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Help with references after editing

I edited this page. Kenny Dorham Now at the bottom of the page I see this message. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist}} template (see the help page). How do I fix this? I am unable to do so myself. Wizardshazam (talk) 08:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

formatting fixed NtheP (talk) 09:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Wizardshazam, and welcome to the Teahouse. I know what the problem is. You used <ref> and </ref> in the article for references (and that's fine). But you should place {{Reflist}} tag after all references in the article. The {{Reflist}} makes only a list of references that ate positioned before it in the body of the article. But, you placed this: <ref>Amazon.com</ref> after the {{Reflist}} tag. User NtheP now fixed it. The other (much bigger) problem is that the article cites only one reliable source which is not enough to establish wp:Verifability. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Done Actually, NtheP did not fix anything, I fixed it. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't claiming to have fixed anything except the formatting of the question. NtheP (talk) 09:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, just a misunderstanding. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Good articles

Hey folks, I would just like to request for some feedback on Thermal Man, one of the first few articles I have created. I am actually proud of it, and I was wondering, is there anything that could be significantly changed? I have read a couple of comic-related GAs, and while this might not be as long, will it stand a chance. Cheers --THAT AMAZING GUY (Give your friendly bro a love note or two!) 09:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse. The main obstacle for this article at present is that the vast majority of the article contains descriptions of in-universe fictional content, as also reflected by the fact that almost all of the references are (as far as I can see) to the comics themselves. In order to stand a chance at GA, I think it would need to have much more in the way of independent references, spending more time discussing things like (for example) the reception or popularity of the character, its relation to the social milieu or comics scene of the time, any significance it had in the development of comic storylines or approaches, or other material of that nature. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Does my new page have to go through review process?

Hi, I've recently created a page and it's queued up for review - is this part of the process necessary? The page is very much based on other similar pages: I don't think there's anything controversial about its existence on Wikipedia as it's just as notable if not more so that many other existing pages in the same category. Should I have simply created the page directly so that other people could contribute to it immediately rather than being the sole contributor as I am currently? Article is here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Teleglitch Thanks, Emergency.rations (talk) 00:56, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

It's entirely up to you though it is advised for your first article or two since there are things that are easy to do wrong :) Samwalton9 (talk) 00:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Further to this, for example, you've used the same references more than once and written them out in full each time. You can get around this by writing <ref name="XYZ"> instead of just <ref> when writing a reference, then use the same one somewhere else by writing <ref name="XYZ"/> and nothing else! Obviously change XYZ for something relevant and use a different one for each distinct reference. Other than that your article looks good though! Samwalton9 (talk) 01:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh great, thanks Samwalton9: I definitely learned a lot creating this one so it was a good process to go through. I'll keep the reference tip you provided in mind in future - look like that's been cleaned up in the meantime. If I now want to directly create the page how do I go about removing the draft from the backlog - there are apparently a couple of thousand items in there so don't want to have it clogging that up any more. Emergency.rations (talk) 04:21, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I reviewed your article (this process is called wp:New pages patrol), and it's pretty fine. The only issue I see is that the references are not properly formatted. You should read this carefully: WP:CITEHOW. I want to answer your other question. As I see, you first created a page at this location: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Teleglitch, but then copy-pasted it here: Teleglitch. That way, you left the draft in existence. That is not a big problem, as your draft was deleted. But, what you actually should have done is to move the page, not to copy-paste (see here: WP:MOVE). Moving pages is always preferred over copy-paste because of copyrights issues. If you want to learn more about this, try here: WP:COPYWITHIN. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Requesting an article

Kindly detail me about requesting an article. I tried it on my own but cannot find the appropriate way to do so. 39.48.12.176 (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)REBEL39.48.12.176 (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

One venue to request articles is Wikipedia:Requested articles. There are instructions at the top of the page. Note that it will probably take a while for an editor to find and fulfill your request, depending on the subject; there are a lot of requests already up. Hope this helps! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello REBEL and welcome to the teahouse. It is worth mentioning that not all articles requested at Requested Articles ever get created. In fact, the majority of them never get created.

In order to improve the chances of an article being created by that method, it would be important to include details of independent reliable sources that discuss the topic in detail. However, if you are going to the trouble of finding and detailing such sources, you might as well go all the way and create the article yourself at WP:AFC. Even with the long waiting times at AFC, that would still likely end up faster than Requested articles, provided the topic is notable to begin with. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Added an image to Western Christian High School

Hi, all. I just added a free image (my own work) to the article linked above. However, the motto of the school jumped up under the image as a second caption.[1] Before I added the picture the motto Learning...to Serve the King appeared in its own row in the infobox [2] How should I put the motto back in its own line? Vycl1994 (talk) 16:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Vycl1994 and welcome to the Teahouse. You added image to the article's infobox. This article uses Template:Infobox school. That template is designed that way: to display the motto under the image, if an image is provided, and in a separate row if there is no image. You cannot change it without changing the template itself. But, since this template is used in thousands of articles, you should not change anything yourself. If you think that it does not look good and that the template needs change, you may propose the change on its talk page. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I was not sure if that was a set standard format. Since it is, I will leave it. Thanks for the prompt reply! Vycl1994 (talk) 17:21, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Universal Containment, Creation, and Projection

This is a project that I have been working on for some time now and am wondering if I should continue to build this Wikipedia page. I have around much more detail then this including schematics, math, and further conceptual ideas. Decompression of any chemical inside a vacuum field.Shape of the vacuum.Decompression material used(think of a box inside a box that pulls apart a chemical in another box). Chemical or compounds used.Connecting weaves of different chemicals.

