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January 19[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 19, 2022.

Tim Apple[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 27#Tim Apple

Blacksatino[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn (Withdrawn by nominator). (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 21:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page has not been edited by the user and is itself a redirect from a move from userspace to draftspace. I am not entirely sure the purpose of this Blacksatino account, but this redirect probably does not makes sense. TartarTorte 21:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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United Front (China) (disambiguation)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 22:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Former misplaced dab, now an unused redirect with no article history (just dab history) - due to if it wasn't misplaced the dab is superfluous per WP:INCDAB redir to dab section. Unused. Widefox; talk 20:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget per nom, as page creator. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete per nom. On second thought, I don't think we should have redirects like this, and this is what the nomination implies should be done. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, in case I wasn't clear, I've already tried to speedy it, deletion is the intention behind my nom. Widefox; talk 10:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Liberty activism[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A GScholar search does not suggest that these terms are equivalent, with results for the term including Abolitionists, religious freedom activists, civil rights activists. However, none of these terms seem appropriate for a disambiguation page. Delete for lack of a useful target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: too vague. Veverve (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Conservatism and liberty tend to be direct opposites in meaning. Conservatism typically defends "social and economic inequality", per the main article. Dimadick (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete A person searching for "Liberty Activism" is more apt to be searching for, for example, "The Civil Rights Movement" than for "Conservatism in the United States". The redirect seems, at best, arbitrary. Rick Norwood (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Day Sulan[edit]

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Boaz Trust[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 22:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of this at the target. Apparently, it is about this organisation.
I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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History of The Church of Jesus Christ[edit]

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Giggle water[edit]

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Chinese hat[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 23:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My first instinct is to delete this redirect, since it is hopelessly general (there are many styles of headwear in China, past and present). Absent an article on Chinese headwear specifically, it seems problematic to pick out one (particularly one not closely associated with China) as the target of the redirect. TeaDrinker (talk) 05:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • My first thought was retarget to Chinese clothing, but that article does not contain much information about headwear either. feminist (talk) 08:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Growing up in the UK this is exactly what we called a "Chinese hat", and googling the phrase shows that this is by far the primary meaning. Thryduulf (talk) 11:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I agree 100% with Thryduulf. Yes, growing up in the UK this is exactly what we called a "Chinese hat", and googling the phrase shows that this is by far the primary meaning.
    Plus the phrase "Chinese hat" is used as the common name for at least one species of seashells which have that same shape. Invertzoo (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate among Asian conical hat, Chinese clothing, and Calyptraea chinensis (the Chinese hat snail, source of the Chinese hat seashell). I would strongly oppose retaining the current target, as that favors an outsider's perspective on a culture over an insider's one. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabify per Tamzin, probably add Holmskioldia (Chinese hat plant) as well --Lenticel (talk) 12:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Disambig per Tamzin's draft. Jay (talk) 17:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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'A[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 22:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No indication that this random pair of ASCII characters has anything to do with Sirius. SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Apparently Aʻa (but not, as far as I can see, ʻA) is one of the Hawaiian names for Sirius [1]. There's a redirect for Aʻa, but it targets Lava#ʻAʻā, which has a hatnote for Sirius; if it's decided, as seems likely, that we won't be providing navigation for this name of the star, then that hatnote will need to be removed. – Uanfala (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why would deletion of "'A" mean we should not provide a hatnote for "A'a"? 00:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thryduulf (talk • contribs)
      • Ah, I was thinking about the question of whether we should provide navigation for the correct Hawaiian name of the star (Aʻa); WP:RLOTE would suggest that we shouldn't. – Uanfala (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        The lava is ʻAʻā while the star is Aʻa. Even setting aside the difference in diacritic, the former has a whole extra letter, the leading ʻokina. (And it is convention for 'foo [apos.] to redirect to ʻfoo [ʻokina] where otherwise unambiguous.) Which means that the Aʻa and A'a redirects currently point to a typo target rather than a target associated with a correct spelling, which is generally inadvisable. Is a separate RfD in order for that pair? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Aaaaaa, ugh, I got tangled up. OK, so I'm correcting myself above: Aʻa is not the correct name for either of these things: the Hawaiian words for Sirius and the lava are ʻAʻā and ʻaʻā (distinguishable only by letter case) [2]. So, those two other redirects you mention: yeah, they appear to be incorrect in Hawaiian. But the lava appears to be referred to like that at least in English (according to Wiktionary), though of course, there's no okinas involved, it's just plain a'a (a + apostrophe + a). – Uanfala (talk) 02:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        @Uanfala: ʻOkinas and apostrophes are a bit of a nightmare, yes. I made a few hundred redirects for them by AWB a while ago, which is how I learned about Yoʻldosh Aʼzamov, the only article on all of enwiki with both a ʻ and a ʼ in its title. Anyways, so it looks like the first source you gave was wrong then about Aʻa / A'a, without leading ʻokina/apostrophe, being used for Sirius (assuming proper spelling)? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they)
  • Delete Searching for this is tricky because Google refuses to distinguish between "A" and "'A", but I'm not seeing anything obvious in my work around searches to indicate that this is used as an abbreviation for the target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, there's dictionaries, like this one, which lists a fair number of meanings of Hawaiian ʻA, which still do not include Sirius. – Uanfala (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      True, although I was looking to see if there are any actual uses of "'A", referring to Sirius or anything else (an apostrophe can represent an apostrophe as well as substituting for an ʻokina and languages other than Hawaiian exist. Thryduulf (talk) 03:09, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      languages other than Hawaiian exist[citation needed] -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on a possible closure: The redirect is part of the template {{Constellations/Polynesian}}. If deleted, what is the replacement for Sirius at the template? Is it ʻAʻā which currently redirects to lava? All these also redirect to lava: ‘A‘a - 'A'a - `A`a - 'A'ā, despite having corresponding lowercase equivalents pointing to lava: 'a'a - ʻaʻa - `a`a - 'a'ā - ʻaʻā. Jay (talk) 03:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I guess I didn't check well enough before nominating this - it's not mentioned in the Sirius article; maybe a template like "this is a redirect from a title in Hawaiian" would have been helpful? It seems that it is incorrect, but since it's linked in a template it might be best if I withdraw the nomination. SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think the presence of one bit of apparently incorrect information on one Wikipedia page should stop us from removing the same bit of apparently incorrect information elsewhere. Half of the links in that template point to the wrong article, so I'd rather leave solving all the issues to its maintainers. If we absolutely must do something, then replacing the link with something like ʻAʻā (star) will do. – Uanfala (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. A possible alternative is to follow the example of 'e --> É (after the compose key sequence) and redirect to Á (however, that example hasn't been followed for 'o, 'i or 'u). – Uanfala (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Pre-drop[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. No formal !votes, but seems like we have a consensus that the current target is unsuitable and no clear support for another target. signed, Rosguill talk 22:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the term is not restricted to this specific roller coaster company, and also has uses in other contexts (see Drop (music)#Suggested physical effects, wikt:predrop). ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The term is not solely related to B&M, which is definitely not the first manufacturer to use this concept. Much older Arrow Development/Arrow Dynamics coasters also used "pre-drops". The term is sometimes referred to as a "tester hill", and this is covered at Roller coaster elements#Tester hill. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the above, it is not used solely by B&M. To be honest, I am not familiar with the term "tester hill" either, and do not recall seeing that term used outside of Wikipedia (or the dozens of mirror/copy sites). I also noticed that none of the text explaining pre-drop, tester hill, or trick hill at Roller coaster elements#Tester hill is backed up with a citation. As to the redirect, I would be surprised if someone actually searched for the term "pre-drop." Although it could be directed to the elements page, I'm not sure that is even necessary. As mentioned above, the term is used in multiple contexts. Perhaps it should just be deleted. I think we also need to take a good look at the "Roller coaster elements#Tester hill entry and decide if that belongs. At the very least, it should probably be tagged as needing a citation.—JlACEer (talk) 19:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, you're right. I couldn't find anything reliable outside of Wikipedia using the term "tester hill". That section needs some work for sure. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Currently broadcasted programs by Duronto TV[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 21:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The title is very long with grammatical errors. So it should be deleted. Shinnosuke15, 00:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment the template was at this title from creation in October until the nominator moved it shortly before the nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 01:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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UCI 2019[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 21:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to the 74 redirects nominated below, this a crossnamespace redirect to a long-ago editathon (see #Mainspace redirects to meetups and editathons for the full rationale). This one however has a plausible alternative target - 2019 UCI Road World Championships - which is the primary topic based on my searches, although 2019 UCI World Tour also appears it does so less often. I currently have no prference between retargetting, deletion and disambiguating the cycling events. Thryduulf (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete shouldn't be creating links to meetups in article space. As per nom, would expect UCI to refer to a pro cycling tournament, not a random Wiki meetup. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Cooking plate[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Hot plate. ✗plicit 14:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surprising redirect, not mentioned at target. The target contains physical devices you would find in a lab, so adding a cooking device does not seem a reasonable option. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the page history it was always intended to go to Hot plate, but it was set as a redirect to Hotplate which was itself an incorrect redirect to Heating element instead of Hot plate but to fix the WP:2RE, it got resolved that it should go to Heating element despite that being the result of a bad target from Hotplate. TartarTorte 14:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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EMerge Alliance[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

