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Teahouse Question

Why is that when I use the Ask Question link, my question appears at the bottom of the page? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:18, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Like now!? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It appears to be fine when I tested it. Perhaps it is a preference settings issue.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It has to do with if you wait long enough for the JavaScript to completely load on the page... System default is for bottom posting and the Teahouse does it weird and backwards for top posting. There have been some discussions about it, but no consensus to change it at this point. Technical 13 (talk) 01:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page

Hello,

I recently created a wikipedia page and it has not gone live yet. I was wondering if I missed a step ? or if there was a problem with my article.

Thank you,

Cmchatton (talk) 18:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide a link for it? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, are you talking about your article on Youngme Moon that you've started on your userpage User:Cmchatton. There's two issues here, have you missed a step? Yes, it's in the wrong place and needs moving to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Youngme Moon -that's easily taken care of though. Just shout when you'd like it moving. The second issue is that, to me, it just reads like a resumé and not a biography. Have a look at some biography articles and see how the good ones are written and use those as a basis. NtheP (talk) 18:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cmchatton

Thank you.

Cmchatton (talk) 18:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

You created an article in you own User page. Try to use the New article wizard. Hope this helps. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

It is very common for an editor to create an article in the sandbox or user space as a draft then copy the information to article space. It is actually easier than that. Just type the article name into the search box. It will come up red linked in the search results with a statement:"You may create the page "Article Title", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.". Just click on the red linked article and the edit box comes up since no article exists. Then, simply copy paste your draft into the page. Make sure you give it a category and start the talk page by adding any relevant project rating templates and rate it as either a stub (if it is short) or start (if it has good length but still not a full C or B class article. As long as you are the sole contributor on your user space draft (sometimes people drop by to make corrections) you need not do any attribution. If there are other contributors you should follow merge and copy guidelines by simple adding an edit summary when you copy the draft into the article space by stating(with links to the two articles. The draft and the new article being created that the edit summary is going on): "Content from draft article [[Subpage article title]] to [[Article tile]]. To give proper attribution to anyone who may have helped.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

power and numbers

I've signed in and i can't do powers or powers at the bottom of a number . how do i do it ? jj (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

JJ, hi. If you just dealing with straightforward text it sounds like you need to use the  and  tags to produce superscripts and subscripts respectively

So for something like x² you need to type x2 and for x₂ you need to type x2. If you are wanting to do a lot of mathematical notation then you might want to check out Help:Displaying a formula and the use of LaTeX markup. NtheP (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Use of a restaurant logo

I have written an article about a national restaurant chain. I wanted to include the restaurant's logo in the infobox. I uploaded it and then attempted to a Non-free use rationale logo, similar to what I had seen used for many other restaurant logos appearing on Wikipedia. But I keep getting notices about speedy deletion. How to I properly format the Summary and Licensing section to preserve the image in the infobox? (I am a newbie to writing on Wikipedia so please bear with me if I don't understand all the lingo, etc.) Fatheroday (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Fatheroday, hi and welcome. I can only find that you've uploaded File:Uncle Maddio's Pizza Joint logo.png to Wikimedia Commons where fair use images are not allowed. Commons images must have a free licence. You can upload the logo to Wikipedia using the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard and add a fair use rationale allowing it's use on a single article here on the English Wikipedia. NtheP (talk) 15:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I don't think I recognized the difference between the two. I will give that a try.

Fatheroday (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Installing

How do I install User:Dr pda/prosesize.js for DYK?--Typing General (talk) 07:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Typing General. User:Dr pda/prosesize#Installing the script says: Add {{subst:js|User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js}} to your skin script file (i.e. User:YourUserName/vector.js when using the Vector skin) and save it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.--Typing General (talk) 22:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

How to edit the Article Name/ Topic that i misspelled while creating

I created an article on "Crescerance" but i misspelled it while creating it as "Crescrance",now it appears on search as Crescrance. How can i get it corrected or correct it myself. the editor doesn't let me edit the article topic/name.

if this doesn't happen, i may have to delete it and rewrite an article because its incorrect. WOuld be great if someone could help me with this.

Much Thanks, Sakshi Sakshi Anand (talk) 06:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I moved it for you. Next time I'll be able to tell you how. LOL. Checkingfax (talk) 06:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't know where else to ask: new editing format

Hi i recently got back into editing wikipedia, i dont know where to protest or give feedback on the new editing format. It is very slow and doesn't work for me, and I can barely edit even the smallest things. I have fairly good internet and a newish laptop from 2012 and every time i try to edit, my internet starts to freeze up and i am very frustrated cause i can't edit anything. You might think this new format is intuitive but it's the opposite, editing the wold way was much smoother and quicker. If you think I will get "used to it" over time how is that possible when i can't even edit because my computer freezes when i try to. I wish we had the option of choosing between the two. Please help me fix this or show me how to get to the old format because I am unable to edit anything right now, even fix vandalism because this new system is so slow and non-functioning. Cadiomals (talk) 23:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey there! Welcome back to editing. The new editor is slow for some, however the old editor (Wiki text) is still available if you click on "edit source" instead of "edit". If you wish to give feedback (nicely), you can do so at WP:VE/F. Also, remember that the visual editor is only enabled in Articlespace (mainspace) and Userspace, so talkpages, the teahouse, WP help pages, etc. all still use the old editor by default. Happy editing! ~Charmlet ^-talk- 00:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

ok thanks, just by scrolling down through this page a found the way to permanently change it back through the preferences. ty 00:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The new system (Virtual Editor) is not going to get any better if nobody uses it. I would encourage you to re-enable it and use it whenever possible. Maybe try changing your browser. I've found that Google Chrome works better ... and in fact offers more functionality than Internet Explorer. Cheers. Checkingfax (talk) 06:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

