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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete; 3 keeps and 13 deletes, two moves/rename. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:13, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of famous pneumonia suffers[edit]

Misspelled title, irrelevant, and unencyclopedic. I'm sure you could make a "list of famous people who were hit by elephants", or "list of people with two eyes", or "list of people who died from cancer" Frenchman113 00:26, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete irrelevant and unencyclopedic Soltak 00:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it is part of the Wikipedia:Medicine Collaboration of the Week article Pneumonia
    • See Talk:Pneumonia for the active discussion on spliting the list from the original article and discussing the point raised above, namely that it is a bit lame to list all recorded cases, but rather perhaps limit to just notable historical or reported cases.
    • Please let the group continue its discussion over this (the same will apply to other conditions we edit in the future)...
    • I agree mispelt, but I can't move it now has a VfD tag.
David Ruben 00:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abstain / Comment. I moved the list from Pneumonia and take blame for the misspelling - should be "sufferers". Frankly, I don't like lists like this either and don't care what is done with it. The article was created to appease those who wanted to keep the list. Edwardian 01:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • If people really care, Rename: Most of these people died from pneumonia. The list of famous people who actually suffered from it would be a lot larger, and obviously an impractical task. Maybe: List of famous pneumoenia related deaths would be better. →ubεr nεmo→ lóquï 01:52, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain. I don't really feel this belongs here, and that this article is in the same class as the recently VFD's List of notable people who have been stung by jellyfish. It's borderline nonsensical, and can be difficult to verify. However, if discussion is in place elsewhere, or an editor is desiring to be bold and merge/move it elsewhere, I don't want to slap a delete vote on it. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 01:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. FYI, team, googling for "famous "died of pneumonia"" [1] gives 18,000 entries. Even with duplicates... I mean, wow. Are you sure you want to go down that road? Sdedeo 03:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or at least limit to people who were known for their sickliness, or who died from the disease. Millions of people have had pneumonia, and overcome it. -- BD2412 talk 03:16, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Man, if only I were famous, so I could be on this list. I've even had it twice! Delete, listcruft. android79 03:24, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is part of the collaboration. Some of this information probably would belong in the larger Pneumonia article but was, in the minds of the collaborators on this project, large enough to merit its own space. Defer to them for now. ESkog 04:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Pneumonia was likely the most common cause of death before the advent of modern antibiotics - mind you, we've only had those since the 1940s when they first started mass producing penicillin. Therefore, it's highly likely that a high number of famous before this would have died of pneumonia. If we left this list, in a few months it'll have thousands of names. Alex.tan 04:45, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not everything notable people do or have if notable in itself. Only cases which have created lasting media exposure, e.g. as Kylie Minogue has done to breast cancer in Australia, would be notable, and I cannot see any examples in this llist. JFW | T@lk 20:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The new name makes no sense. List of notable people who suffer from pneumonia would imply that all of the people on the list would have to still be alive. Perhaps List of notable people who have suffered from pneumonia? Zoe 05:40, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Movēre(?) to a better title. --Merovingian (t) (c) 06:04, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for two reasons: 1) Defining 'famous' is inherently POV 2)It's a list article. Garbage articles don't get exceptions from the rules just because they're part of a wikiproject Cynical 09:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't care if it was split out from the pneumonia article, it should have just been removed from it. Although to answer cynical, afor the purposes of Wikipedia, if a person has an article, then they can be considered famous enough to be on that kind of list. But in this case, the list is lame and should die. Proto t c 11:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Who defines 'famous' ? And if we accept this, we'll have to put together lists for all the people who were killed by cancer, measles, lightning strike, or choking on candied frogs dipped in chocolate. Not to mention famous people who died (a) in their baths, (b) in their beds, (c) in other people's beds, and (d) whilst hanging naked from a trapeze eating chocolate-dipped frogs. Wikipedia isn't just lists, surely ?! WMMartin 13:08, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. And merge if needed with articles about people mentioned in the list. --rdnk 14:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP, has both potential and people working on it.Gateman1997 14:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, this will never be a finished article. My sister's had pneumonia, does that mean she gets on the list? What about Tom Cruise, who may possibly have had a bout of pneumonia at the age of 11? ral315 16:07, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unwise precedent to set and the list has little (if any) value. Dottore So 18:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - pneumonia has been too common as a cause of death, not to mention as a sickness; the list would include thousands of famous historical names. It could slso include many cases where the cause of death is disputed, because historical records are sometimes sketchy or contradictory - Skysmith 10:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- oh mercy, this is like "people who have been hit by cosmic rays." Cleduc 06:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Off topic of this article's VfD, Frenchman113 mentioned "list of famous people who were hit by elephants", whilst many unknown people have of course been killed by elephants, if there is a list of internationally well known people who so succumbed (I can't think of any myself) then this would be sufficiently quirky that I would look at such an article. It would provide a useful starting point to consider the wild/tammed nature of elephants etc.

  • Quick Google search lists whole series of such news articles, and guess what is top of the list ? .... yes its WP's own Crushing by elephant - fascinating article on its use as a means of execution :-) -David Ruben 00:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have a List of people who have been killed by falling turtles? Zoe 20:11, August 12, 2005 (UTC)


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