on the other side of these postcards. Just speculation, but based on the size of the trees in the yard and the growth of the ivy, I would guess it was "painted" 5-10 years after it opened. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

If someone wanted to, they could send a message and ask for the details of the item and what the Smithsonian thinks the copyright is. Jason McHuff (talk) 05:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Article merger

Hi - I'm proposing merging Westmoreland, Portland, Oregon with Sellwood-Moreland, Portland, Oregon. The former doesn't have any sources apart from one that is titled "Sellwood-Moreland". Any objections? --truflip99 (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Truflip99, I would not be surprised if there's enough coverage about this specific area to support a standalone article, but until someone's willing to roll up their sleeves and flesh out this entry and the Sellwood article, I think a merge makes sense. BTW, I'm surprised the Sellwood vs. Sellwood-Moreland debate hasn't received any participation yet. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, best to merge until/unless somebody does the research to turn up independent sources that really treat the two as distinct entities, and captures that in Wikipedia. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Swan Island

I recently published a draft for Swan Island (Oregon). There's a lot more work to be done (I'd like to take it to GA eventually), but it's high time we had a full article on the island. Any edits or suggestions for improvement are welcome. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Regrettably, I don't have any time to help in the foreseeable future, but I agree this was long overdue, and thanks for creating it. SJ Morg (talk) 05:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for creating! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, good addition! I found some reference to Swan Island while researching the Ankeny pumping station (see above), it was one of the sites where a proposed (and I believe implemented) pipe to pump sewage out of downtown was sited in the 1940s. See Talk:Ankeny pumping station for the footnote, etc. Thanks for starting this. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Should Swan Island Industrial Park be merged into it, and maybe Mock's Bottom? It's basically the same thing, and doesn't have a lot more info. P.S. to Pete: Nice to see you still involved with local stuff, since I thought you might have moved on to bigger things. Jason McHuff (talk) 10:50, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mock's Bottom, no. Mock's Bottom is a distinct geographic feature, and information about it could not be effectively merged into the article on Swan Island. I'm not firmly opposed to merging Swan Island Industrial Park, although the article could certainly be expanded; there is a lot of news coverage that is focused on the industrial park rather than Swan Island as a a geographic feature. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Fifty Licks at AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fifty Licks

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fifty Licks has been relisted. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fifty Licks has been relisted yet again... Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Beverly Cleary Importance Review

After Beverly Cleary died recently, I re-read her wiki-bio article...something I had meant to do for a long time. I was surprised that she is listed as MID importance. I think she should be HIGH for sure and would be excellent candidate for TOP level importance rating. While there probably aren’t many Wiki-editors who regularly read her books, her audience is vast (91 million copies sold worldwide) AND her books are all set in northeast Portland. For comparison, Wiki-Oregon team has given Ken Kesey TOP importance rating. While Cleary’s books are VERY different from his, as an author, I think she has had an equally significant impact of Oregon. I’d like to upgrade Cleary’s importance rating to TOP (or at least HIGH). Do any of you have thoughts, comments, or recommendations on that?--Orygun (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to see the assessment bumped to TOP, but I confess my bias: my sons read many of her books, and named the thin stray dog we rescued from a beach south of San Francisco, "Ribsy". Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I’d support the upgrade to either HIGH or TOP. She was a very prolific author and has had a huge impact on YA/children’s literature. —Kbabej (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Worth remembering that the importance is intended to reflect her importance specific to Oregon. Worth considering whether there's a significant difference between Kesey and Cleary in that regard. I had thought Kesey was a founder of Oregon Country Fair, but it looks like I might have been mistaken. I think "High" is a no-brainer, and "Top" may be reasonable. Seems that she lived in California from the 1960s on, maybe a consideration. Side note, I just checked, and Ursula K. Le Guin is listed as "low importance" on this project, which seems even more of a problem…and Jean Auel is only mid- as well. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion: Since clear standards can make it easier to manage the tens of thousands of articles related to Oregon, I'd propose that any author of one of "The 100 Oregon Books" (list by the Oregon Cultural Heritage Commission) should be assumed to be "high importance" as a baseline (and could be adjusted from there based on individual considerations). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Newspapers

Wikipedia's coverage of newspapers in Oregon. Each dot represents a newspaper that has a Wikidata entry. Red dots do not have an article on English Wikipedia; yellow and green dots have an article, and the green ones include an infobox. (This representation is somewhat approximate, as some dots represent multiple newspapers in a city, and rather arbitrarily assign a color in cases where some do and some don't have an article.)