A while back I came to the defense of the developers when some people were taking what (at least to me) seemed like cheap shots at them for the new visual editor. Now I'm coming from the other point of view. Its never the responsibility of end users to adapt their habits to the software. It works the other way around -- the developers need to listen to the end users and adapt the software appropriately. If people aren't using the visual editor, that's a sign that perhaps the full rollout (my understanding its in beta now) should be delayed. I used to program and lead programmers for a living and so far from the few times I've tried the Visual Editor its slow and error prone and I won't use it as is. And I do most of my work on a Chromebook, a thin client computer designed from the ground up to use Google's Chrome browser. (and if this seems inconsistent with what I said before its not, this kind of thing is the reason you do beta testing and some times the proper response to a test is to say things need more work before it goes live) Mad Scientist (talk) 12:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Draw

I made a draw of a picture (probably copyrighted), but the draw is made by myself, I would like to upload it to use it in my userpage, with a cool design I am working on. The question is: Does this draw share the same copyright as the real picture? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 14:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Good question, Miss Bono. Your sketch falls under what is called a derivative work, meaning anything that is based off of a copyright work. The only way these can be used is under a claim of fair use. There are two questions involved in your situation:

How different is your work from the copyrighted work it is based from?
What are you using it for?

If your work is pretty much the same as the original work, then you've reduced your ability to claim fair use. Also, if you're only planning on using it on your userpage (as opposed to using it to illustrate the subject of an article), this is generally a strike against a fair use claim as well. So, my recommendation is that you should not upload this to Wikipedia. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 15:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer Jeth, I always look forward for it ;)... Well, I think I'll have to make a draw of these guys using my own imagination... I spent hours in Photoshop :( Miss Bono^[zootalk] 15:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miss Bono, and welcome back to the teahouse with another question! :) The question is, is the photograph in the public domain or CC-BY licenced? If it is, then there's not an issue (paraphrased quote from NotASpy on IRC). Technical 13 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Tech, I am not sure. If I give you some details of the image can you find out the liscence? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 16:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, you know I would be happy to see what I can find. :) Technical 13 (talk) 16:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Okis Tech! See this link. I downloaded it a few month ago in a chance I had to surf on the internet click it It's the picture in the banner, though I drew a version of the picture where it was shown the entire body of the guys. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 16:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

"This website doesn't supply ownership information" is what I am getting and we need to assume in those cases that it is a copyrighted image. Sorry dear. :/ Technical 13 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Tech, I was having lunch, so I couldn't reply earlier :) Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono—I'm not clear about something—is your drawing of a photograph or is your drawing of a drawing? Can you clarify that point? Perhaps that point has bearing on this question. Bus stop (talk) 17:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bus stop It's a drawing of the photograph shown in the website. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I would think a drawing of a photograph might look considerably different from the photograph. I don't have expertise in this area. But I think drawings generally do not have the level of verisimilitude that photographs generally have. I don't know if this has bearing on the question. Bus stop (talk) 17:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't get your point, Bus :'( Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono—one of the questions posed was "How different is your work from the copyrighted work it is based from?"[1] I can't answer that because I have not seen the drawing. Bus stop (talk) 18:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Bus stop It is pretty much the same but with lower quality, my draw doesn't shows the car and instead of the original bckground there is an Irish flag behind the guys! Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:52, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

This issue seems rather complicated; Miss Bono,I'd recommend bringing your question over to Media copyright questions to get another opinion on the matter. It actually might be helpful to upload your picture (either on Wikipedia or elsewhere). If there is consensus that it's not sufficient under a fair use claim, you can simply request its deletion. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 18:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, I will upload it and will tell... Thanks! I didn't want to cause so much mess. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 19:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I actually asked the copyright experts on the IRC #wikimedia-commons channel, and my answer above was what they had told me. If you can email the drawing to me Miss Bono, and I'd be happy to compare it to the original and let you know what I think. :) Technical 13 (talk) 17:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh Tech! I cannot send email with attachments until September. How can we do? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Upload it to any site that does uploads next time you can surf the web (FaceBook, Flikr, or even http://ddowiki.com for all I care) and send me a link. Technical 13 (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech It is likely that I can send email before I can sur on the net. Let's see what can I do. Otherwise I could upload it here (not commons) and give you a link. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Notable manufacturers