Systematic containment of energy in unstable space of chemical to stabilize. For comparison think of an electron as our sun and the materials in the gravitational pull as stabilizing agents.Think large and small scale: Sun could be a contained nuclear reaction or could be a quark as long as ratio gravimetric effects stay constant in relation to the velocity, weight, and distance.

After stabilization add moon for solar projection of dual sided circular map growth projection.Think of energy that moves in circles and stores choices, thoughts, actions, of every biological movement.Gives different beings the ability to input variables to measure statistical movements in correlation with the initial bacteria.

Add bacteria to stabilize map and watch it grow.Infinite circles each with a single bacteria.Think of infinite biological connections.

These four concepts or theories relate to the big bang because you have an initial energy input and also can relate to string theory because you can look at photons as strings of energy that can store resonant waves holding any type of information. If and only if you become advance enough. Mbauernfeind (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

This is just general concepts each sentence can become a different section.

Mbauernfeind (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If this is your original research, then Wikipedia isn't the place for it. If the concept meets Wikipedia's requirement for notability and has achieved significant coverage in published reliable sources, then an article could be written. See WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes this is an original idea and I had no idea that you couldn't publish it on Wikipedia. Thanks for the info.

Mbauernfeind (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Could someone examine my sandbox before I go live?

User:Cartrik/sandbox#Sisterhood

Any formatting faux pas you see would be greatly appreciated.Cartrik (talk) 19:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Its nice to see you are expanding the article Mary Potter. In the sections in your sandbox you are having format problems with the quotes. Indenting doesn't work in Wikipedia as you can see. For quotes see Template:Quote to get them indented nicely.

Now that the article is getting longer and there are several references you need to indicate which statements come from which reference. See User:Yunshui/References for beginners for help in doing this. And ask here if you have any more problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Satya301 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I wish Merry Christmas to all! I want to ask about hierarchy in Wikipedia, What all i am allowed to do (as a new user) now? and will i be promoted (like will I be able to edit even semi protected article) with more no of contributions??? So is there any hierarchy in Wikipedia?? Thank you Satya301 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Satya301, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has some kind of hierarchy, so that, for example, only administrators are able to protect the article or block a user. But, basically, we are all volunteers here ad all work on the same job. All disputes are resolved trough consensus where every user's opinion is equal. You can learn all about different levels of user privileges here: Wikipedia:User access levels. Does this answer your question? Feel free to ask anything else you want to know. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:19, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

An editor needs to be autoconfirmed to edit semi-protected articles. This is not a tough threshold. If an account is at least four days old and has at least ten edits, it qualifies. But this requirement filters out a lot of vandalism only accounts. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Getting feedback on my first page

I just finished my first article and I would like to get some feedback from experienced editors before requesting the article creation. I have it in my sandbox User:GambHerno/sandbox

Thanks and any comments are welcome.GambHerno (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a comprehensive response at this time, but the immediate standouts for me are: 1) The need to be consistent with the sole use of the surname "Savoy" following the Lead section 2) Excessive use of "etc." 3) In the following sentence: "In [17], the columnist Meredith Goldstein says "I was horrified to see that the gags and methods worked" and "why this program concerns me is that the men wanted as many numbers as possible just to prove they could get them. They spoke of women like prey".", the publication name has been accidentally left out and either a comma or a colon needs to be inserted after "says".--Soulparadox (talk) 04:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

How do you add semi-protected lock for pages?

Usually, the official Wikipedia spaces for celebrities need the semi-protected locks like Taylor Swift, Emblem3, Linkin Park, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga etc, but a page, Carly Rose Sonenclar, she's a celebrity but there's no semi-protected lock. I tried to copy the code from the Taylor Swift's source, to paste it there for the lock, but once I SAVE it, there's no silver lock appearing at the upper right-hand corner of the whole article! I find it weird. I copied the Fifth Harmony's code for the semi-protected lock too, but it just can't work! Why? Must you be an administrator to add a semi-protected lock? I am already an autoconfirmed user, but I am still not that sure about Wikipedia policies, and so on. I then went back to the edit, but I saw the code for the semi-protected lock! I am perplexed, so can someone help me? In the end, I gave up and just let that page be unlocked. If any hosts here are administrators, can you add that semi-protected lock? Thanks. --Nahnah4 (talk) 04:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

You request a willing admin to do it for you here. Soham 06:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Nahnah4, the page you would request WP:PROT for in not in need of one because there is no sign of damage or in other words WP:VANDALISM on it or in foreseeable future. Being a celebrity does not necessarily mean that the article has to be protected but in most cases since these articles see an influx of vandalism they get protected. One more thing, Wikipedia is not a place for promotion and articles on celebrities are created by fellow contributors based on eligibility criteria's and not on the status of people in the society.