Wikipedia's coverage of newspapers in Utah.

Wikipedia's coverage of newspapers in Portland, Oregon.

Wikipedia's coverage of newspapers in Salt Lake City.

I'd like to point out some things about Wikipedia's coverage of newspapers. We've recently completed the second phase of the News On Wiki campaign; you might be interested in my partner Sherry Antoine's blog post summing up our work on the Misinfocon website.

Briefly, what we've been doing is trying to improve Wikipedia's coverage of smaller newspapers, to help readers better assess the quality of a news outlet. In phase one in 2018 I focused heavily on Oregon (which was already in pretty good shape); the maps here show you how we compare to Utah, a state where there has not yet been a focused effort. Our main working theory (supported by published research) is that when people do a web search on an unfamiliar newspaper's name, they're likely to encounter information published on Wikipedia (regardless of whether they visit Wikipedia themselves), and it will help them form a judgment about whether or not it's a trustworthy news source.

The deletion discussion noted above, about a Top Chef contestant, does a nice job of highlighting the importance of this work. The Portland Business Journal is a newspaper that doesn't have a Wikipedia article. Prompted by that discussion, I highlighted some points about the Business Journal on our WikiProject page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Reference desk#Newspapers

The campaign has produced a page that may be of particular interest to Oregon Wikipedians, and whose purpose overlaps with the page linked above: Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/States/Oregon This page lists (a) reference materials that have information about Oregon newspapers, and (b) Oregon newspapers that may still need a Wikipedia article. If anybody has ideas about how to best integrate this content with our WikiProject pages, I'd love to hear it; or any feedback about the campaign (which we hope to continue for other states in the near future). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Clear Lake

I found this great image on Flickr taken of "Clear Lake", taken by OSU. I'd like to add it somewhere, but I have no idea which Clear Lake it is. Any ideas? Thanks. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, a nice shot! My guess would be the headwaters of the McKenzie, which I think is a pretty well known "Clear Lake", and for which the Doug Fir scenery looks about right...but it's just a guess. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, based on the geotag, that's Clear Lake (Linn County, Oregon), a beautiful place to go for a hike in September, when the vine maple leaves turn red. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks all for the help. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oregon Scenic Images

I recently became aware of the Oregon State Archives Scenic Images, a collection of excellent photos by Gary Halvorson. Even better: the entire collection is accessible on WikiMedia, via Category:Scenic images of Oregon, organized by county, all uploaded already with CC-bySA copyright. If you write about places/rivers/buildings in Oregon, you may find treasures there. Free! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

What a great resource! Thank you! --Kbabej (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Public transportation

I'm surprised Category:Public transportation in the United States by city does not have an article or subcategory for Portland! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month again (Oregon Women of Achievement)

While the name "Collaboration of the Month" may have turned into a bit of a joke around here, I do think having an area of focus (whether or not it changes on a regular basis) is important. And since it's Women's History Month (admittedly late in the month), I thought a nice easy one to swap in would be the women listed at the Oregon Women of Achievement award article. Lots of redlinks, and probably many opportunities for expansion, too. Any thoughts? Should I add it to our front page and template? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I'm in. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Rather than let more of March slip away, I've now updated the {{WikiProject Oregon collab}} template. I also added a link to the 1928 book Women of the West, which hass been the collaboration of the month at Wikisource, and which we're discussing a bit at WT:Women in Red. For those with a more historical bent to their interests. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Just a sub-stub for now (hope to revisit later), but there's now a dedicated page for Lisa Schroeder. Figured a stub was at least better than a redirect to Mother's Bistro. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Stub started for anti-poverty advocate Jerralynn Ness. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Added start-level Nancy Golden. Looking for image... Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:14, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I just created a page - Lynn Peterson (American politician) - she's Metro President. Thank you Pete Forsyth for your help. (I'm new and sometimes forget my signature :) Art to Tech (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Posted Gretchen Schuette-- also needs image...Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 21:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

