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Young Zaphod
- Young Zaphod (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Prior SSP or RFCU cases may exist for this user:
27 January 2013
[edit]- Suspected sockpuppets
- EternalFlare (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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It seems likely that banned sockpuppeteer Young Zaphod (talk · contribs), (Redacted), known in the MUD community as Locke of NiMUD, has resurfaced as EternalFlare (talk · contribs). 1) EternalFlare (created 2013-01-24) is clearly a new account from an experienced Wikipedia editor. 2) EternalFlare's first edit was to report KaVir (talk · contribs)'s off-site canvassing (already addressed with him) at topmudsites.com, indicating that this is a participant in the MUD community, possibly one who was specifically monitoring KaVir's activity. 3) Account creation comes two days after (Redacted)/Locke posted personal attacks on an interview KaVir gave to a gaming site. 4) EternalFlare is heavily engaged in borderline-disruptive "cleanup" of MUD-related articles, but is giving extra attention to GodWars, which is KaVir's work. 5) This edit indicates a personal interest in NiMUD; my understanding is that Young Zaphod's main socking/POV-pushing interest was in promoting extraordinary claims regarding NiMUD's intellectual property origination. 6) If EternalFlare is Young Zaphod, all activity is abuse as the user is banned. —chaos5023 (talk) 17:18, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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[edit]Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- Regarding my edits. Many of the MUD articles are poorly sourced, and based on primary sources/original research which violates WP:PRIMARY: articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. I didn't delete material randomly, I justified my edits heavily in the edit history or even talk pages and didn't engage in edit war. I did report verifiable meatpuppets on the admin board - nothing wrong about it. My IP history will clear me from the sockpuppet claim. 19:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Your IP history will not be investigated because of its age. Would you care to actually commit to public record a claim that you are not (Redacted)? —chaos5023 (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please explain how to proceed. EternalFlare (talk) 20:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- For example, by posting a message here containing a positive assertion that you are not (Redacted), Locke of NiMUD, or Young Zaphod. I do not recommend that you do this if any of the assertions would be untrue; see our conversation on my talk page for more. —chaos5023 (talk) 20:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not (Redacted), Locke of NiMUD, or Young Zaphod, nor do I know him personally. I also allow admins to check my IP address and confirm that I'm not Young Zaphod. EternalFlare (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Very good. Do you have any objection to your IP history also being compared with the IP numbers associated with (Redacted)'s activity on mud.wikia.com, from which he was recently banned? —chaos5023 (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please, go ahead. Compare my IP history to (Redacted)'s, just don't post it publicly. EternalFlare (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Great. One last question: since you obviously aren't new to Wikipedia, under what username(s) have you edited previously? —chaos5023 (talk) 21:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see how this question is relevant to the Young_Zaphod sockpuppet investigation. If you think that I'm another banned user, feel free to compare my IP to theirs. If Young_Zaphod's pushing interest is to promote NiMUD, I removed NiMUD from MUD_trees [1] which should put an end to this debate because it's an action that he would never do. (talk) 22:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I just happened to stumble across this today. @EF, Please don't make edits "just because" he wouldn't have made them. I know you're operating in good faith, but you don't have to "prove" anything that way. Anyway, you should read through WP:SOCK if you haven't already; there are legitimate reasons for having multiple accounts (listed in the 2nd section), so just make sure yours is one of them. Disclosing alt accounts is usually better (I have one, listed on my userpage), but I understand you can't always do that in every circumstance. Just be sure you're aware of the rules, basically. :) Thanks. — Jess· Δ♥ 13:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see how this question is relevant to the Young_Zaphod sockpuppet investigation. If you think that I'm another banned user, feel free to compare my IP to theirs. If Young_Zaphod's pushing interest is to promote NiMUD, I removed NiMUD from MUD_trees [1] which should put an end to this debate because it's an action that he would never do. (talk) 22:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Great. One last question: since you obviously aren't new to Wikipedia, under what username(s) have you edited previously? —chaos5023 (talk) 21:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please, go ahead. Compare my IP history to (Redacted)'s, just don't post it publicly. EternalFlare (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Very good. Do you have any objection to your IP history also being compared with the IP numbers associated with (Redacted)'s activity on mud.wikia.com, from which he was recently banned? —chaos5023 (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not (Redacted), Locke of NiMUD, or Young Zaphod, nor do I know him personally. I also allow admins to check my IP address and confirm that I'm not Young Zaphod. EternalFlare (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- For example, by posting a message here containing a positive assertion that you are not (Redacted), Locke of NiMUD, or Young Zaphod. I do not recommend that you do this if any of the assertions would be untrue; see our conversation on my talk page for more. —chaos5023 (talk) 20:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please explain how to proceed. EternalFlare (talk) 20:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Your IP history will not be investigated because of its age. Would you care to actually commit to public record a claim that you are not (Redacted)? —chaos5023 (talk) 20:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
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Check declined by a checkuser - Master and known socks are all very 
Stale. —DoRD (talk) 19:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Clerk note: I'm only seeing some vague, circumstantial evidence that this might be Young Zaphod. Accordingly, I am closing it. However, please do not post other editors' real names on Wikipedia when they have not voluntarily disclosed such information. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
