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Pink Floyd "The Wall" songbook

Hi all. The school at which I work is staging Pink Floyd's The Wall as next year's production. I've got a copy of the guitar and vocal songbook, but wondered whether there was a more comprehensive score available (including piano/keyboard parts). I'm happy to transcribe certain parts (which I've started doing), but having an existing copy (should it exist) would be a lot of help. Thanks in advance. matt (talk) 08:41, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite surprised by this as The Wall is (a) still being toured by Roger Waters and (b) contains adult content in some of the lyrics. Have you tried widening your Amazon search for a full score - maybe searching for "The Wall piano score" might help? This now has me wondering if there's a bowdlerized version of The Wall about! --TammyMoet (talk) 12:02, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing objectionable about The Wall at secondary level. DuncanHill (talk) 12:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Nor me; at least not while Shakespeare and his smutty remarks are taught! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The Wall is regularly licensed for use in educational establishments; I've had the pleasure to watch and write about a couple of such productions. You will need to obtain proper copyright clearance, and the publishers who give that should be able to advise on scores and the like (or put you in touch with those who have done it previously, and so may have thoer own). I regret that I don't have contact details. If you'd like me to come and talk to the cast during rehearsals, please let me know by email. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help guys. @TammyMoet – I've tried searching every which way there is! No luck so far though. @Andy – we're all clear re: licencing; I'll get in touch with our director to see if they can follow up the publishers that way – thanks for the suggestion. I may in touch off-wiki too at some time, but it's pretty hectic here so I can't be sure when! Thanks again for your help guys. matt (talk) 14:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I did wonder if parents felt comfortable about their teenagers singing about "buggers" and an attempted seduction of a very young man by a much older one... obviously things have changed since I appeared in the Dracula Spectacular 34 years ago! (As we don't have a page for the DracSpectac, I would point out that it was an adaptation of the Rocky Horror Show that was deemed suitable for teenagers. I presumed that The Wall would have undergone the same treatment for much the same reasons!) --TammyMoet (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Buggers, eh? How shocking! Of course, teenagers would never hear such words in the playground. As for "attempted seduction", I know The Wall very well and I'm racking my brains trying to think what part of the album you are talking about. All in all I think you are being very prudish. --Viennese Waltz 17:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The rather amusing story of how the children's input was recorded is here. Alansplodge (talk) 18:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

One of my Turns, VW? I know there used to be a difference between what teenagers say and what they hear, and what they should say in adult company. I actually don't think I'm being prudish. Old fashioned maybe. --TammyMoet (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, The Wall doesn't have an attempted seduction of a very young man by a much older one. The content is still rather adult, though I think its bleakness of outlook is more important as a concern than the shouted word "Bugger!" Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh well, not having seen The Wall but hearing it for 30 years, I considered that following the song "Young Lust" with "One of my Turns" meant that, after not being able to find a "dirty woman" the protagonist had taken a young man home and tried to seduce him but it all went wrong "under the bed you will find my favourite axe...why are you running away?". I find it hard to imagine what that's all about unless... I agree about the bleakness of outlook, not to mention the drug-induced psychosis. --TammyMoet (talk) 14:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Title of rubbish 1950s or early 60s British film

This came up in a conversation about about bad movies. I saw it on daytime TV a couple of years ago - an unsuccessful attempt to combine a teen flick with a sci-fi thriller. A motorbike gang in a seaside town (looked like Weymouth) terrorise a teenaged girl. She is rescued by a man who lives on a secluded clifftop. They get chased into a nearby government compound, where they discover a colony of children, who had been born to women irradiated in an experiment. The children are kept in an underground complex under the compound, but can be reached through a door in the cliffs. The radio-active children have never seen the outside world. The girl and man persuade the children to escape and the last scene is them being rounded-up again by a helicopter. Anyone else seen this and know what it's called? Alansplodge (talk) 18:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The Damned? Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

That's the one! Well done. You can see the US trailer here. "The highpoint of the first wave of the British postwar Science Fiction films" - hohum... Alansplodge (talk) 23:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D