This is all great stuff. Pinging Gobonobo in case you didn't see this. Thanks for creating the navigation template for the Oregon Women of Achievement all those years ago -- it's a great resource for the ongoing work reflected here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I've posted an invitation to collaborate with us at WikiProject Women in Red. Why not? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Another Believer, & it worked - I've just helped out with Y. Sherry Sheng! Lajmmoore (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Lajmmoore, Wonderful, thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

+ Kathryn Jones Harrison ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Belmont Goats

Aw, I miss the Belmont Goats! (Talk:Goat Blocks) Would anyone happen to have a picture of them? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Cascadia Bioregional Party at AfD

I noticed Cascadia Bioregional Party is at AfD if any project members want to weigh in. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Old images from Pacific Monthly

Happy June, all. Thought you might enjoy (and/or have ideas for where to place) some of the images I've been converting from the early (~1897-1915) issues of The Pacific Monthly. It's slow going, but there's already a decent collection, with more to come. See: commons:Category:The Pacific Monthly volume 1, commons:Category:The Pacific Monthly volume 2, commons:Category:The Pacific Monthly volume 3. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Old Town Chinatown

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I've started a new discussion about possibly forking out separate pages for Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District and the Portland New Chinatown/Japantown Historic District. The current Old Town Chinatown article would be an overview of the neighborhood and general and briefly describe the 2 historic districts, but by having separate pages we could have much more detail about the individual districts and contributing properties. I invite project members to please weigh in or even help with forking content if you feel inclined. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

2021 Pacific Northwest heat wave

Stay cool this weekend! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Reference Desk refresh

In case you're not aware, WikiProject Oregon has a reference desk where we keep notes on valuable source materials for various Oregon topics. It had gotten a bit stale; I've just updated the section on the Oregon Historical Quarterly, and some of the info about newspapers, books, and online databases. If you haven't given it a look in a while, it might be worth a glance -- and of course, please feel free to add/edit/improve! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Bijou Cafe

RIP, Bijou Cafe :(

Bummer. I went with a closing date of 2020 since this article does not give an exact date. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, Century Bar has also closed. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:15, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Ditto Jackknife Bar ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Missing one of Oregon's most renowned poets

Just noticed we don't have a bio of Samuel Leonidas Simpson (aka Sam L. Simpson). Maybe the most renowned Oregon poet of the 19th century, along with Joaquin Miller. Here's a starting point for sourcing: wikisource:en:Author:Samuel Leonidas Simpson -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Aunt Betty also recommends this Oregon Encyclopedia article. --Esprqii (talk) 19:29, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I've started a stub at Samuel L. Simpson, as this seems to be the common name based on the refs I've found. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

That's fantastic, thanks Lord Bolingbroke! Not sure if you're aware, but with a newspapers.com subscription you can make a clipping with its own URL, which is then available to non-subscribers. In this case though, the UO Historic Oregon Newspapers project happens to have a fully open scan of the same paper, so I replaced it with that. Anyway, an excellent core to build on, thanks for getting it going! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Peteforsyth. I'll certainly keep that in mind about the Newspapers.com clippings. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 23:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yay! I'll take a look as well. I'm a fan. Valfontis (talk) 14:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Oregon State Capitol and the riot