Also, no person or company has an "official" page in the main body of the encyclopedia. In fact, it's quite the opposite: If an article exists about you or your company, you are explicitly restricted from making significant edits to it or asking anyone to do so on your behalf. See WP:Conflict of interest and the ironically-titled Wikipedia:Ownership of articles for more information. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Nahnah4 and welcome to the teahouse. Just to clarify what Davidwr said slightly, Wikipedia policy does not at present explicitly forbid a person with a conflict of interest from editing articles relevant to that conflict, but it is strongly discouraged, as explained in the pages he wikilinked in his answer. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Another clarification, Nahnah4. We don't semi-protect articles because the subject is a celebrity. We semi-protect articles because of actual persistent vandalism. Some articles about quite famous celebrities lack recent vandalism and are able to be edited by anyone. Other articles about lesser known people are heavily vandalized due to grudges or petty scandals, and are accordingly semi-protected. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Clarification needed on a rejected article

Hi there

A few weeks ago Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nigel Randell Evans was rejected for poor referencing. I am unsure as to whether this was the way I had referenced, or the 35 references themselves. Would someone be able to review and offer advice?

Jamesd.evans (talk) 23:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

The problem here is that you haven't formatted your references properly so it's near impossible to tell if the subject is notable. See Referencing for beginners to help you with formatting them properly :) Samwalton9 (talk) 23:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response and guidance. I have annotated the first 11 references using the template. Would an expert mind reviewing and commenting before I continue.

Jamesd.evans (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Jamesd.evans. I have added a reflist template so that your citations will be automatically generated. That way if more are added later the numbers won't get out of sequence. You can delete the surplus ones that you added manually to the list. Any general references that you leave at the end of the list should have bullet points rather than numbers so that they won't be confused with the citations.

Please don't cite Wikipedia itself; the internal link is all that's necessary. Also, aren't any of these sources on line so that the reviewers can see what they say about the subject? Please add a "url=http://whatever.com" section to your citations if possible.

You will need to change the way that you write your dates; DD-MM-YY dates are non-standard and easily confused with MM-DD-YY dates. The most commonly used form is like this: 26 December 2013. If you prefer the less commonly used numerical dates, the accepted form is like this: 2013-12-26. The whole year is needed because Wikipedia has plenty of dates from other centuries. I hope this helps. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear Anne - thank you so much. A real help. Jamesd.evans (talk) 09:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding a diagram created in Excel.

Hi,

I am currently working on a new page about a Shogi tournament. I have created a tournament bracket using Excel and would like to add it to the article if possible. It's my own original work and is really nothing but some text boxes and lines. Do I just copy and paste directly into the article or is there something else that needs to be done instead. Thanks -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:01, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have checked the archives before posting. I think I found what I'm looking for in Archive 27 14. Tables and virtual editing; However, if anyone has any other suggestions, then please feel free to chime in. Thanks-- Marchjuly (talk) 12:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I want to help translate a text of a wiki page

- the russian translation is only partial....how do i do that? where do i apply / go / submit my translation?Olga Driz (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Try checking here Wikipedia:Translation, maybe that's what you're looking for. Marchjuly (talk) 13:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Need someone or a group to help about 20 editors

About 20 editors, possibly all students from the same university, seem to be informally collaborating to make boilerplate articles about businesses. However, they are making mistakes that are creating cleanup work for the rest of us. Worse, many of the articles are either about non-notable companies, which will just frustrate them when the pages are deleted, or about companies of unclear notability which will both frustrate them if the pages are deleted and hurt the encyclopedia if a needed page is deleted for lack of referencing.

What is needed here is a person or team of people who are good at making people feel welcome without being bitey. I'm not that good in this regard so I'm asking you guys for help.

For details, see User:Davidwr/Tsinghua. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 07:20, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Try talking to them on their talk pages. Also mark all bad articles for deletion. StudiesWorld (talk) 16:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. More help is definitely welcome and needed)! DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) Join WER 21:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I've left welcome messages to those listed who haven't been welcomed yet. I'll try to help more later, but family dinner right now

. Regards, Ross HillTalk • Help 22:24, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for suggesting biting the newcomers. I really want to help solve this. Is there anything I can do to help? StudiesWorld (talk) 10:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

If you have a good working knowledge of Wikipedia practices, particularly in business-related articles, and you have good "people skills"/"diplomatic skills" then yes, you are exactly the type of person who can help. I'm asking for help because my diplomatic skills are weak enough that I'm liable to drive these editors away if I don't have some help from people with better "people skills" than I have. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I have dropped a note about this at the WP:Education noticeboard. Managing and assisting student projects are the responsibility of the WP:Education program. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Can i edit semi-protected article

Hello, I want to edit a article it is showing "this is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it". What does it mean. can i edit this page as a registered user. please help in which way i can edit this article Kpintu (talk) 13:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

You can edit it since you have more than 10 edits and are more than 4 days old, account-wise.--Gilderien Chat|What I've done 14:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Your account is autoconfirmed so you should be able to edit the page. The message is an informational note and doesn't mean you are unable or disallowed to edit the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

New Article Creation about an old temple in Halasuru

Hi Team,

I want to write a new article about an ancient Adhi Vinayaka Temple at Halasuru. I have searched wikipedia to ensure there are no articles on this temple. Please guide me.

