Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Maths, science, and technology

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 11:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

There is ongoing discussion about how to best present the content of the Insider investigative report on a Russian connection to Havana Syndrome. Two versions have been proposed, and we seek wider community input on which should be included in the article. The discussion has raised concerns about the due weight of content relating to allegations of secret weapons use by Russian military intelligence's GRU Unit 29155.

Version 2.1:

On March 31, 2024, The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, published an investigative report reigniting speculation that hostile Russian action was responsible for the syndrome.^[1]^[2] The Kremlin Press Secretary dismissed the report as "nothing more than baseless, unfounded accusations by the media." In response to the report, the White House Press Secretary said that a "foreign adversary is very unlikely." Following the report, several U.S. Senators, including Susan Collins, Jeanne Shaheen, and Mark Warner, sent a letter to the President calling for further investigation into the cause of the anomalous health incidents.

Version 3.1:

On March 31 2024, The Insider, in collaboration with 60 Minutes and Der Spiegel, published an investigative report claiming that the syndrome was caused by actions of Russian military intelligence.^[1]^[2]^[3] The report states that members of the GRU Unit 29155, known for undertaking foreign operations^[2], received awards and promotions for work related to the development and deployment of "non-lethal acoustic weapons", and that telephone and travel data pinpointing the locations of these agents correlated with the timings and locations of Havana Syndrome incidents worldwide.^[4]^[5]^[6]

The Kremlin Press Secretary dismissed the report as "nothing more than baseless, unfounded accusations by the media."^[1] In response to the report, the White House Press Secretary said that a "foreign adversary is very unlikely."^[7]

Following the report, in a letter addressed to the President several U.S. Senators called for further investigations into the causes of the anomalous health incidents.^[8]

Please provide your opinions and rationale for supporting either version 2.1 or 3.1 and please ensure your responses are based on Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. (FailedMusician (talk) 02:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Tornadoes of XXXX criteria

Should the following criteria be added as additional criteria in WP:TornadoCriteria?

(As a new point 5 in the criteria) Tornado outbreaks inside the United States with five or more tornadoes rated EF2
(As a new criteria section similar to “Rare oddities”):

Section title: High impact tornadoes

Text: Any tornado not meeting the above criteria may still qualify for inclusion as a “high impact” event. A hypothetical example of this criteria is an EF2 which does not kill or injure anyone, however, it damaged or destroyed 90% of a town of 2,000 people. Inclusion of these tornadoes is subjective. Any editor is allowed and should add such tornadoes to Tornadoes of XXXX articles, as inclusion of such events are considered to have presumed consensus. However, once a “high impact” tornado’s inclusion is challenged, a talk page discussion should occur to determine if the specific tornado qualifies as a “high impact” tornado and if it should be included or excluded in the article.

Option 1 — Support addition of both proposed criteria points
Option 2 — Support addition of proposed criteria #1, but oppose addition of proposed criteria #2
Option 3 — Support addition of proposed criteria #2, but oppose addition of proposed criteria #1
Option 4 — Oppose addition of both proposed criteria points

The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:SpaceX Starship flight tests

Hi everyone, this RfC is to retrieve consensus regarding the addition of mission outcome to the Orbital/Intergated launch wikitable, as well as adding the associated chart in the same section.

Context: IFT-3 has ben the subject of confusion and debate here in Wikipedia. The confusion between Launch outcome and Mission outcome has led editors to think of the two as one, despite those being different things. This article also doesn't show the launch outcome alongside mission outcome, meaning editors and readers alike might see the green "success" entry in the launch column/chart and believe the mission succeded, not reading the other text to learn that the mission wasn't a full success. This factor will lead to confusion among Wikipedia editors, and confused editors can't properly write a wiki.

The question: Should we list the mission outcome as clearly as we list the launch outcome?

If you wish to dispute this RfC, please raise your concerns over at the appropriate WP:DRN and WP:PUMP noticeboards. You may also bring this discussion up at WP:DfD and WP:AN, and if all discussions go wrong or end up with no real result, you can contact the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee. But bear in mind, contacting the Arbitration Committee is a last resort option that should not be done for minor reasons, so only contact them if the discussions go very wrong. Thanks, 179.251.80.181 (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Climate change

Which of the following sections should be used in the Food and health section?

Robert McClenon (talk) 04:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Havana syndrome

Three related questions:

a) Can this article include non-medical information about Havana Syndrome (provided the information is properly sourced)? Examples of non-medical information include politics, economics, relationship to cold war, espionage, directed energy weapons, statements by foreign governments, conflict-of-interest allegations, and historical chronology of hypotheses & research. Example of non-medical information: Financial compensation from Havana Act ^[9] and ^[10].

b) Can this article include USA government reports, studies and statements from the executive branch, US Congress, CIA, Department of Defense, State department, National Institutes of Health, etc. (provided they are reported on by major media)? Specifically, is it okay if some sources are not from medical or scientific journals? Examples of government reports: ^[11] and ^[12].

c) For medical information in this article: does WP:MEDRS prohibit the use of primary medical sources in this article? Opposing view: Havana Syndrome is relatively new and evolving so it is okay to use primary medical sources in some situations (for example, when the primary source is widely reported in major media; or when the primary source is reporting a significant new result; or when there are no secondary sources yet available that have reviewed and summarized the primary source). Examples of recent widely-reported primary sources that have not been assessed by a secondary source: ^[13] and ^[14]