An IP editor observed that the 2020 riot was not mentioned at Oregon State Capitol (one of our first -- maybe our second -- featured articles in this project). I copy-pasted the section from the Mike Nearman bio, with very light editing; but it could surely use a closer look, and likely a good amount of pruning (likely too much detail for that article). Any assistance welcome. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Pete...I cut the text way down since most of it was about Nearman rather than the Capitol. I also removed the separate heading since that event is part of the 1938-Present timeline. Please take a look.--Orygun (talk) 08:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Orygun: Thanks, that looks great! I think a sentence or two about the significance of armed protesters entering the building, the scale/severity of the security breach, would be a good addition, but your trimming is a significant improvement. Also maybe some mention of armed protests at other state capitol around the 2020 election, and the January 6 events in D. C. I think you're right that most of the detail that I had put in from the Mike Nearman bio is not appropriate to the Capitol building article. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Portlandia move discussion

Talk:Portlandia_(TV_series)#Requested_move_22_July_2021 ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the alert Another Believer. Unfortunately just noticing this now, and the (in my view wrong) decision was already reached. Would have been nice to see more WP:ORE names in that discussion, and generally more votes in a decision like that before consensus was determined. Ah well. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

List of cities in Oregon and other census updates

It's that biennial time again, as more Census numbers were released yesterday. So far, can only update city numbers, which this WW article has a spreadsheet listing the Oregon cities. Of note, just like in 2010, all the estimates this time again had Salem moving past Eugene, only to have that not actually happen in the real count. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Fascinating. Thanks for the note, looking forward to digging through that data. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Mary's Club

https://www.wweek.com/bars/2021/08/18/iconic-marys-club-is-moving-after-spending-over-60-years-downtown-following-the-sale-of-its-building/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Sex clubs in Portland, Oregon

New stub: Sex clubs in Portland, Oregon. Why not? Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Assessment Request

Teammates, can I get Aboutmovies or another regular Wiki-Oregon editor to assess Robert McLean. He was a 19th century minister and Oregon state legislator. That article just fell off the bottom of the Oregon new article list without being assessed. The articles DYK nomination is already approved and will soon be used on Wikipedia’s main page. I’d like someone from WikiProject Oregon to do assessment before it’s published on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 19:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Done Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Bust of York

(sigh) The bust of York was toppled overnight. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:12, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, Todd McGrain has been revealed as the sculptor. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:26, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Article Feedback

Hi! I've been working on the article Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon), and I was wondering if some users from this wikiproject would be willing to stop by and review/edit it. Thank you for your help! Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for sharing Tyrone Madera -- looks like a good bit of research went into that. I don't have time for an in-depth review at the moment, but I hope to read it more closely soon. Looks like you've already gotten a bit of attention there from other project members. Nice work! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Peteforsyth! I try to make the research the primary focus of the article and let the text flow from that. I'm glad that you liked it! I can't wait for your advanced feedback when you have the time. Cheers, Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Marcus Lopez (sailor) - new page

I've added a page about Marcus Lopez, who may be the first person of African descent who landed (and died) in Oregon in 1788. Lopez was the valet of Captain Robert Gray. York didn't arrive until 1805. The entry has been flagged as possibly not notable, but I think it certainly is, and would appreciate support in keeping it. Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Lopez_(sailor) Art to Tech (talk) 08:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Art to Tech: I agree with the editor who tagged the article for notability and have redirected it to Robert Gray (sea captain). All sources I could locate through Google and Google Books contain passing mentions of Lopez, while significant coverage is required to meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lord Bolingbroke: Your overall position seems reasonable, but I think there might be some steps left to execute the change properly. There are significant details that were in the Marcus Lopez (sailor) article, but that haven't made it to the Robert Gray (sea captain) article.

I think it might be helpful to suggest to Art to Tech the steps to do this, as they have clearly made a commitment to understanding Wikipedia's procedures and policies. It's a little more confusing now that the first step has been taken, so here's a shortcut to the content and footnotes you previously added: Special:Diff/1041390540

I'd suggest moving everything that isn't redundant to the Robert Gray bio. To me, it seems significant that Lopez was "hired" rather than enslaved (if we're confident that's accurate?), the strong possibility that he was the first person of African descent to set foot in Oregon, the specifics of the fight that resulted in his death, and the comparison to York as the purported "first". And certainly the footnotes you painstakingly collected. All this might merit a subsection on the Gray article.