Utility_location contains a section Notable manufacturers containing external links, which may not be notable at all. Should I delete them, or move them to the external links section, or what? Wikfr (talk) 00:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles should not contain off wiki links in the body. Move them to external links if they are clearly not bare url references. Fix the referencing formatting if they are.Amadscientist (talk) 01:19, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I do not think that any external links to commercial websites belong in an article such as this about a generic type of technology. I consider that spamming. It is OK to wikilink to Wikipedia articles about notable companies such as Ditch Witch, and that article can have an external link to that company's website. Commercial links only belong in articles about those specific commercial entities and their brand specific products. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I simply want to create an article from my user page

I am incredibly new to wikipedia and just would like some detailed instructions on how to create an article. I have copied and pasted everything in my sandbox to my user page, I just need to know what to do next. Muchos gracias! Intern-DC (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Buenos dias, Intern-DC, and bienvenidos to The Teahouse. Wikipedia:Article wizard will tell you what to do. ~~What is the name of the article you want to write?~~ One way to start is to change the name of the article to User:Intern-DC/The Bretton Woods Committee. — Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I have moved the page. You can put whatever content you want describing your interests and Wikipedia activities, within reason, on your user page; click on that link to get there.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Jac16888 for helping straighten out the mess.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you-I also somehow found the markup that worked to submit the article for review, so fingers crossed! I am definitely new to wikipedia so this is much appreciated. Intern-DC (talk) 21:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

lock

i want for only me to be able to edit my user page , protecting it from anyone who may remove my work.jj (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I think that's not possible for everyone. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, JJ! Unfortunately, there is nothing that says specifically that a page creator can be the only one to edit your user page. The closest thing there is would be WP:RFPP, or "requests for page protection". If your page is semi-protected, that means you must have had an account for four days and have ten edits to edit that page, which generally means you're a good editor. However, your user page must have been a frequent target of vandalism for that, which it unfortunately is not. The bright side is that you will probably never encounter user page vandalism, but if you do a good editor will "revert" the vandalism, meaning that everything is back to normal. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 17:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

How I do become a Teahouse Host

Hi,I want to know how I can become a teahouse Host ~ Carliitaeliza TALK 15:42, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Carliitaeliza, and I'd answer your question, but it looks like you figured it out already! You don't actually need to seek approval to be a host, you just need to be willing to lend a hand and have some evidence of experience editing and interacting with other users. You might find some of these automated tools helpful in your hosting duties. Welcome, and thanks for hosting. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 15:57, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

oh,thanks! Carliitaeliza TALK 16:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

How to became a confirmed username

Hi Ryan Vesey and Hi Everybody!

Thanks to choose me a guest on your TeaHousea! I have a question: How to make my username confirmed? I want to upload images on Wikipedia

Thanks, and Bye!Thoriq Dhiyaan Azka Rahmat (talk) 10:41, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Thoriq Dhiyaan Azka Rahmat and welcome. I believe users are autoconfirmed after 4 days and at least 10 edits. Flat Out let's discuss it 10:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you will be able to upload images here in 3 days. Until then you can use Wikipedia:Files for upload. If the image has a suitable free license then you can upload right now at commons:Special:UploadWizard and use the image in the English Wikipedia in exactly the same way as if it was uploaded here. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Greetings Thoriq. In addition to the great information provided above I wanted to say a bit more about images in Wikipedia. You sound like a relatively new user and this is something that confused me and I've seen a lot of questions in the teahouse indicating I'm not the only one. The most important thing to remember is that forget everything you've done in the past uploading images to sites like Facebook. The rules are different and much stricter here because Wikipedia is a different kind of site than Facebook or a personal blog. My starting rule of thumb is: "if you aren't sure you have the legal right to use the file then assume you don't" There are two ways images get into Wikipedia. First there is the Wikipedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page This is the best place for editors to get images. Always look in the Commons first. Anything in the Commons Wikipedia has full rights for and you can just use it, no worries. The other way is the Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard this is for uploading files that can only be used in a specific way for specific articles. The forms in the upload wizard will ask you a bunch of questions about the file and how you plan to use it. If you get to a point where you can't answer any of those questions then unfortunately you can't use the file. That may have been a lot of stuff you already know but I've sen lots of confusion on this (and experienced it myself) so thought it was worth a few words. Mad Scientist (talk) 12:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mdebellis. Could you clear something up for me please? Why are you using the name Mad Scientist if that is not your username? I have to say, that as it is similar to my actual username it could be confusing. Since you are simply using the name with linked text to override your true username this may not be appropriate.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Replacing Images

A good evening!

I haven't actually edited in a very long time, much less logged in. However, I'm ready again after a few years (probably) hiatus, and I figured that the Teahouse would be a good place to ask about an issue that's been bugging me, especially since I've only edited text in the past. Hopefully this doesn't sound too silly.

Regarding the vast majority of the articles representing the NYC Transit subway stations, their representative pictures are generally accurate. However, there are a few exceptions, for instance, 71st Street (windscreens were changed about two years ago, which is mentioned in the article), and Metropolitan Avenue (the M train bullet has been switched from brown to orange in 2010).

