Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 17

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

January 17[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 17, 2024.

Pussy torture[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 08:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not mentioned anywhere on redirected disambiguation page and no specific article exist on it. So, it should be deleted. It is kind of clickbait. Polarbear678 (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:REDYES. There's probably an article to be written on this or, if not, content that could be included in a broad-concept article if this DAB is expanded into one. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Anglais[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 27#Anglais

Roza Potocka (1780-1862)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 28#Roza Potocka (1780-1862)

Ahmed Reza[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay 💬 07:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not attested as an alt-name at the target, meanwhile there's various partial-title matches in the encyclopedia, such as Ahmed Reza Rubel, Syed Ahmed Reza Hossain, and Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi. Given the lack of exact matches of this title, I think that deletion to allow for search results is appropriate. An article was created at this title briefly in 2019, but it meets WP:G11 and WP:A7 criteria and should not be considered an obstacle to deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 18:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2025 in American television[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 20:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect is not helpful because there is no information on 2025 at the target. The only 'mention' is a circular link, which gives a false sense of hope that there may be an article on the subject. -- Tavix (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Redirects prefixed with slashes[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 16:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The slashes are not part of the topic's name, but rather remnants of erroneous page moves. The first redirect was moved from the unusual title ?Gutenbergia rueppellii [1], and then finally moved to the correct name [2]. In the second case, the editor had likely forgotten to remove the "/" when moving the page from User:Teblick/Murder Is My Hobby. [3]. In either case these are not plausible errors, and the redirects can be deleted per WP:AFFINITY. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for my error. Eddie Blick (talk) 14:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Teblick: There is no need to apologize. Everyone makes mistakes! You can tag your redirect with {{Db-g7}} if you want. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Dsuke1998AEOS. I just added that template to the page. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2023 Belgorod incident[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 2#2023 Belgorod incident

Penny sterling[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24#Penny sterling

Peakin'[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 2#Peakin'

Louis van Beethoven[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. A minority of editors held that a disambiguation page would be more appropriate, but there is broader agreement that a hatnote is sufficient to clarify the status quo. signed, Rosguill talk 16:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems only to refer to simple:Louis van Beethoven (2020 movie), not to the composer himself. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Used in French-language sources (example), seems like a reasonable redirect. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – valid alternative variant per above. Why would they have a movie about the composer with the variant "Louis" if it wasn't used?? Aza24 (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe it should be a DAB page like de:Louis van Beethoven. While we often prefer to have the broader meaning as the primary topic if the redirect is dubious it may be better to just have a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on dabifying?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • While Crouch, Swale's comments are true in the abstract, this redirect is not dubious. We do not have any content about the 2020 movie, so there is no question about the composer being the primary topic. If an article about the movie is written we can discuss which is primary, but it seems unlikely that it would be neither of them so a hatnote would be sufficient. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Louis van Beethoven (film) has 2 incoming links namely Tobias Moretti and Beethoven in film and most Google results are for the film not the composer. So I'd suggest disambiguate as the "Beethoven in film" could be used as the blue link. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And yes per the above discussion there is clearly a consensus that it shouldn't be deleted but the relist to see about disambiguation makes sense. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate as suggested. FYI, I just made the redlink blue by copy/pasting the article about the film exactly verbatim from simplewiki. Duckmather (talk) 04:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate per above. A two-item DAB isn't ideal but is probably better than a hatnote on Beethoven's article for a relatively obscure search term. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 01:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There is a WP:PTOPIC for long-term significance, especially given the film is a derivative work about Beethoven. If it's simply to remove a hatnote, I'd argue that a hatnote would not be needed because one would be able to navigate from Ludwig van Beethoven → Beethoven in film → Louis van Beethoven (film). -- Tavix (talk) 15:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambig per Tamzin, or have a hatnote to the film. I don't find Tavix's navigation path easy. Otherwise we need to come up with a section on "Beethoven in film" first that can be seen in the TOC, and the section can contain this film name. Jay 💬 13:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with a hatnote. It's certainly a much better option than displacing a redirect solely to accommodate a derivative use. -- Tavix (talk) 14:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hatnotes are fine and to be encouraged. I've never understood the opposition to them that some people have - if there is a different encyclopaedia article that someone could be looking for at a given title but which is not the primary topic they should always be able to get there either direct from a hatnote or via a hatnote to a disambiguation page. I still don't see need for or benefit of a disambiguation page here. Thryduulf (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need a hatnote if the redirect stays in place as having to Beethoven in film an then this film would be too difficult. That's why if this redirect is unlikely it may be better just to have a DAB here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For consideration of the hatnote suggestion, and/or a final attempt at determining consensus between disambiguation and keep.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 14:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Pistolwhip (song)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Pistolwhip. Targets disambiguation page made with the above suggestions. (non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 04:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per WP:NSONG. Deletion to encourage article creation may be desirable. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 14:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