I don't really have a strong opinion on whether or not there should be a separate article. It seems significant that none of the six sources cited, strong though they are, focused centrally on Lopez; that seems like a point in LB's favor, i.e., no formal editor of an established publication seems to have chosen to write an article exclusively about him. But regardless, I think we should aim to serve, for instance, a reader who is trying to learn about Black "firsts" in Oregon. Whether they land on a page titled Lopez or Gray seems fairly unimportant to me, but I do think in either case, they should find the info they're seeking, especially including bibliographic info about the sources that discuss it.

I'm happy to help with implementation if needed, but I'll defer to what you want, AtT. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

p.s. I now see that it's not six separate sources now, that some are reused. I'd suggest adding a link to the Project Gutenberg transcription of Vikings of the Pacific. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I think this is a really fascinating topic and I'm surprised it was merged so speedily and cut down to a single sentence. Being the first person of African descent to reach Oregon does seem like it's worthy of a separate article that readers would be interested in, and for which we do have at least three solid, independent, reliable sources. While they don't delve deeply into Lopez's early life, the article does seem like it has enough to get started and could provide context on Gray's voyages and the history of the Oregon coast. By way of comparison, the article about Virginia Dare, for example, is purportedly about the first white person born in North America but contains a few scant paragraphs about her life, about which not much is known. I'm not trying to make a WP:OSE argument here, but the Dare article veers into all kinds of tangential and fictional areas about her. I think this separate article is worth saving and would be a worthy WP:OR project. --Esprqii (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments Peteforsyth and Esprqii. From the perspective of a new page reviewer, I think a merge/redirect is the best application of our notability guidelines in this case; I have enough experience at AfD to say that a deletion discussion for this page would probably result in a consensus to merge. I don't think that any of the sources cited in the article contain significant coverage of Lopez, and I wasn't able to find any better sources in my own search. None of them contain more than passing mentions, and his story is described in conjunction with that of Robert Gray and his voyage to the Pacific Northwest rather than being the main topic of discussion. The fact that Lopez has been mentioned in multiple sources independently could be used as a case for notability, even if the coverage isn't all that significant. In general though, being the first person of a certain group to do x isn't a good case for notability unless independent sources consider that person significant enough to write about them in-depth. I will say that with pages on historical subjects like this—where the article will remain stable and we don't need to worry about BLP issues—there isn't any major harm in applying our notability guidelines more loosely. Because this is a more borderline case on a historical subject, I wouldn't be opposed if anyone feels strongly enough to restore the page. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, Art to Tech, I hope my terse response to you above doesn't discourage you from further article creation. As Pete said, you clearly have a commitment to understanding Wikipedia's policies and procedures. I'd be glad to assist if you want help with a page or perhaps want a second opinion when assessing if a topic is notable :) – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Lord Bolingbroke, Peteforsyth and Esprqii, I will expand the Lopez info on the Gray page using info saved by Peteforsyth. Agnes Christin Laut, in her book Vikings of the Pacific (1914) seems to have a lot of detail but I want to find out how she acquired it - maybe she read the ship's logs? Art to Tech (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Good question, and I found actually a pretty cool discussion of Laut's process...Check it out. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

also here. And, I've found a few more mentions of Lopez:

[2], more from Laut (several pages), this one requires a free Internet Archive account, may be based entirely on Laut
A number of good sources come up if searching on "Marcos" instead of "Marcus", such as From Bancroft (likely a strong source, but some caveats about his methods) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Ah, and here is a more exhaustive list of spelling variants: Markus Lopeus, Marcus Lopius, and Marcos Lopez. And yeah, I'm officially nerding out on this. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Peteforsyth, you bring nerding out to the level of a fine art. I will follow up when I can. Art to Tech (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Love this description of Laut's writing: "She is so colloquial, so aggressively racy, that she throws grammar to the winds, and she sometimes gives curious meanings to words. " (p139 of Review of Historical Publications Relating to Canada) Art to Tech (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Demolished historic house