I am considering taking my own pictures of the stations (most likely a similar view), for the sake of updating the article's visuals. Disregarding copyright and fair use at the moment, which I will inquire about at a future date, would a case like the former be alright, since 71st Street didn't otherwise undergo a serious renovation? And in the latter case, would changing Metropolitan Avenue's image be considered okay, taking into consideration that the only change is essentially the color of a circle?

There is also a third instance I'd like to ask about: situations such as Canal Street, where the image is from 2005, before the M was rerouted and the W was discontinued. A caption below the image indicates that the entrance photo was taken before the two service changes. As this has not been brought up on the talk page, would it be considered rude or inappropriate to replace it with a picture from the present day?

And that's all of the questions I had. Took up more space then I expected... Hope this made sense though!

Thanks,

Harrison Leong

Aio Eo (talk) 02:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Aio Eo, and welcome (back) to Wikipedia! I'm sure no one will object to you taking your own photos of the stations and replacing the old image with your updated version. So long as the picture is fairly good quality, and there are no copyright issues, I don't see any reason not to change the photos. Howicus (talk) 03:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Need to double check the resolution of my camera again (it's been a while...), but I should be good to go. Thanks, Howicus!

Aio Eo (talk) 03:29, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It seems that on the Eastern Pkwy-Brooklyn Museum page, this image on the Wikipedia Commons once served as the representative picture: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eastern_Parkway-Brooklyn_Museum.jpg

If I were interested in placing it in the Image gallery section, could I just do so, or would I need to get the permission of the original uploader? Or as an alternative, would it be possible to upload my own photo, therefore having two similar images on the Commons? Aio Eo (talk) 05:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

These topics are much discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for pointing me in that direction! It's actually quite interesting to see the reasoning for several edits (apparently, someone actually appended "(Green Line)" to a Lex Avenue station?).

I've only looked at the first archive, the last three, and the current page, but I will make some time to read the rest at some point. From what it looks like, the specific topic of replacing the out of date pictures (or perhaps relocating to the gallery section) has not been brought up, so I'll go on ahead and do some replacing in the coming days, and will see the reaction to the edits.

Much appreciated, Harrison Leong

Aio Eo (talk) 03:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Creating a Page

Hi there, I'm building a page for the music producer and photographer Michael PA. Its been declined for not enough sources, but there are quite alot, so hoping for some clarification on what I need to change or finetune. thanks K

Kendardre (talk) 20:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Kendardre, and welcome to the Teahouse. I took a look at the submission and what the declining reviewer says it's true. There are too few reliable sources. Reliable sources are often written by someone other than the subject of the article and are generally assumed to be true. Google Books and Google News are good places to look, but Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google+, etc. are not reliable. If the only hits you get are to Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google+, etc., the subject is probably not Notable. As for the reference problem, I will point you to WP:REFB. ^King Jakob _C2 20:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

So press releases released by companies, and interviews etc are ok but not his Google + page and website. Is that it? If so, I'll go trace down more sources.

Thanks for getting back to me Kendardre (talk) 20:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Press releases and interviews do not establish notability because they are not independent. Notability requires significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Critisisms on article

Hello, I have very recently had an article published in Wikipedia-Alfred Herbert Richardson. Today, having looked at the page I see some criticisms have been added. One is that there isn't an Info Box, which there is and another says I should supply some photographs but I have included five in the article. What should I do about this please?

TimothyWF (talk) 18:53, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Timothy and welcome to the Teahouse. I am having a problem locating this criticism and do not see an infobox in the article.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I am also not able to see any images on the article. is the mark-up or formatting correct?--Amadscientist (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Ah, found them at the bottom in a gallery. OK, generally speaking galleries are frowned upon as un-encyclopedic. I would use the images through out the article where they have substantial relevance. As far as the infobox is concerned just start a discussion on the article's talk page. If no one replies, you have a silent consensus, the weakest form of consensus, but enough for you to do what you feel is best. Infoboxes are not required and are content like anything else and consensus determines inclusion or exclusion. As long as nobody objects it may be used or left out.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

User keeps reversing my edits and does not give reason - how do I handle this?

Hey everyone,

I'm new to Wikipedia (ok, my account isn't THAT new, but I did my first edits to the English edition today!).

My first edit concerns the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Park_characters Under "Major characters" I added by whom Dougie is voiced (Trey Parker). Of course I did credit the source. Without any comment/explanation, the user Mezigu reversed my changes.

I also added some quotations to this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_%28novel%29 Again without giving a reason, the same user (Mezigu) deleted the whole quotations-section (including those that were already there before I added more...).

I don't want to do anything wrong, so can someone please explain to me how to handle this situation? I don't even know how to contact Mezigu, so I can't ask him myself why he keeps doing this. However, if I can't settle this, my motivation to contribute to Wikipedia will be destroyed on the first day...

Thanks!