It me Kidspokemon. So Nintendo of Japan is releasing a small number of The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D and a small number of games in each store. That is a bad thing to do. Do they know how many people play The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time back when it was a N64 game when they was kids and how many children there are in Japan. What if the kids who are at least 19 or more now that might want the new remake. And what about the children that might want the new remake. Image a kid who is 6 year old and what the game. But he wait too long and they ran out of them then the child start to cry then the parent feel bad about him or her then sent a mad email to Nintendo of Japan and make them make more. Are They already planning to make more game just in case? It they don't make more there might be a riot a big one when many people get killed. The game is rated A all ages in Japan.Kidspokemon (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know any inside information about why Nintendo is choosing to do this, but if a company is thinking about releasing a product that they already know will be pretty popular, that company knows that they may be able to create a lot of hype by making many less copies of the product than they know there is demand for. This is sometimes called "shorting the orders". When Pokemon cards were at the height of their popularity, you just could not get them, and it is part of human psychology that if a person thinks they want something and then they find that they can't have it, that person will probably want the item much more. The kids who couldn't find Pokemon cards had moms in the malls phoning each other to tell each other where there were Pokemon cards available. The lack of supply became news itself, which helped promote Pokemon even more.

It is rare that a company tries to do any of this, though. Usually a company wants to try to sell every single copy it can, and if a customer looks for the copy at a store and doesn't find it, the customer might just buy something else again, and the company loses a sale; so it's more common for a company to saturate the stores with copies. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they know how many people bought it. Yes, they know how many people loved it. That's why they could throw a contest to give one copy to the first guy to climb Mt Everest dressed as Link and still have a hundred people in line. Supply, demand, etc. Foofish (talk) 20:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda in CoroCoro Comic

Why The Legend of Zelda not in CoroCoro Comic when Mario was? Are the The Legend of Zelda mangas children manga? They can have all of The Legend of Zelda games on it. Most of The Legend of Zelda are rated A. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess is the only game that have a rating higher then a A and it was B 12 and up for crime. Wait if the game did not have crime it would be rated A. But you don't do crime in the game do you. I don't have the game or a Wii. What kind of crime did this game have. Game that have people doing crime like Spider-Man 2 the video game was rated A all Ages. Can they show The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess on CoroCoro Comic like they did with The Last Story. I not saying they should. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kidspokemon (talk • contribs) 20:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Did you try to find out how to contact CoroCoro Comic yourself by looking at the masthead, as I suggested earlier? That's the only way you can find out the answers to your questions about what ads they will take. Comet Tuttle (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I do not know where to find it and I don't know how to read or speak Japanese and I live in The USA. Can You give me a link?Kidspokemon (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, you probably have found that corocoro.tv is their official website (in Japanese). I tried using Google Translate to get as much of it into English as possible, but almost the entire front page uses text embedded in graphics, so machine translation like Google Translate is helpless, and about all I got out of that was the fact that it's published by Shogakukan, whose "About Us" page in English is here; that page mentions that it has an office in San Francisco called Viz Media, whose "Contact Us" page is here. It looks like they don't have an e-mail address there. You could write them a (printed) letter and mail it to them in San Francisco with any questions you have about CoroCoro, and they might be able to answer them. Comet Tuttle (talk) 22:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Pokemon

How Many kids buy Pokemon Black and White in Japan? I hope a lot of Japanese kids buy Pokemon Black and White. Pokemon is mainly aimed at children. It was on CoroCoro Comic, Oha Suta, Pokemon sunday and Pokemon Smash and they are for kids.Kidspokemon (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

According to the VGChartz Japan list, the game (which is called Pocket Monsters Black / White in Japan) has sold 5,264,889 copies in Japan, which is even more than Mario Kart DS, and which is about half of the worldwide sales total of 10,921,553. Disclaimer: I have heard many complaints that VGChartz is not very accurate. Yes, the advertising for Pokemon is mostly directed at kids, though we don't have any way of knowing how many of those copies are being played by children or by adults. Comet Tuttle (talk) 21:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Blood in Japanese game that are rated A all ages

Can you name some games that is rated A all ages that have blood other than Okami. I know why they allowed blood in games that is rated A all ages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kidspokemon (talk • contribs) 20:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I would think it would depend on the context in which the blood occurs. Someone being beaten until blood squirts out of them would probably be rated as worse than blood on the face on a man who cut himself shaving. StuRat (talk) 21:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D

Here some new thing I think will be In The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D. New songs on the ocarina. The Song of Giant is a song that will make Link grow to huge size and it will work on NPC and they will react to Link or their huge size. The Song of Shrinking is a song that make Link shrink to tiny size and it will work on NPC and they will react to Link or their tiny size. Like if Malon see Link at a tiny size she will think he is so cute. I do know about The Legend of Zelda The Minish Cap. New masks with all of the masks that was in The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask and to able to make your own masks. I want be able to go inside Hyrule Castle. New Items. New enemy and they should add the ChuChu in the game. Make all of the areas in the game bigger. Add new sidequest and minigame. Unfreeze Zora Domain and beat the Running Man. New tunic and Dungeon. Add new character. So what do you think? Do you think all this will happen?Kidspokemon (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is not a forum for such discussion. --McDoobAU93 02:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sci-fi that underestimates the rate of progress ?