What a shame! Alcoa House (Portland, Oregon) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I saw that! How unfortunate. --Kbabej (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Tobias Read

Hello fellow editors! After making his announcement for the 2022 Oregon gubernatorial election, I found myself on Tobias Read's article. To me, the article looks like a campaign advertisement in the First State Retirement Savings Plan and Oregon College Savings Plan subsections. I think they should be significantly pared down, but don't want to unduly gut an article if other editors think the content should remain. Especially now that the article will be getting more views as the campaigns get underway. Thoughts appreciated! --Kbabej (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Both of those sections have WP:COATRACK problems. They should be pared down to just the content about Read himself, and ideally should have secondary reliable sources added. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Oldest Bridge in Oregon

Hello! Would someone be so kind as to take a look at Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon)? It's the oldest bridge in Oregon, so I figure that it's fairly relevant to this wikiproject. The article is relatively new, so please stop by and edit/leave your feedback on the talk page! Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Best title for the article about the elk statue in Portland?

Please help determine the best title for the article about Portland's elk statue here. I've been debating the best title internally for far too long, so I'm asking others to help make a decision. Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Bump! The discussion has been relisted due to limited participation. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Hotel at AfD

Canopy by Hilton Portland Pearl District

---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Review request

I just saw the review request for Robert McLean (minister) roll off into the archive, so I looked at the article. I am left wondering if some statements in the article are supported by the references. Please see Talk:Robert McLean (minister) § Views expressed. YBG (talk) 05:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I found a couple sources that may be useful, and replied on the Talk page of the article. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Grand'mere Eugene … Thanks for your excellent follow-up on the Kellogg-McLean debate! I think you are right, the two represented contrasting views of Creationism. So, I have modified the McLean article text to say McLean "… supported public debate on the theory of evolution." --Orygun (talk) 04:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Philip Linn Pioneer Cemetery

The stub I created for the Philip Linn Pioneer Cemetery in Estacada has been sent to AfD. Turns out the cemetery has a few different names, dating back to the 1860s, and may also be known as or connected to the IOOF Cemetery (per the source I've shared on the article's talk page). More research needed here, but sharing in case any project members are interested in a sleuthing mission. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

... I guess ditto Calvary Cemetery (Mt. Angel, Oregon) and Escobar Cemetery... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

... ditto Saint Joseph Cemetery (Gresham, Oregon) and Mulkey Cemetery. So much for actually having time to try to research these historic sites, can't keep up! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

It is difficult to keep up. Easier to take things like this one at a time, or else work on a List of cemeteries in Oregon where references could be added until specific cemeteries are sufficiently sourced to start their own pages. (I'll do a bit of research, but it might not be in time to impact the AfDs.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

While it doesn’t speak directly to the notability of any given cemetery, it’s worth noting that some cemetery articles are linked to articles on prominent citizens who are buried in those places. For example, I've recently been writing article on Oregon legislators and I include links to cemeteries where they are buried if there is an existing article on their final resting place. If those cemetery articles get deleted, they will create red links where there had been blue-link article connections. Point is Wikipedia articles are interconnected so some consideration should be given to how cemetery articles may connect to and support others articles.--Orygun (talk) 23:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm very disappointed to see a bunch of historic cemetery entries deleted (seems likely, since simply Googling the topics doesn't result in much coverage). But, not really one of those battles I'm willing to fight on Wikipedia. By the way, Pete, I like the idea of a list of notable cemeteries in Oregon! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd say create a the list and turn the stubs into redirects with possibilities. YBG (talk) 00:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The Simpsons and Portland, Oregon

Here's a fun one! The Simpsons and Portland, Oregon ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

This article may be of interest! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added to the article's talk page for future use. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Consulate of Mexico, Portland

Was bummed to the see Consulate of Mexico, Portland entry redirected (diff). Searching "Consulado de México en Portland" at Google yields several Univision Portland sources, among others, but I'm not sure if there's enough to clearly demonstrate notability since I don't speak Spanish. Might any project members be willing to review sourcing and restore the article, if notable? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing discussion re: scope of Protests in Portland, Oregon article

Project members are invited to weigh in on the ongoing discussion re: the scope of the Protests in Portland, Oregon entry here. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

GAR Skeptic's Toolbox

Skeptic's Toolbox has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 15:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Assessment for The Advocate?