Noleander (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Francis Scott Key Bridge (Baltimore)

The lead section first sentence says "The bridge was", in past tense. Should the first sentence be in past tense (Support past tense); or in present tense (Oppose past tense)? -- GreenC 19:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

^ ^a ^b ^c https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/
^ ^a ^b ^c "Havana syndrome: Report links mystery illness to Russian intelligence unit". www.bbc.com. Retrieved 2024-04-02.
^ Cite error: The named reference guardian-report was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference Dobrokhotov was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference :3 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference SpiegelMarch2024 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Cite error: The named reference us-not-moved was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Chasan, Aliza (2024-04-17). "Senators call for renewed Havana Syndrome assessment after 60 Minutes report - CBS News". www.cbsnews.com. Retrieved 2024-04-24.
^ Barnes, Julian E.; Sanger, David E.; Rogers, Katie (October 8, 2021). "Biden Signs Legislation to Compensate Victims of Mysterious 'Havana Syndrome'". The New York Times. Archived from the original on October 18, 2021.
^ "S.1828 - HAVANA Act of 2021". United States Congress. May 25, 2021. Archived from the original on June 25, 2021. Retrieved June 25, 2021.
^ "An Analysis of Data and Hypotheses Related to the Embassy Incidents" (PDF). state.gov. United States Department of State. February 10, 2022. Archived (PDF) from the original on October 14, 2022. Retrieved October 19, 2022.
^ "Most ‘Havana Syndrome’ Cases Unlikely Caused by Foreign Power, C.I.A. Says" Julian Barnes 20 Jan 2022, NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/20/us/politics/havana-syndrome-cia-report.html"
^ Pierpaoli C., Nayak A., Hafiz R., et al. Neuroimaging Findings in US Government Personnel and Their Family Members Involved in Anomalous Health Incidents. JAMA. Published online March 18, 2024. doi:10.1001/jama.2024.2424.
^ Chan, Leighton; Hallett, Mark; Zalewski, Chris K.; Brewer, Carmen C.; Zampieri, Cris; Hoa, Michael; Lippa, Sara M.; Fitzgibbon, Edmond; French, Louis M.; Moses, Anita D.; van der Merwe, André J.; Pierpaoli, Carlo; Turtzo, L. Christine; Yonter, Simge; Shahim, Pashtun (2024-03-18). "Clinical, Biomarker, and Research Tests Among US Government Personnel and Their Family Members Involved in Anomalous Health Incidents". JAMA. doi:10.1001/jama.2024.2413. ISSN 0098-7484. PMID 38497797.

[kremlin-dismisses-1] ttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-dismisses-report-russia-behind-havana-syndrome-2024-04-01/

[:4-2] "Havana syndrome: Report links mystery illness to Russian intelligence unit". www.bbc.com. Retrieved 2024-04-02.

[guardian-report-3] Cite error: The named reference guardian-report was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[Dobrokhotov-4] Cite error: The named reference Dobrokhotov was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[:3-5] Cite error: The named reference :3 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[SpiegelMarch2024-6] Cite error: The named reference SpiegelMarch2024 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[us-not-moved-7] Cite error: The named reference us-not-moved was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[letter-request-senators-8] Chasan, Aliza (2024-04-17). "Senators call for renewed Havana Syndrome assessment after 60 Minutes report - CBS News". www.cbsnews.com. Retrieved 2024-04-24.

[BarnesOct8-9] Barnes, Julian E.; Sanger, David E.; Rogers, Katie (October 8, 2021). "Biden Signs Legislation to Compensate Victims of Mysterious 'Havana Syndrome'". The New York Times. Archived from the original on October 18, 2021.

[Collins_Bill-10] "S.1828 - HAVANA Act of 2021". United States Congress. May 25, 2021. Archived from the original on June 25, 2021. Retrieved June 25, 2021.

[JASON2021-11] "An Analysis of Data and Hypotheses Related to the Embassy Incidents" (PDF). state.gov. United States Department of State. February 10, 2022. Archived (PDF) from the original on October 14, 2022. Retrieved October 19, 2022.

[12] "Most ‘Havana Syndrome’ Cases Unlikely Caused by Foreign Power, C.I.A. Says" Julian Barnes 20 Jan 2022, NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/20/us/politics/havana-syndrome-cia-report.html"

[PierPal-13] Pierpaoli C., Nayak A., Hafiz R., et al. Neuroimaging Findings in US Government Personnel and Their Family Members Involved in Anomalous Health Incidents. JAMA. Published online March 18, 2024. doi:10.1001/jama.2024.2424.

[jama1-14] Chan, Leighton; Hallett, Mark; Zalewski, Chris K.; Brewer, Carmen C.; Zampieri, Cris; Hoa, Michael; Lippa, Sara M.; Fitzgibbon, Edmond; French, Louis M.; Moses, Anita D.; van der Merwe, André J.; Pierpaoli, Carlo; Turtzo, L. Christine; Yonter, Simge; Shahim, Pashtun (2024-03-18). "Clinical, Biomarker, and Research Tests Among US Government Personnel and Their Family Members Involved in Anomalous Health Incidents". JAMA. doi:10.1001/jama.2024.2413. ISSN 0098-7484. PMID 38497797.

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