EMerge Alliance is simply a company that develops standards for DC power, this does not make it synonymous for DC. Delete. ZaidhaanH (talk) 10:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The only mention on Wikipedia is on the Emerge disambig page, which should be retained as a redlink if the organisation is notable or removed if they aren't (I have no opinion). Thryduulf (talk) 15:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Benignity[edit]

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Goomah[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Glossary of Mafia-related words. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 08:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection unclear. Per the redirect's edit history, this redirect may be a WP:FORRED issue since it may be in a foreign language without common use in the English language. Steel1943 (talk) 06:47, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Model designators[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Product (business). Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like an excessively specific target for such a generic phrase. Searching both on google and wikipedia found a wide variety of uses, for planes and motorbikes as well as cars. I couldn't find a more suitable target, so I would suggest delete. Note that this term is not actually mentioned at the current target. A7V2 (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - note that the singular model designator, and similar model designation and model designations are all currently redlinks. A7V2 (talk) 04:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per G7. Note that there are now no mainspace links to this redir. I apparently did not create a talk page with a section Why this page when I created this redir, which is unusual for me and a shame, but I assume that there were redlinks at the time that this resolved. There's no reason to keep it now. Andrewa (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • retarget to Product (business), matching where model number points to -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:00, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support this alternate suggestion (change of !vote). The destination of the redir currently at model number is Product (business)#Product Model. Much better. Andrewa (talk) 06:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Vauxhall Alex[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to be a joke redirect. Certainly not mentioned at the target. The only connection I could find is this blog piece [3] where the author argues that the Vauxhall version of this model should have been named the Alex, in honour of its founder, since the Adam is named after Opel's founder. Delete. A7V2 (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom, presumably a joke or an obscure reference. It's sold as the Vauxhall Adam in the UK. Bonoahx (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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History of South Asia[edit]

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