The Advocate (Portland, Oregon) is arguably the most significant Black newspaper in Oregon history. We've built up an article about it over the years, but I just noticed it's still stuck at "stub" class. Wondering if somebody might take a look and reassess? Since it's been built up piece by piece by a number of editors, a careful review by somebody rather new to the topic would be especially helpful. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to the many project members who responded to this request! Much appreciated. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 01:08, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Assessment Request

Teammates, can I get Aboutmovies or another regular Wiki-Oregon editor to assess William A. Massingill. He was a southern Oregon businessman and state legislator. Tomorrow, the article will fall off the bottom of the Oregon new article list without being assessed. The articles DYK nomination is already approved and will be published on Wikipedia’s main page in the next few days. I’d really like someone from WikiProject Oregon to do assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Looks really good. I gave it a quick assessment, but more eyes are welcome. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

D. B. Cooper under FA review

I started FA review on D. B. Cooper. Your input and contributions are welcome. --George Ho (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Lattice Semiconductor COI edit requests

Hi! I've posted some COI edit requests at Talk:Lattice Semiconductor. Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 22:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Elephants Delicatessen

Resolved

Elephants Delicatessen has been nominated for deletion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Article kept. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Heads up: Oregon location articles

Greetings,

User:Mangoe has been on a project to check and possibly AfD-nominate geostubs on places which may or may not be places. Going state-by-state, they've just turned their attention to Oregon and nominated Alicel, Oregon for deletion and likely will do the same for more. Looking at their pass through Washington, there had been a lot of stubs on places there which were little more than railroad sidings and which were rightly deleted--I don't know how much this is the case for Oregon articles, but it seemed right to mention it here to get a few more eyes on these articles. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 21:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

You'll be glad to know that Oregon so far is in much better shape. Kudos to those who went the extra mile. Mangoe (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I get notified for every afd on the project? Tyrone Madera (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: I recommend adding Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Oregon to your watchlist if it's not there already. --Finngall ^talk 17:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Mangoe:, this is my labor of love and my baby. Yeah WP:ILIKEIT and WP:HARDWORK, blah blah blah. In 2006, I (and many others) timidly started with "A" and have improved much in the nearly 16 years and have fairly high standards for notability, so yeah, better than most. I can probably improve almost any of them, though I cannot vouch for some of the microstubs not created by me. I can't turn my attention to Alicel until the weekend probably. See also: WP:Gazetteer. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 05:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hot Articles Bot - WP:Oregon

I stumbled across this feature over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lakes and found that ours was not functioning for over a year due to a simple copy edit from when it was set up. I had wanted to contribute something to the project beyond articles/editing that would also be an improvement for others to enjoy. Getting this working now gives me the feeling of accomplishing a small bit of that. After a recent adjustment to the settings to better fit our project it is ready for use. I put this on my talk page (read: scratch pad) for a couple weeks now and I enjoyed checking the list each day tracking the counts. I feel like there are other editors that will find it similarly useful.

106 edits	November 2024 Northeast Pacific bomb cyclone
29 edits	Bo Nix
25 edits	Lori Chavez-DeRemer
24 edits	MAX Red Line
20 edits	Oregon Constitutional Convention
19 edits	D. B. Cooper
18 edits	MAX Yellow Line
18 edits	Justin Herbert
17 edits	Charles Meigs (politician)
16 edits	Raymond E. Frey (physicist)

These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days. Last updated 27 November 2024 by HotArticlesBot.

