Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachel Bentley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Children on the Edge. There is consensus that she's not independently notable. If anyone wants to merge content from the redirected page to the charity they are welcome to do so. — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel Bentley[edit]

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The bulk of the article is about the charity Children on the Edge rather than its executive director. The education section is based on a non-independent source. Only the three sentences of "early life" are independent biographical content, and only their source (Nick Ryan) has written in any depth about Bentley. No evidence of significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time separate from coverage of the charity. This article appears to have been created "to amplify the latest information" from the charity. I'm loathe to preserve the undisclosed paid editing content by merging, but would be okay with a redirect to the charity. Worldbruce (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, and United Kingdom. Worldbruce (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the charity. More notability there than the individual. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. In 2022, Rachel Bentley received the Order of the British Empire. Regardless of how well or badly the current version of the article may be written or cited, that establishes her notability. I've added and cited that information, which wasn't previously included. MaryMO (AR) (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for adding that. The consensus in other deletion discussions has been that an OBE is not a sufficiently significant honour to meet WP:ANYBIO. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest James Scott, for example. If she received significant independent coverage in connection with the OBE, that could help her meet WP:GNG, but the Sussex Express page is merely a reprint of a press release from the charity.[1] --Worldbruce (talk) 05:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  You are pointing to another AFD article that shows how people voted, that should not have any bearing wethere OBE itself is an award meeting the guidelines. OBE is major award and for sure meets the guidelines. Unfortunately this is not specifically stated in the guidelines, so if anybody disagrees, they are welcome to participate in this independent AFD. We should not rely on another AFD result for this one. Pershkoviski (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  But it's not just one AfD discussion. Every discussion where notability of OBEs has been an issue has come to the same conclusion. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep. Order of British Empire award is an award well known that would make them qualify under WP:ANYBIO. They also have enough news coverage. Pershkoviski (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The "O" in OBE stands for "officer", not "order". The full title is "Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire". One is not awarded it, but becomes one. Along with MBEs they are pretty commonplace: there are tens of thousands of each. It is, in fact, contrary to the press release linked, the fourth highest rank in the order, coming after GBE, DBE/KBE and CBE. The higher ranks might make someone notable per WP:ANYBIO, but not being an OBE. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Strong delete~~ I do not see any notable secondary sources dedicated to her in particular. Most of them are her nonprofit's website or talk about the nonprofit.128.6.36.94 (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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delete notability is not inherited, bulk of article is about the charities. Previous discussions regarding OBE not showing enough notability. Equine-man (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 02:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No comments since last relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 07:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Children on the Edge. Bentley is only noted in association with that charity, she has not received the attention necessary to establish notability as an individual person. Regarding the OBE, WP:ANYBIO explicitly establishes that meeting its criteria does not guarantee that notability criteria have been met and that a standalone article is warranted. Saying "The subject fulfils ANYBIO and that's it, notability established" misunderstands the intent of ANYBIO. In this case, she was appointed to the OBE specifically for her charity work at CotE. The coverage of her is basically coverage oriented toward CotE, which just so happens to involve her extensively as a key figure in that charity. However, she is not notable outside from that, and thus, any noteworthy content would be better in the article about the actually notable charity. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.