Regards, VenuVenu.mojo (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Venu, and welcome to the Teahouse!

I've noticed that HitroMilanese has already put a "welcome" menu on your talk page, which has plenty of useful suggestions. The first thing you need to do for writing an article is to establish notability by finding reliable sources for Adhi Vinayaka Temple at Halasuru. There is a Temples section in our Halasuru article (which redirects to Ulsoor). You could start by adding a mention there. Another suggestion would be to check out Portal: Karnataka and find assistance from somebody at Wikipedia: WikiProject Karnataka or Wikipedia: WikiProject India. The {{find sources}} template might be useful, ie:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL — (But as you know, there are various spelling possibilities)

~I hope this helps! ~Eric F:71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Modified:71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

article creation review?

G'day all, I have made a draft for a new article at User:PrimalBlueWolf/Command: Modern Air Naval Warfare and I am looking for feedback on what I should be doing to this article before submitting it at AfC. I have more references than most articles this size, but I am worried that some of them are not independent enough sources. Basically it will be my first article, so I am hoping to get some advice before submission is all. Thanks! PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 14:36, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Just for documentation, this article has passed review and is now in article space at Command: Modern Air Naval Operations.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Editing and deleting a page

Dear friends, I need to add up a "List of Nepalese" singers page. Since nepalese singers are also called "Nepali Singers" so i want a page which redirects on same page, while you write wither of the name. Already there was a "nepalese singer" page which seems to be automatically created page, using which I have no idea. I have created a "List of Nepali/Nepalese singer" page which is hardly listed while you google, because of having a long name. I then created a "List of Nepalese singer" page, to which it isnt redirected if you type list of nepali singer while you google. Now (1)i want to delete the former "List of Nepali/Nepalese singer" page (2) Make a "List of Nepalese Singers" page(which is not automatically created list page), to which google redirects when you type "List of Nepali Singers". So, I want suggestions to make my next move and your technical support to do so. Sushant Rijal (talk) 04:22, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sushant Rijal, welcome to the Teahouse. The automatically populated page is Category:Nepalese singers. Entries are added by placing [[Category:Nepalese singers]] on their own articles. See more at Help:Category. We don't copy page content to alternative titles. See Help:Redirect for how to redirect a title instead. We don't use double names in titles as in List of Nepali/Nepalese singers so I have moved that to List of Nepalese singers and redirected List of Nepali Singers to it instead of to Category:Nepalese singers. It can take time before Google registers changes to a website and updates their search index. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Not so fast! There is an important distinction between "Nepali" and "Nepalese". "Nepali" is an ethnic group and a language. "Nepalese" is the demonym for a citizen of Nepal. There are Nepali people who are not Nepalese and there are Nepalese who are not Nepali. Please make sure this distinction is not being ignored or erased. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

The poster equated them and no distinction has been erased as far as I can tell. List of Nepali Singers had always been a redirect to Category:Nepalese singers and not a list. All blue links in List of Nepali/Nepalese singers said the subject was from Nepal or were in a category with "Nepalese" in the name, except Anil Singh which doesn't mention singing (except nearly in the title :-). It's apparently another person so I have changed it to a red link.[3] I haven't investigated the existing red links. We would normally require either a blue link to an existing article or a good reference in such lists but that's another matter. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Templates

There used to be a list of available templates you could use but I can't find it. where is this list?

also, it appears that creation of templates seems to be missing some critical information such as overall syntax without having to troll through thousands of pages to accidentally happen upon it. Robert Dell (talk) 03:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is Wikipedia:Template messages the page you were looking for? It's an index of all the various templates available - you can easily get there in the future by going to WP:TEMP.

As for creating templates, it can definitely be confusing at first, though Help:Template provides a pretty good guide for creating them. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with my article

Hi I'm attempting to put together an article for the company I work for One Call Insurance. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/One Call Insurance It's been submitted a few times but rejected every time.

I've scowered the internet but I'm having trouble coming up with references to boost our page. Can anyone give me some help as to how to make the article better and get it submitted.

Rhousham (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Rhousham. The first thing you need to do is read conflict of interest to understand why you are strongly discouraged from writing an article about the company you work for. Then you need to look at WP:CORP to see what the criteria are which specify whether or not a company is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and may be the subject of an article. If the references (to reliable sources, independent of the company) do not exist, then it is not possible at present to write an article about it which will be accepted. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Rhousham. There is something that I see that concerns me very much. Someone has uploaded the logo of the company you work for to Wikimedia Commons under a free Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license. That user's name is Teknicolourfox, and you have linked to that image in your draft. Do you realize that this freely releases almost all of the control of the copyright to this logo, except attribution? In other words, your company's competitors can now use this logo in attack ads criticizing your company, perhaps with big red Xs superimposed. Or if your company becomes really famous, people can sell T-shirts, coffee cups and posters with your logo, without your permission and without paying your company a penny? Is this what your company really wants to do with your intellectual property? I own a small business, and I would never, ever release my company logo in this way. I encourage you to look into this immediately. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Editing a page, not sure about scope...