Edidator (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Editator, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can contact this user at User talk:Mezigue by clicking "New section" and typing your question to them. Asking them why they reverted your contribution is probably going to get you the most accurate answer. Since they did not give an edit summary explaining why they removed your edit, it is best to ask them. I hope this helps. Best, Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 17:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello; I looked at the first example you gave, and while the other user should have stated a reason, I'm pretty sure it's because instead of adding a name and a reference, you actually inserted a web link into the article. These are considered promotional. Also, the link was to another wiki, where just anyone can add information, like Wikipedia. If you want to include a source, it has to be a published source, such as a news report, a magazine article, a book, or some other reliable document. Please don't give up! There's a lot to learn about making good Wikipedia articles, but you did exactly the right thing by asking for help here at the Teahouse. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Using the same reference more than once in an article

Hello Teahouse: Don't know what I'd do without YOU! :-)

Is there a page on Wikipedia with instructions for using the same reference in an article more than once without making the Reference appear in the "Reference" section more than once?

I'll post this on my Talk page, too for anyone who wants to add please post a "Teahouse talkback" tag so I'm sure not to miss your assistance. I've looked in Help, but must not be searching right. I can't seem to locate the info I need.

Thank you, 301man (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 301man! This is a problem many editors encounter. Let me use an example: the book Destiny of the Republic is all about the assassination of President Garfield, so in the article Assassination of James A. Garfield, you'll probably use Destiny of the Republic more than once. The first time you use it, you will replace the first <ref> ref tag with <ref name=>, and after the equal sign you will put something short to remember it by, such as the author's last name. For example, for destiny of the republic, I would put <ref name=Millard>, followed by the reference. Then, whenever that reference came up again, I would put <ref name=Millard/>, and that's all. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 17:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a try! Appreciate your help! 301man (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Look at Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once. Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes are both good sources for information on writing references. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!!! 301man (talk) 17:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Can someone review the new contribution Lao Veterans of America please ?

Can someone review the new contribution Lao Veterans of America please ? It is a non-profit veterans organization in the United States and one of our first contributions.

Apparently new contributions must be reviewed before final publication.

Is this an automated process ? Would someone be willing to help perform this task, if it is not ?

We would be grateful as we are still learning the syntax, etc of wikipedia.

Thank you.

Publico2020 (talk) 16:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Publico2020! Actually, your article is in the encyclopedia now. There is a group of editors called the "New Page Patrol". They will check various things such as categories, links to other articles, etc., and then remove the tag. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Help requested overtwo links.

Hello, I have had two articles for Creation accepted by Wiki, Ernest Frank Richardson, and Alfred Herbert Richardson. In the AHR article I had a reference, in red [[ ]] to his brother Ernest Frank Richardson but it isn't in the article now. Can I just edit the article and include it again? Also can I just Edit Ernest Frank article and to include Alfred Herbert? 109.155.148.13 (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes! If both articles are in the encyclopedia and they are connected, then links between them are desirable, since they help readers find the information they are looking for. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Completely frustrated

I am having a really hard time attempting to attach a photo to my first article. Can someone please help me figure out why, after filling out the upload form to the best of my ability, I still get this error:

To the uploader: This tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use.
Please add a detailed non-free use rationale for each use, as well as the source of the work and all available copyright information. For example fair use rationales, see here. Template:Non-free use rationale may be helpful for stating the rationale.
To patrollers and administrators: If this image has a complete fair use rationale, please append |image has rationale=yes as a parameter to the license template.

I have not attached it to the article yet and won't until I know it wont be deleted and hopefully people give me time to get this straightened out before they delete the file. Hopefully being the key word here.

Image file here: File:Memorial panel Joe "Tiger" Patrick.jpg TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 15:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, you haven't done anything wrong, in fact you've got it all right. You uploaded your image, attached a fair use rationale correctly and added the non-licence tag. The message you saw is to warn people who think the tag that starts "This work is copyrighted . . ." is enough on its own and don't add the fair use rationale. The last line is the instruction on how to make the message go away which I have now done. Add the image to the article on Tiger and you're done. NtheP (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you NtheP very much for checking that out for me I appreciate a whole bunch! TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 16:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Ahhhh thank you someone already helped me at the image file itself. Guess I jumped the gun. TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 15:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Tattoodwaitress and welcome to the Teahouse. Non free content is a very difficult area to understand so please bear with me. The image may still be deleted as it has an invalid rationale. In order for non free images to be used, all ten points of the criteria must be explained in the rationale. The boilerplate template used is a good way to have all ten points covered except, you have skipped two of the points by adding NA for "Not applicable". Unfortunately that is not acceptable. Under "Not replaceable with free media because (WP:NFCC#1)": You must explain why this image is not replaceable with a free image. This is where this may have some issues if reviewed at Non free content review. The next missing portion is "Respect for commercial opportunities (WP:NFCC#2)" You must explain why this does not effect the commercial opportunity of the copyright holder. Take a look at similar images to get an idea of how these sections are dealt with so that you may form your own rationale for the two missing criteria points on the boilerplate template. If you have any further questions please feel free to drop me a note at my talk page. Good luck and happy editing!--Amadscientist (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Another missing peace of the information is indeed the article it is intended for. That must be in the rational as non free content has a minimal use requirement It has to be in the rationale itself. The image must be used on at least one listed article. For every article it is used in after that, an additional rational must be provided for each individual article.--Amadscientist (talk) 17:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh and under date you have written: "SK resident honors casualties of war". That section is for the date the image was created (not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons) and also is required.--Amadscientist (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Article got rejected

I needed help in improving my article so it is not rejected again. ThanksConspicuous000 (talk) 12:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Conpicuous000: For one thing, your article seems to have more than one copy of the text. You can start by removing the extra copy so that the reviewers will know which one to check. Next, you will need to remove any words of praise, such as "energetic promptitude", since encyclopedia articles have only facts and not opinions. Also, don't worry if the article is rejected again. Just keep working on it and asking what to improve next, and then resubmit. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you eyeball a page for me?