The Sound of Bamboo[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to The Amateurs (band). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 03:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not helpful to redirect to a target that has no mention of the subject in question. These redirects do imply that these songs charted, so they may be notable per WP:NSONG. Deletion to encourage article creation may be desirable. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "The Sound of Bamboo" could also refer to any sound created by bamboo. The article we have on bamboo doesn't mention sound, but we also have an article on Bamboo musical instruments. No opinion on most of the rest. Duckmather (talk) 18:23, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 14:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Gaza genocide[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 25#Gaza genocide

Portal:Romani people[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete. WP:CSD G5. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 07:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. They live mostly in Europe / Turkey, having moved out of India around 1000 CE. Sending people who want to see a Romani people portal to a portal about India is not helpful or very logical. Fram (talk) 08:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Jackson County Sheriff's Office (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Restore without prejudice to AfD. Jay 💬 07:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Ashland Police Department (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Restore without prejudice to AfD. Jay 💬 07:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Restore and send to AFD All of these Oregon redirects are BLARs, but it looks like this one was the only one to have independent sources. There may be BLP issues associated with said sources, but, given the page history, I think a more thorough discussion about the article is warranted. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore article, after which it can either be improved or merged or AfD'd. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 03:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Cottage Grove Police Department (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Restore without prejudice to AfD. Jay 💬 07:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Gresham Police Department (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Restore without prejudice to AfD. Jay 💬 07:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic (except for a notable resident who was killed by the police), it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Lincoln City Police Department (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Restore without prejudice to AfD. Jay 💬 07:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Salem Police Department (Oregon)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was moot. The article was restored at the redirect, so the next venue for nominating this page is WP:AFD, if necessary. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic (except in a single caption about a building), it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Article was redirected without discussion. I have restored the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Portland Community College Department of Public Safety[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Noting that the pre-redirection article was eligible for G12 speedy deletion as a copyvio of [4] and [5]. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. tedder (talk) 05:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete There was a brief attempt to make an article here, but it was never more than just an unsourced stub. Normally, I'd say restore but, in this case, deletion seems fine. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Central Oregon Community College Department of Public Safety[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Noting that the pre-redirection article was eligible for G12 speedy deletion as a copyvio of [6]. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect goes to page that doesn't mention the topic, it would be better to have a redlink than a misleading redirect. (strangely, there is a "see also" to this at the target article, which is even more confusing) tedder (talk) 05:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

The Last Samurai(1974 Film)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, The Last Samurai (1974 Film), does not exist. However, the proper variation of the title, The Last Samurai (1974 film), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Cyclone Vida(1975)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Cyclone Vida (1975), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Japanese Tulagi Disembarc(1942)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Japanese Tulagi Disembarc (1942), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Agneepath(2012 film)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 06:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Agneepath (2012 film), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 05:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

John Seed[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24#John Seed

Spondylous[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was No consensus/retarget to wikt:spondylous as a soft redirect. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 03:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target article, making the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. However, there are 3 instances of words that begin with the prefix "spondy-" in the article, but they do not make it very clear why this specific redirect would target the current target. Spondylus exists, but it seems so unrelated to the current target that retargeting there as a misspelling seems incorrect/unhelpful. Steel1943 (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Soft redirect. wikt:spondylous defines it as Relating to spondyles; vertebral; wikt:spondyle reads (archaic, anatomy) A joint of the backbone; a vertebra.. Vertebral currently exists as a redirect to the same target, but is being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 29#Vertebral. I think soft redirecting to Wiktionary is my first choice, but my close second preference is to mark it as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of vertebral and point it wherever the consensus target of that redirect is (my preference for that is Vertebra). Thryduulf (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that the Vertebral RfD closed as retarget to Vertebra a day back. Jay 💬 20:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 04:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_17&oldid=1202245663"