My only problem was, where to put it within the project? I had an couple ideas and decided to ask here for input from the community.
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 16:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow, that's very cool! Some of the old timers might have ideas about the best spot...Thoughts Aboutmovies, Valfontis, Esprqii, EncMstr? Maybe on WP:ORE/ASSESS? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

That is pretty nice! First thought I had was to use WP:ORE/PP? That one gives a report every month, so if this one is live results, it would be a nice complement to that page. --Esprqii (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Darryl, nice to meet you over at the Alicel talk page. I agree this is a cool tool. I like both the /PP and /ASSESS ideas. P.S. Because of this, I saw that the founder of Sokol Blosser is adding content to that article. Go easy on him. I like wine. Valfontis (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Assessment Request

Teammates, can I get one of our experienced Wiki-Oregon editors to assess Fremont, Oregon article. Fremont is a ghost town in northern Lake County that came and went in the early Twentieth Century after the 1909 Homestead Act opened that area for land claims. The article is getting near the bottom of the Oregon new article list and still hasn’t been assessed. The articles DYK nomination is approved and will be published on Wikipedia’s main page in the next few days ... probably 20 Dec. I’d really like someone from WikiProject Oregon to do assessment before DYK appears on main page. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 20:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Well done! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Congrats! I did a quick copyedit. You know I always remove the external links not specific to the article (see WP:EL), but I didn't do so this time. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Ballot measure entries redirected

Bummed to see these pages redirected by User:Reywas92:

Sharing just in case any project members feel like taking a stab at expanding, since I have a lot on my plate right now. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Image request: Martini glass sign

Martini glass sign needs an image, if anyone has one! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:10, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Pondosa, Oregon Potential DYK

If someone wants to turn their attention to Pondosa, Oregon, there's a nifty DKY hook there, in that it was declared the Geographic Center of the United States for a brief time. Hopefully, it will meet the criteria for DYK with expansion. I just reverted a great deal of unsourced info on the topic, but there are good sources out there. Valfontis (talk) 22:02, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Don't think it will make it. DYK articles must have at least 1,500 characters of readable text and also cannot be Stub article.--Orygun (talk) 01:34, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that someone could expand it and use that hook, sorry if that was unclear. That info isn't even in the article at the moment. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 05:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Pizza in Portland, Oregon

Can you think of anything else to add to Pizza in Portland, Oregon? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

A and B Loop FA review

Would appreciate some input and comments for the article. --truflip99 (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Big fan of your work! Good luck at FAC. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject Oregon

I found a thing. It has a list of the most active editors in WP:ORE tagged articles. I don't know if all y'all have seen it, but it might be handy for welcoming new users, etc. Valfontis (talk) 05:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Interesting— but it pales in comparison to EncMstr's Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oregon/Activity, which is now inoperative. What role did you have in mind for this directory in welcoming new editors? Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 07:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Wow, I missed that--it's very interesting. Maybe Enc can update it? It brings back memories. As for welcoming new users: 1) Look for users with redlinked talk pages 2) give them a welcome template (I use Twinkle for this) 3) Profit??? Sometimes new folks who start out editing a particular pet Oregon-related article stick around and contribute to the project, especially if we reach out. Valfontis (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

You're Invited! Writing Black History of the Pacific Northwest into Wikipedia

On, Friday, February 25, 2022, Oregon State University will be hosting an online editathon focused on Black history of the Pacific Northwest. You can learn more here and/or register here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:27, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

help on Crown Point Viaduct and other Historic Columbia River Highway structures

Crown Point (Oregon) is a past collaboration article of WikiProject Oregon. At Talk:Crown_Point_(Oregon)#what_is_the_Crown_Point_Viaduct, I'm wondering what or where is the "Crown Point Viaduct", help sorting out would be appreciated. Could anyone possibly provide new photos, or identify existing ones that are relevant? This relates to trying to collect photos of the bridges along the Historic Columbia River Highway, see Talk:Historic_Columbia_River_Highway#complete_set_of_individual_bridge_photos_(and_articles?). Should this viaduct be considered a bridge. And photos of other bridges are needed. Any help would be appreciated. --Doncram (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)