Hello Experienced Editors & Admins:

I've been working on this page for a few months, and maybe it's ready to submit. Before submitting, I'd like some feedback from other editors.

Here's the link if you'd please send me some feedback/comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:301man/Erick_Miller

I'll start a new section on my Talk page to get feedback, or you can leave your comments here to discuss. Appreciate your help! Thank you, 301man (talk) 10:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Deleting Uploaded Images

Hello Helpful Administrators and Mentors!

If you stumble across this post, do you know if there's a way for an editor to delete an image file they own and personally uploaded to Commons? Thank you, 301man (talk) 09:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello 301man. There is a way to request deletion at commons: see commons:Commons:Deletion requests. I'm not well-versed in this, but my impression is that when you uploaded it you irrevocably licensed it, so while you may get it deleted if the copyright was not right, or the name is wrong, I'm not sure they will accept a request just because you want to take it down. I may be wrong, though. --ColinFine (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

(e/c and moved down after this interlineated above the preceding post) Hi 301man. You can use one of the speedy deletion bases set out at the Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion using {{Speedydelete|1= Insert reason.}}. One that might be relevant here, if the upload was within the past seven says, is General reasons No. 7, Author or uploader request deletion. Or you can use the regular deletion method of listing a file for a deletion discussion, through Commons:Deletion requests. See Commons:Deletion requests/listing a request manually for how to do so. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I have some reading to do and decide which course of action to take, if any. Appreciate your feedback. Happy editing! :-) 301man (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

How to get an archived thread unarchived at ANI

Hi,

This thread was archived very quickly, before I could leave a comment and before administrators looked at the case. Is it possible to just copy the whole thing back to the noticeboard or should an administrator do it? SriSuren (talk) 08:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

First article for submission

Hi everyone. I'm completely new to Wikipedia to apologies for asking silly questions. I wrote my first article in my Sandbox and then followed the "request its creation" link and instructions to submit it. I don't understand what I did wrong, but I got two warnings:

"This page should probably be located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/sandbox." Should I click 'move'? How did it end-up in the wrong place when I dutifully followed the "request its creation" link?

"A page with this title exists. Please make sure that this proposed article does not already exist or that it does not need to be moved to a different title." One strange thing I noticed writing the article was that I couldn't find where to actually enter a title (maybe I missed it?)... so without a title how can the title already exist? By the way, I wrote an article that doesn't have a page itself but does exist as a redirect to a different page; and I'd propose that my article replace that redirect link... if that makes sense.Simon The Bear (talk) 07:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Simon. I don't understand the message you got, but it is at the right place. As for the title, that is where the page is in Wikipedia. At present, its title is the complicated "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jetstar Group", but once it is accepted, it will get moved to "Jetstar Group". As you say, there is already a page called Jetstar Group, which redirects to Jetstar Airways. That redirect page is the one that "already exists", and if your article is accepted, it will need to be moved to replace the existing redirect, which I think will require an administrator to do. On a quick look, your article looks good, but I haven't time to do a proper review now. --ColinFine (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Civility

Sometimes, consensus can not be reached; in those cases, is it best just to go work on a different article or should it go to dispute resolution?

Also, could someone please check the Stewart Hase article and remove the notability tag?

Thanks for being here . . . your help is valued . . . 16:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stmullin (talk • contribs)

Greetings and welcome to the Teahouse. First, sorry someone is being uncivil, as a new editor one of the things I really like about Wikipedia is that in general the atmosphere here is so much more collaborative than most sites. But of course there are always exceptions. Regarding your question, I don't think there is a simple answer. IMO it depends a lot on the question, how much evidence you feel you have to back up your point of view, etc. On the notability of Stewart_Hase IMO the tag still needs to be there. The three references all seem to be by Hase himself. To be notable there need to be publications about the person by other people. Not saying those don't exist but if they do exist they aren't references yet and until they are IMO the question of notability is still open. Mad Scientist (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a source that cites Dr. Hase's work . . . http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/assets/documents/employability/pedagogy_for_employability_update_2012.pdf Is this type of source evidence of notability? If so, how many of these do I need to add and where do I place them?Stmullin (talk) 17:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

No, I would say not. Thousands of research papers get cited: that does not make all their authors notable. If he had been cited many many times, that would suggest he was notable - but you would need a reliable source that noticed this and drew the conclusion, otherwise this would be 'original research' and not acceptable. In the same way that a listing in a directory or calendar is not enough to establish notability, nor is a mere reference in a scholarly paper. (If the citing paper discussed Hase at some length in the text, it would be a different matter: but there is no mention of him beyond his name as an author of the citation).