Hi guys I am currently editing my first wiki article. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_sur_le_d%C3%A9sastre_de_Lisbonne).

I believe I can both improve the clarity and depth of the article whilst also tidying up some grammar.

Since the article is ultimately about a poem, am I permitted to put the WPPOETRY tag on the top? Or does it first have to approved as being within the scope of the WikiProject Poetry group?

Thanks!

EDIT: I have been going over this page more and I have found basically the entire article has been lifted from clfifnotes (word for word copy paste in some sections). There is mention of cliffsnotes as a source/reference, but I didn't think this was permitted? If it isn't, I'll get to work on fixing it up (I'll look around to see if you are actually allowed to do what the original author of this article did).

Voltaire&Leibniz (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Voltaire&Leibniz!

While waiting for a "real host" to return from the Teahouse Holiday Extravaganza (and sober up), I'll attempt a reply... First, thank you for your interest in correcting grammar-n'stuff! Go ahead and be bold! Don't worry if you mess up, somebody will eventually fix it; and don't take it personally if you get reverted. Yes, copy/paste is a definite no-no! I believe it would be okay to add the poetry project tag to the talk page (again, somebody will remove it, if deemed inappropriate). ~Happy editing, ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC) and edit:71.20.250.51 (talk) 04:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, we've got a bunch of issues here: Am I a "real host"? Am I sober enough to comment? Are Cliffs Notes summaries subject to copyright law? And so on. Statistics indicate that I am a very active host here and criticism of my participation to date has been rare. My drinking tonight has been moderate. So, I will continue. Cliff Notes are copyrighted original works. Even though they are summaries of other copyrighted works, and although their usage is often criticized by teachers and professors, it is absolutely impermissable to "cut and paste" large sections from Cliffs Notes into a Wikipedia article. Although quoting a sentence or two is permissable, cited and within quotation marks, more extensive copying should be reverted on sight. Please refer to WP:COPYVIO for more information. Happy New Year! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:55, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding reference provided for the article

I have created an article about a singer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooraj_Santhosh but it was rejected due to poor referencing. I have provided all references. Newspaper articles, magazines, all soundtracks, even a nomination for the forthcoming Oscar Awards (Original Song category) Would someone be able to review and offer advice please? I need the article published as soon as possible.

Thank you Forthesakeofmusic 10:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forthesakeofmusic (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In future, when referring from one Wikipedia page to another it is better to use a wikilink like Sooraj Santhosh rather than a url like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooraj_Santhosh. The article has not been "rejected", but it can, of course, be improved by you and other editors. If, as User:Forthesakeofmusic implies, you are in fact the subject of the article, then you have a conflict of interest and you ought not to be editing the article yourself. As far as "I need the article published as soon as possible." is concerned, I would remind you that there is no deadline. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Um, the article already is "published", it's in article space. The links in the "external references" section seem far more reliable than the current references. I recommend using them.--Jakob (talk) 12:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

how does my first article look?

it's called "old hachita" no quotations. is there anything i can do to improve? BigBadJohn1 (talk) 04:23, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, BigBadJohn1, and Welcome to the Teahouse. First, an advice: when you write about an article, you should make a link. You do it by placing [[ and ]] before and after you type the name of the article. So, when typing, you should type [[Old Hachita]], and it gives this: Old Hachita. See, that way the article is linked, and I just need to click it, I don't have to search for it. Your article passed the new pages patrol process, which means that it satisfies basic Wikipedia demands and will not be deleted. But, you should still improve the article, because it has some issues:

The article is very short (in Wikipedia, we call it a wp:Stub). It needs to be longer.
The article contains only one real source (this one). The other one is just photos, no text. You should look for some other reliable sources for the article.
The article is not categorized. Every Wikipdia article has to be added to at least some categories. Learn more about this here: Help:Category.
The article has no links to other Wikipedia articles, which are necessary in order to integrate the article into Wikipedia. Learn more about making links here: WP:Links.
The sources that are cited are given in the form of bare URLs. They need to be properly formated. Learn more about this here: WP:Bare URLs.

Those are the most important problems. As I said, you don't have to hurry, the article will probably not be deleted. You should read those guidelines I gave above carefully, and work to improve the article. If you need any help, feel free to ask here. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Now I looked at other ghost town articles, and they all have New Mexico or their state name in their title. How do I change the title of my article to Old Hachita, New Mexico? BigBadJohn1 (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Done I've done it for you. You do it by clicking "move" button on top of the article (see: WP:MOVE). Vanjagenije (talk) 13:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Internal link to a subsection of an article

Is it possible to use an internal link to a sub-section of a Wikipedia page? I'm looking at a page with an internal link to another page where there seems to be no relevance to the originating page Julesomega (talk) 14:34, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes! By using a # in the wikilink you can link to any section heading of another article like so: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Internal link to a subsection of an article]] which would show as Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Internal link to a subsection of an article. Obviously you can still use the pipe to make it read as something else; [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Internal link to a subsection of an article|Your question]] shows as Your question :) Samwalton9 (talk) 14:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Super! Thanks Sam Julesomega (talk) 14:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

how can i remove speedy delation on my articles?