Sci-fi books, radio programs, movies, TV shows, etc., always seem to overestimate the rate of progress (we should all have flying cars by now, for example). So, are there any examples of them underestimating it ? For example, did anything predict we would first go to the Moon in the year 2000 ? StuRat (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at this (you can literally waste hours on that site - don't say I didn't warn you). It doesn't directly answer your question - but there are some examples of the sort of thing you're talking about on that list... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm hard pressed to think of any that predicted the personal computer. Even Isaac Asimov thought we'd be stuck with mainframes to the end of time, e.g. "The Last Question". Clarityfiend (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of Asimov, our article also mentions his use of punch cards, slide rules and newspaper vending machines. --JGGardiner (talk) 07:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention a lack of social changes - his societies are very male-dominated (with Susan Calvin being regarded as something of a freak mainly because she's a woman doing a "man's job"). And everybody smokes. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 08:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, in the Foundation, Hober Mallow sells something like microwave ovens as the new hot thing.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

My favourite Asimov anachronism is a computer (or it might have been a robot) that's presented as the latest and most innovative device in the 23rd century (or thereabouts) that can read an entire book in a matter of seconds and find any spelling or grammatical errors! According to our article, such technology was first developed in 1957. Tevildo (talk) 20:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It was indeed a robot, but the story is set in 2033, not the 23rd century. I think it explains that a computer couldn't do the job because the text would have to be time-consumingly transcribed to some other medium (possibly paper tape) first. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Total Recall comes immediately to mind, with its CRT monitors (although I suppose that's just a question of a limited effects budget) and long-defunct 1980's brand names. 80.254.147.84 (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

My HTC Desire HD mobile phone compares very favourably with the functionality of Star Trek's communicators, and the size of its tricorders. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

In Blade Runner, which takes place in 2019, Harrison Ford calls Sean Young on a landline phone. Granted, it's a video phone, but I don't think the movie pictures anyone with a mobile phone. I'm betting mobile phones in general are a fertile area where you can point to a lot of fiction that conspicuously lacks the changes in our behavior that mobile phones have caused. Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I love the 1936 film Things to Come which describes a second world war that starts in 1940 and continues until the 1970s. Eventually the world is rebuilt in underground cities, but by 2036 there's a growing feeling that progress has gone far enough and a riot tries to prevent the first space mission to attempt to orbit the moon; "All the universe or nothing. Which shall it be, Passworthy? Which shall it be?" Alansplodge (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Star Trek does underestimate, but that can be explained away in the Star Trek universe because history diverges in the 1990s (with the Eugenics Wars and later World War III). They appear to have forgotten circuit-breaker technology in the future, for example. Adam Bishop (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

During the 2008 US presidential election,some people talked about the 1926 Brazilian novel, "O Presidente Negro" which had the United States electing its first black President in 2228. --JGGardiner (talk) 19:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

One that just sprang to mind was Robocop (in the first movie) apparently running on MS-DOS. I seem to recall that the Terminators in the first two movies did too... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:36, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Although it hasn't happened, and some say it won't, most sci-fi ignores, delays, or fights the Technological Singularity. The Island (2005 film), The 6th Day, and other stuff about cloning completely miss the idea of just cloning a single organ (which China has already done... Kinda makes sense that you'd need to know how to build a brick before you can make a house, anyway). The Boys from Brazil is the only thing that comes to my mind that portrays cloning accurately. Anything involving space travel that doesn't have space folding (Dune), or something that could be space folding (hyperspace in Star Wars), or time travel to cancel out time dialation from travelling near light speed (the pilot episode of Star Trek refer to Warp Speed as "Time Warp,") would be inaccurate, unless the cryogenically frozen crew plans on colonizing a planet for a completely different species of humanity, or unless the ship is really a small planet that won't arrive for thousands of generations (the Destination: Void comes close). Ian.thomson (talk) 00:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I always found Thunderbirds amusing - everyone had a video phone but film crews were still using ancient film cameras. GaryReggae (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

In A Clockwork Orange (film version - can't remember if it's in the book or not), which IIRC is supposed to be set in the late 1990s/00s, the central character can be seen listening to music on microcassette (a record shop stacked with vinyl also features). --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Vinyl record shops are not extinct! Alansplodge (talk) 21:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Because crotchety old farts won't let them die... --Jayron32 23:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

...and the scene in question clearly featured Top10-type music on sale, which very rarely comes on vinyl these days. There are some genres of music where vinyl does still thrive though (punk and oi! music is still commonly released on 7" split EPs with a couple of songs from each band per each side, for example). --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Hardest fish to catch?