It may help to understand the motivation for the rule of notability. In theory, every single fact in Wikikpedia (other than commonplace knowledge) should be referenced to a reliable source, and except for uncontroversial factual data, a source independent of the subject. Of course, this ideal is not met, and is not likely to be met; but if a subject does not meet the criteria for notability, then by definition there is no information about that subject which can be independently referenced, and so there is nothing you could put into an article about them! --ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Would an article in infed.org similar to the article on Malcolm Knowles at http://infed.org/mobi/malcolm-knowles-informal-adult-education-self-direction-and-andragogy/ be accepted as verification of notability?Stmullin (talk) 13:42, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

is there any steps i can take to fix issues on any network at the moment?

Hello. I was wondering if there are any known issues that i can contribute to clearing up. I'm not too sure if I was able to get everything back to how it was a couple of days ago, or if more tickets have been added to websites and users. I definitely need to study more terms. A lot of information made me be able to relate how others are feeling and learned new ways of solving problems the right way. Thank you for welcoming me even though things have gotten pretty rough by me not frequently checking out misses I have made which made situations more rough. I do appologize to the developer community as well as people around me that I may have given a hard time. Thank you all again that have lead me to the right websites to feel calm and collective. I hope to hear back when there are any questions or solutions I can help with for I will try my best to figure it out with help and further research.66.8.209.103 (talk) 23:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Although I would like to give you a specific answer, this project is vast and your inquiry is general. There are many ways for volunteers to get involved. Perhaps you might consider asking a more specific question so that we can give you specific information in response. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

questions about notability and refs

I've been working on article related to Rory Gallagher. I want to clean up an article on the drummer in one of his bands Wilgar Campbell My first question: is Campbell notable? I'm a Gallagher fanatic and I've never read anything specifically about Campbell at all. Not even an interview. The current article has some info about his bio but I have no idea where that came from, I can't find it in any of the references. My second question is about a couple of the references. The first one is just this string in between two ref tags: "Date of birth from death certificate G.R.O. Wandsworth, London, Vol. 15, Page 911" Anyone have any idea what this refers to? My second question is there was a reference (for his birth and death) to this site: http://thedeadrockstarsclub.com/ All I can find on that site is a snippet (which gets truncated on my browser so its barely readable) that gives his birth date (the rest is truncated). And in any case this site does not look reliable enough to be a reference. There is nothing that says where the info comes from except a list of "contributors". I'm only asking because someone on the Talk page objected to removing the reference. MadScientistX11 (talk) 17:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

How to find copylefted and copyleftable and fair-use images for article digital look-alike

) How to find good, copyleft[ed|able] high quality pics that illustrate the technologies and techniques described in article digital look-alike?
) How to find someone who will contact (maybe with some credentials or at least someone who knows about image copyright issues and procedures) some of the most leading known researchers in the field and ask for them to give Wikipedia some images to better illustrate the encyclopedia? Potential ones are:

Paul Debevec research scientist at University of Southern California
George Borshukov research scientist and main visual effects lead at Esc Entertainment during 2000-2003 (and maybe later)
Someone at Sony Pictures Imageworks
Someone at Square Pictures

These people might be proud in their work and willing to help to better illustrate to the public the technologies and techniques used in making digital look-alikes. --Redress perhaps (talk) 12:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Redress, you're probably best off making the approaches yourslf as you know what type of images you are looking for. When you contact them ideally you are after a release under a creative commons licence and there is a page, WP:CONSENT, that gives you the wording for a model release form for them to complete. NtheP (talk) 14:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Profile - How?

Hi, I have been asked to create a profile of a couple of individuals. They are linked to a page already live on Wikipedia. I was just wondering how I make a profile of someone? Or is it the same as creating normal page from scratch?

DawbellPR1 (talk) 10:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DawbellPR1. The basic procedures for creating an article are the same, no matter what the subject of the article. When you say "profile", you are probably talking about a biography. We have strict policy standards for biographies of living people, which are discussed at WP:BLP. The subjects of biographies must be notable, which means that they have been the subject of significant coverage in several independent, reliable sources. These sources must be cited in the biography.

If the "PR" in your user name refers to "public relations" then you should be very cautious about conflict of interest. Please review WP:COI carefully, and be aware that your editing is expected to comply with the neutral point of view and all other Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you have any such conflict of interest, please declare it openly. Do not add any promotional material to the encyclopedia. Feel free to ask additional questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:47, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

A Google search shows that your username is pretty much the name of a public relations firm. We only allow individual user accounts, not company or group accounts. Please read WP:USERNAME and consider changing your username. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Sources

A lot of the articles on species of birds on Wikipedia have few sources. I used to run a book business and still have thousands of books, of which about a dozen relate to birds. The problem is the newest is from 1991 (that's the one I plan on using most though, as it is huge). Is it okay to use books this old, in particular to replace the {{Citation needed}} tags? I won't use information that's likely to change, such as conservation status or current populations, unless it seems historically relevant to the page but most of the other information in the books will have been unlikely to have changed (for example, it takes thousands of years for a bird's average size to change, so that information is likely to still be relevant 22 years on). --teb00007 ^{Talk • Contributions} 08:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The short answer - Yes, old books are fine. See: WP:RS. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 09:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I want my article to be fully protected.