Mr Vanjagenije

How can i remove the deletion tag to my article I provided the details of the subject I m open any suggestion to improve my article in wikipedia Please don't delete the page thank you very much the link of the article Benjamin S. Palaroan Jr. Licensed Real Estate Broker in the Philippines Bpalaroanjr (talk) 13:10, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I have changed your question to include a WP:wikilink, rather than the URL. The article is unsourced, and blatantly promotional, so has no chance of avoiding deletion. From your user name it also sounds as if you have a conflict of interest. If you wish to think about writing a Wikipedia article about a subject with which you don't have such a conflict of interest, please read WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Hi Bpalaronjr, welcome to the teahouse! If you feel that the speedy deletion criterion given does not apply to the article, you should explain why on the talk page of the article.

That's if it has not already been speedy deleted, of course.

To avoid a new article being marked for speedy deletion, you could instead create it at WP:AFC. Everything happens much more slowly there (like treacle) so it normally gives one a chance to improve an article until it is ready for acceptance, rather than it being speedily deleted immediately. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bpalaroanjr. Your article was deleted because it was promotional (which is the violation of Wikipedia policy), moreover, it was a promotion of yourself. Wikipedia does not allow writing autobiographies (see: wp:Autobiography). The article was also completely unsourced, which is the violation of WP:BLP policy. You should really not try to write another article about yourself, but you are welcomed to write articles about other stuff, not directly connected to you. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with Revising Article

Hi Cullen328. How can I help to revise the article on Seth Michelson in order to get it published? I saw an offer for help from Teahouse with it.... Thanks!

PVFanta (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Always best to give a link to the article in question; in this case presumably Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Seth Michelson. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

When I look at that draft article, PVFanta, the first thing that jumps out at me is the mention of winning the non-notable "International Book Award". That is a Pay to play award where authors self-nominate their own books, and pay a fee to compete. Receiving such an "award" simply doesn't confer notability on either the author or the book. So, my recommendation is to remove everything that doesn't show notability. Please review our notability guidelines for academics and authors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

trimming a bloated article

the tom wolfe book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test had a severely bloated article apparently done as a class project earlier this year. i deleted the worst offending sections and am willing to clean it up but not to spend hours on it or engage in an edit war. the article seems less active than i would have expected. robotwisdom (talk) 20:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, robotwisdom, and welcome to the Teahouse. What exactly is your question? How can we help you? Vanjagenije (talk) 23:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

i went to the article cited, looking for a summary of the book. i was surprised that the first few sections on the page were long, wordy, subjective discussions of the author and the subjects of the book, which have their own articles elsewhere. i raised the question in 'Talk' but the debate there was all two or more years old, so rather than wait for someone else to do something i just mass-deleted the offending sections... and sat back to see if anyone was going to notice. looking next at the article history it appeared some class project was responsible for the bloat, earlier this year, and it's gotten several small tweaks but nobody's commented on the bigger challenge. robotwisdom (talk) 23:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, as far as I see, you made a good job. You've done nothing wrong. You followed Wikipedia's policy WP:BEBOLD, which is correct. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

why are they waggling at me?

one segment of the menu-bar at the top of most articles waggles like it wants my attention. why? robotwisdom (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

...anyone? robotwisdom (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

......am i doing this wrong? robotwisdom (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Robotwisdom, please bear in mind everyone who answers here are volunteers so it might be time until someone gets round to responding. What you are seeing sounds to me like a possible issue with the css. As this can be affected by external factors, what browser and operating system are you using? NtheP (talk) 22:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

You're doing this fine, be patient. I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about though, could you provide a screenshot or pinpoint what it is you're seeing? Samwalton9 (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

it can't be just me! the line "Article Talk Read Edit source Edit beta View history [star]" from 'Read' to 'history' slides quickly left and right like a sword and scabbard. robotwisdom (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

it could just be you, that's why knowing which browser and os you're using helps. NtheP (talk) 23:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

firefox/windows vista robotwisdom (talk) 23:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, let's see what any of the techies make of this. In the meantime have you tried another browser to see if the same thing happens? NtheP (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Robotwisdom and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that what you are experiencing is a little bit of a delay while waiting for JavaScript to load using a Gadget known as Preferences → Gadgets. If you follow the "Gadget" link, scroll down to the Appearance section and uncheck the box in front of Enable toggling between tabs and dropdown menus in the Vector skin., your "waggling" should go away and there should just be the string of links. If you like having this collapsed , then you could just ignore it and know that you are not doing anything wrong, it's just a matter of waiting for the page to fully load. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

that box wasn't checked, under gadgets. should i check it? the problem has gone away for the moment anyway. robotwisdom (talk) 00:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I would say that you are fine... I'd say it was likely just a fluke and the system thought you were using it but visiting the gadget's page fixed it. That's going to be what I go with unless the problem comes back, in which case please ping me and I'll help you work it out. :) Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

when i reopened my laptop, the wikipedia article i'd had open started waggling again. when i reloaded it it stopped. robotwisdom (talk) 02:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is just a matter of needing to clear your cache at this point as although your account no longer thinks you're using that gadget, your browser hasn't caught up on this information yet. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 02:54, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Controversial medical topic, trying to help around the edges, and running into aggressive editors.