So, my computer's been broken recently and for some reason, I found myself watching loads of fishing shows on TV (never been fishing myself but I just realized that I find it interesting). The guys on these shows tend to make a really big deal about going out in a boat and fishing for various species of Marlin - i.e. managing to successfully land one is considered a major achievement and appears to require a considerable effort and a significant level of skill. These fish do appear to be quicker, stronger, more unpredictable and somewhat more cunning than most...

Do we have any anglers here? Would it be fair to say that Marlin are the most difficult fish to catch with rod and line? --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Black sea bass are hard to catch. They are found on rocky bottoms. They seem to instinctively tie your line up in rocks when they realize they are tethered to a line. If they are not raised immediately, they seem to have the skill to wrap your fishing line around rocks or other projecting items on the bottom. They are also known to inhabit sunken wrecks. Ships have been deliberately scuttled at sea to create habitats for creatures that prefer to inhabit the resulting environments from such structures. I should add that it may not be intelligence or deliberateness that guides their behavior—the line-tangling may be just a result of natural swimming patterns. It also may doom them no less that being captured by Homo sapiens, which are known to frequent movable constructions of various sizes on the top of bodies of water. I hope none of the posts in this section are considered trolling. Bus stop (talk) 23:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I imagine that many species of fish are impossible to catch with a line and reel, such as those that live at the bottom of the ocean. StuRat (talk) 23:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

<irony>Angler fish</irony>--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:40, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I suppose that my question should really be more along the lines of 'which fish (which can feasibly be caught with line and reel) is considered the hardest to catch?' The great white shark has to be a contender too. One of the programmes I watched had a guy trying to reel one in (he first caught a small fish on a baited hook, then used that fish as bait to catch a bigger fish, then that fish as bait to catch an even bigger fish, then that fish, split open and partially flayed, to attract the shark) - it was actually dragging his boat around behind it and after two hours, the man was exhausted while the shark was no closer to surrender. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You're approaching this from the wrong direction. Sharks are easy. They'll chomp on just about anything bloody and will swarm after your chum. Throw a hook on the end of a chain and you can "catch" a great white without trouble. For a fish that takes true skill, I offer the bonefish. They favor extremely clear, shallow water for feeding. Because of their excellent vision, they can see anglers from a very long way off, and can immediately recognize traditional tackle as being fake (not food). Catching a bonefish requires extreme stealth, a VERY long cast, and the use of light fly tackle. Once hooked, they run like hell. The Masked Booby (talk) 02:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I notice that the examples so far all assume salt water is required. Muskie are considered the hardest to catch around where I live. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the difficulty for a muskie is mostly due to rarity these days. Pike will hit just about anything that moves, and muskie are not profoundly different - they're just bigger, stronger, and rarer. Growing up around Lake Huron, I met plenty of people who had caught muskies, and old fishing photos are full of them. No one remarked on their difficulty to me. I wonder if the OP has a specific type of "hard" in mind when he says hard to catch? The Masked Booby (talk) 06:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't really being specific with my OP. As a non-angler, I was basically just wondering if there was an particular species that was widely considered the most difficult for an angler to get from water to out-of-water... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 09:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Mermaids have proved to be elusive. Bus stop (talk) 12:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sharks? Nah, just joking. Have no idea, although in harsh conditions fishing itself can be dangerous. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It isn't exactly the fish's doing but I've heard that many people die noodling every year. --JGGardiner (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd heard of that term before, but I didn't know what it involved. Sounds like the sort of thing that could easily lead to a Darwin Award nomination if done without due care and forethought and/or alone and drunk... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Surely the hardest fish to catch is the one that got away. Astronaut (talk) 16:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Year old question answered

Anyone besides me remember this question? I had asked about a song ID, said that it mentioned a mountain in the lyrics and had a fairly staccato delivery. I also said that I thought it had been in some movie soundtracks. Well, I was wrong (according to IMDb) about the soundtrack bit. I did find the song though... "Mountain Man" by Crash Kings. Just thought I'd give you guys an update. Dismas|^(talk) 23:33, 19 May 2011 (UTC)