I want my article to be fully protected. I am the official representative of my organization to write the article.

Asian Development Research InstituteShankar.suraj (talk) 07:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Shankar. Welcome. First we do not allow organisations to to write their own articles because that has a conflict of interest. Much less do we allow organisations to control what is in articles about themselves. Full protection of articles is rare because we want editing to be as open as possible.--Charles (talk) 07:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Shankar. You can write the article, but you are discouraged from doing so. Most people, even those who truly think they can, cannot write an article that satisfies Neutral point of view. If you have reliable sources that are independent of the organization, you can try. The best thing is to submit a request at WP:AFC.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Referencing another country';s wikimedia

Hi

I'm being dumb here - what is the markup convention for referencing another country's external Wikimedia reference? In this case ru.wikipedia.org. Can it be done?

The license for the image is Creative Commons Public Domain Dedication.

Thanks chaps The Drof (talk) 07:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Drof. From memory I think you put a colon at the start of the link in front of ru. to link to another language wiki. I am not clear if you propose to use that wiki as a reference. If so Wikipedias are not regarded as reliable sources. You can however use sources that support that language version even if they are not in English, as long as they are reliable.--Charles (talk) 08:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

There is a help page here.--Charles (talk) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Are court filings considered sources of citations?

I submitted the question but was not logged in. Treinheimer (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Treinheimer. Welcome to the Teahouse. I suspect these documents are primary sources. Original research using primary sources is generally not allowed on Wikipedia. There may be times where such sources can be cited but in general we need them to have been reported on by a secondary source.--Charles (talk) 21:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Current court cases involve living people, and we have very strict standards about biographical information about living people. For many reasons, we avoid using court documents as references. Please review WP:BLPPRIMARY for the exact policy language. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Court filings need to be used very carefully. Filings in adversarial court systems (such as crimial and civil courts in the USA) should not be used until the matter has concluded. Court rulings and judgements (which are written by the judge or their assistants) can and should be use in preference to adversarial filings. Filings in court systems such as those in France and most of Europe a quite different, as are those in non adversarial courts (such as some coroners courts). 21:56, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

This article I tried to submit was rejected -- help please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Phil-Hawaii_Mining_and_Industrial_Corporation_(PHMIC)_vs._Philippine_National_Bank_(PNB)68.83.210.235 (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)Treinheimer (talk) 21:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Treinheimer, I'd echo the advice given by the person who declined the submission at Articles for creation. The tone in which you have written this articles is entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia and it reads to me like you are trying to write a story for a tabloid newspaper rather than an encyclopedia entry. Try starting at the beginning and explaining what the case is about - I think this information is in your draft but is lost amongst sections that jump here, there and everywhere without any structure to them. Short statements about the case and a timeline wold help imeasurably to decide if the case is even notable - something else I'm not sure about at the moment especially as it seems to be an ongoing case rather than a decided one. There do appear to be some unusual aspects e.g. the armed stand off at the bank but these all need explaining, and supporting by references, in a much clearer fashion than it is at the moment. NtheP (talk) 11:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Editing Policies

Is there any kind of a guideline about editing the same article multiple times in a row? I often miss something the first time through and have to make two (or three) edits in succession. Am I likely to be flagged for this kind of behavior? I've never reverted changes by others, its just adding to or removing things from the changes I've made. Kat Cheez 15:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Katcheez! There's nothing wrong with making multiple edits in a row, especially if you forget something. When I'm working especially hard, I can make about ten edits in a row to the exact same article because I'll come across something else after saving. As long as it's in good faith and not just to bump up your edit count, you're fine. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

It is actually better to make several small edits rather than one big one that has several changes that aren't connected. That way, if you or someone else wants to revert the edit, or if you have an edit conflict, or for some other reason things don't work out, just the last change will be affected. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info & advice! Kat Cheez 13:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

the worker is operating a high speed grinder for a high rise building. what amount of exposure time would you set as the limit?

as the safety officer of your company, you have been asked to determine the possibility of reducing exposure time as a method of reducing hearing damage for the following operation: a. the worker is operating a high speed grinder to a high rise building b. the effective noise level at the operation's ear is 100dBA. she cannot wear protective ear devices because she must communicate with others.

what amount of exposure time would you set as the limit?112.198.82.77 (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello anon. Let me answer your question with two questions. 1) Is this related to Wikipedia? 2) Is this an assignment your dear teacher gave you? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 06:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

We can't give you any sort of advice related to health and safety. If you are in the U.S, then OSHA and the state-level equiivlent will have guidelines/requirements for you to follow. Other countries probably have something similiar. One alternative to consider is using hand signals for communication so that the worker can wear the hearing protection. RudolfRed (talk)