I started with what I thought was a safe corner of a medical controversy, just to expand on the stub about a medical society which holds a prominent minority opinion. I got reverted twice without any comments for carefully constructed facts about that organization. I am sure I made mistakes, but you have to start somewhere, and would love it if someone could look over the talk and give me advice. All I am trying to do is include the publicly verifiable key points of this organization.

wikipedia:ILADS is the article.

Thanks!Bob the goodwin (talk) 08:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The article is International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society and there was an explanation in the edit summary about WP:Due weight Theroadislong (talk) 09:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this is a newbie question, but simply citing a policy but ignoring all the evidence I put into the talk pages does not help me understand. I asked two specific questions, and I totally get that I could be wrong, but I how do I proceed?

1. The organization is a significant minority viewpoint, with names of adherents that are prominent. 2. This is an article about the significant minority viewpoint organization, not about the treatment.

How does a newbie correct errors if there is no discussion about the errors. Again, the errors may be mine, I am acting in good faith.Bob the goodwin (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Bob the goodwin. I think that you will find that the experienced editors who work on a wide variety of controversial medical topics are very firm in insisting that these articles accurately reflect what the broad consensus of mainstream medicine says about these topics. They work very hard on many articles to prevent cranks and fringe advocates from taking over these articles. An article about a group can't be used as a coatrack to promote treatment regimens not accepted by the medical mainstream. Accordingly, those editors often lack the patience for lengthy explanations of policies and guidelines. I encourage you to study those policies and guidelines yourself, and you can always ask specific questions here at the Teahouse. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

You went up against the Lyme people?!? What a brave brave person! IMHO, there is no 'safe corner' where the Lyme disease people are concerned. I'm sure they are lovely but I believe it best to just let them get on with whatever it is they do. Regards and apologies for adding to the answer, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 06:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Seeking help with article

Greetings,

I've been trying to add useful material to the article on Allan Rae (Alberta composer). I'm not sure about a number of items and have asked questions at the pages talk page. If any experienced editor might be interested, I would appreciate any advice and suggestions.

I've added works lists and tried to improve the biography, though I really think it needs to be rewritten. The sources I have include an online encyclopedia, Baker's dictionary of musicians and various other documents.

The information about his works comes from his webpage (which is now gone!) and from a resume he forwarded to me. How should this be cited? However, a version of his webpage can be found at the Wayback Machine. Ought I to link to that? I've also linked to a couple of articles and a Youtube video of one of his compositions. Is this okay?

Any advice appreciated.

Rumsong (talk) 05:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

~~The problem with each of these records ...~~ Sorry, wrong section. Computer glitch. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:09, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Greetings,

Way above my head. Sorry. Are you suggesting that the article might be deleted for not being about a notable enough musician? It seems to me that he does meet the minimum at the notability page. Rumsong (talk) 05:49, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Greetings,

Well, that's a relief! I was really confused. Thanks for the clarification! Still looking forward to help when possible. Rumsong (talk) 06:40, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Rumsong and welcome to the teahouse. One issue here is that Rae's own webpage (or his resume) are not independent and are therefore no use in proving his notability. So it's fine to use a wayback machine link when filling out the citation that references his website, but what you really need are independent sources, for example books, magazines, newspapers or major music websites with established professional editorial staff that discuss his work in detail. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Greetings. Thanks for the comments. I see warning banners and have removed material that is poorly sourced. So for the works list we need an independent article about them? They are listed at the Canadian Music Centre (almost up-to-date), In Baker's Biographical Dictionary (20 years out of date). The link to the Canadian Encyclopedia is dead, but there IS are article about Allan Rae there. How can we reapair this link? Any ideas? This is the correct page link: http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/en/article/allan-rae-emc/ Rumsong (talk) 04:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! The link is not dead, maybe it was temporarily broken. You may find some sources using Google Books search: [4]. The article really needs more sources, because he is living person, and policy WP:BLP is very strict about verifability of the information about living persons. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Lost Password, no email attached

Forgot password for my account "Ampersand&Ampersand" but when I try to get a temporary password I get the error message "no email attached to this account". Please help.39.32.99.77 (talk) 14:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Since you haven't set an email address and you don't have a WP:Committed identity, I'm afraid the only thing you can do is create a new account and link it to the old one. Sorry :-( --Jakob (talk) 15:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Article written. Need someone to add it to Wiki

Hello, I have written a bio about a notable independent american singer and I need an experienced wiki writer to add it so that it cannot be deleted. I have the article and links to all the notable media. Please help. Thank you.50.14.57.44 (talk) 16:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey person editing from 50.14.57.44. What I suggest is that you sign up for an account, then go to the article wizard and go through that process which will allow you to submit your content as a draft through articles for creation. Once submitted, you can then ask for help with copyediting, formatting and the like. It's very difficult to commit to helping when we have not seen a glimmer of the content. It might be a simple matter to help fix it up, or it might be the proposed article is not suitable because, for example, the subject is not truly notable because the sources you have in mind are mere passing mention, are not reliable, or the content is entirely written like an advertisement. I am not saying this will come to pass but it's not uncommon, so we really need to see what you have in mind and have the content already present, in a form that we can assess and work on it. By the way, this site is called Wikipedia, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio?

Hi, I was looking at the Herm article, in a run up to an attempt to get it to GA standard, but I saw that much of the prose is the same as a website. Do you think that the Wikipedia page was copied from there, or it is the usual copying off Wikipedia? Thanks, Mat ty.007 21:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

This appears to be a diff which added some of the identical information. Since the website in question was registered in 2008 I think the info was copied from Wiki not to Wiki. Samwalton9 (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Mat ty.007 17:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Referencing a novel's summary.

I'm editing an article about a novel, and was wondering how I could reference its summary section. Is it okay to reference the book's Amazon page because a summary is found there? Where else can I find places that contain reference-able book summaries? Can I reference the book itself?

Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Bananasoldier. As an exception to the general rule for most of our content, pure plot summary material does not need to be sourced (however, avoid novel interpretation, synthesis and analysis of the plot – that must be sourced; make sure the article is not just a plot; and avoid writing solely from an in-universe perspective). One caveat though: as with quotations used anywhere, if you quote from the book in the plot summary, that must be sourced to the book itself using an inline citation (be sure to include a page number). Otherwise, we take is as given that the book's content (or film and so on) is the source of the plot summary provided and do not require secondary sources. Meanwhile, anonymous reviews submitted by random people to sites like Amazon are not reliable sources and should not be used at all. For further resources and information in this area, see Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, Wikipedia:Plot-only description of fictional works and Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Bananasoldier (talk) 18:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Reference

Hi, please can someone help me add http://www.google.co.uk/ url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fherm.com%2Ffiles%2Fpdf%2Fstaff_handbook_2013.pdf&ei=8oPAUo3vB9PX7AafjYHAAQ&usg=AFQjCNGUPUsi_QOugTOuJJxUyVLO0FMQ7A&bvm=bv.58187178,d.ZGU (no space) reference to a draft page please? Please could it be formatted on my talk, as I don't know how to bypass the blacklist? Thanks, Mat ty.007 21:04, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you format your question better, I'm confused what it is you're trying to add as the url isn't correct. Samwalton9 (talk) 21:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

If I've got what you want to do right, it would be better to use the actual URL http://herm.com/files/pdf/staff_handbook_2013.pdf rather than the google search term you've used to find it. Rojomoke (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I've had this problem before, but I forgot how to get around it. Thanks for the help! Mat ty.007 21:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Where can I find all the article & area templates?

Specifically, I was wondering if there was a code for a "this area is outdated" template. I know there's a "this article is outdated," but is there one for an area?

Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by area? There are templates for sections if that's what you mean. Samwalton9 (talk) 01:51, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes! Sections is what I'm referring to. Where can I find section templates? Bananasoldier (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can tell there is no small template for a section being outdated, and you just need to specify the section with the main template as so: {{Update|section name}}. See Template:Update for more info on that. Samwalton9 (talk) 02:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Very speedy reply, too! :D Bananasoldier (talk) 02:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Simply say {{Update|section}} to get "This section is outdated. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information." PrimeHunter (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

As for a list of all the different templates, there's an index of templates at Wikipedia:Template messages. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you all! Bananasoldier (talk) 02:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

If a place has not shown up on international, national or local news, is it notable?

I found a page on Special:NewPages that was about a 'barangay' in the Philippines. Is it significant? --Minimalist 12:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Ipal64 and welcome to the Teahouse. A Barangay is the lowest level of geographic administrative unit in the Philippines. Accordingly, a barangay could or could not be notable, depending on the specific situation. If it is a village; namely a discrete populated area, it is probably notable. Wikipedia incorporates features of a gazetteer and should ideally have articles about every city, town and village on Earth. But if this particular "barangay" is simply a neighborhood or district of a town, then it may not be notable. Sources establishing notability need not be "news" sources. Books are also valid sources, as are academic journals. If you gave a specific example, then Teahouse hosts could give specific opinion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

A general statement, with a disclaimer. I only work on US geographic places, but for them, the existence of any of the following ensures notability: a) Being on an official map at any point in time, b) Having an official post office at any point in time, or c) Having census data specifically under the settlement's name at any point in time. Hope that is helpful. John from Idegon (talk) 05:12, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

To be specific, the page I saw was Panducot. --Minimalist (Let's talk.) 05:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)