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April 4[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 4, 2022.

American financial crisis[edit]

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Russia Sanctions[edit]

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The result of the discussion was various: create an index for the first six (done at Sanctions involving Russia, as that suggestion met no opposition, but the title of that page is not set in stone), no consensus for the last two (the options being either retargeting to the above index, or to Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act: no prejudice to speedy renominating these two). (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 18:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear whether the titles of the first three refer to sanctions by Russia, or sanctions on Russia. Additionally, it is unclear to which round of sanctions is being referred. Possible results include choosing one as the primary topic (I'd say there's a good case to be made for International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War, but that may be considered recentism), retargeting them bar the last to Economic sanctions#Russian sanctions or Russia sanctions against Ukraine, or deleting them to encourage a creation à la United States sanctions or Sanctions against North Korea. Given that there are differing interpretations, I thought it would be best to bring it to RfD for harmonisation. "Sanctions on Russia" doesn't suffer from the two-fold ambiguity of the rest, but I have bundled it together due to the one of the layers of ambiguity being identical. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note. I've added another four redirects for which the same considerations as "Sanctions on Russia" apply and so should be discussed with the others. Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm tempted by a dab (or more likely set index) here, listing the various sanctions that have been applied by and against Russia/the Soviet Union over the years, including both present targets. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Setindexify/disambiguate per nom's list of articles -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabify to the articles found by nominator. --Lenticel (talk) 04:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dab the first six pages to "Sanctions involving Russia". However, I think US sanctions against Russia should be retargeted to Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, otherwise there would be 30+ redirects to International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War, each being the country imposing sanctions against Russia. lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 16:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC); Edited 09:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate and separate the articles — Reason is, that Russia and/or people in Russia have had sanctions levied against them before the 2022 expansion of the Russo-Ukrianian War, which began in 2014. The lists of sanctions are very long already, so they should chronologically be separated to those levied after the 2014 annexation of Crimea, the incursion into, and takeover of parts of Donbass and Luhansk provinces, and the sanctions levied after 24. February 2022. There may also be lists of sanctions that predate the Russo-Ukrainian War, including the various Magnitsky Acts in several countries. -Mardus /talk 21:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • These are not really ambiguous terms, as the phrase can refer to all such sanctions collectively, so create a set index. BD2412 T 00:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Setindexify or DABify per all above. Veverve (talk) 01:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Putting wedge[edit]

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Immutocracy[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 06:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neologism not mentioned at the target, no hits on GScholar and nothing relevant in internet search results. Delete unless evidence of use or other justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Restricted (jewish)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 06:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect targets an anchor to a paragraph regarding the use of the term "restricted" in country clubs and the term (per the article) is specific to Jewish people. However, the redirect as titled seems vague. With the title of the redirect, I would possibly expect to run across a topic related to The Holocaust or something similar, making the current target a potential WP:SURPRISE. In addition, a similar and more specific redirect, Restricted (country club), exists and targets the same location. For the aforementioned reasons, it would be best to delete this redirect so readers can utilize Wikipedia's search function for potentially better (and broader) results rather than being pigeonholed into arriving at this target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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ILGA Purges[edit]

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Exercise room[edit]

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Gym profit[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 17:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The term is not mentioned in the target article. Also, given the existence of similar articles such as Gym, if the concept exists, it would most likely not be exclusive to the redirect's current target. Steel1943 (talk) 19:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Open Gym[edit]

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(EPG's)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The target of this redirect can be referred to by the acronym "EPG" and in the plural form "EPGs" as well; however, the use of parentheses and an apostrophe in this redirect leave it unlikely and WP:COSTLY. Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(EP) Minus 1[edit]

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(Dealul Manzului)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear/unnecessary/WP:COSTLY use of parentheses. However, the non-parentheses version, Dealul Manzului, presently does not exist; at the present time, this spelling variation is not mentioned in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as version lacking parentheses doesn't exist. Page had some content for 8 minutes that was then redirected by the creator. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I agree. There seems to be no reason to keep this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Modding (Command & Conquer)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 22:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation makes no sense, not a believable redirect that people could be looking for. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, this is an {{R from move}} that was at this title for a few weeks in 2007 before being moved to Modding of Command & Conquer, which was then redirected to the main article per an AfD in 2009. I am not sure if there was ever any mention of modding at the target, but we should just leave these redirects per the consensus of the AfD. If someone felt strongly otherwise, I think both redirects should be considered together to reach a new consensus. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mdewman6: The other redirect contains the entire article history, although it was entirely WP:OR even at the time. This redirect both has no history to speak of nor makes sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, 3 weeks is long enough to collect external links, so we generally keep such redirects from moves. Usually there is no benefit in deletion of such redirects, and if there were content about modding at the target, this redirect would be just fine. The problem here is that in spite of the AfD outcome over a decade ago, there is currently no content at the target. But that's more a question for how to handle the other redirect with the page history. I think as long as that one stays, this one should just be left alone. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I disagree with Mdewman6's arguments. Veverve (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Modding is not unique to this game and anyone looking here for information on modding this game, whether we have any or not, would already know we have an article and to go straight there. This redirect would do nothing to help anyone actually searching for the information it implies because they wouldn't be using it in the first place. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 08:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Quantity synopsis parts list[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn/resolved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target's subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 18:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Quantity synopsis parts list is a type of BOM (a parts list resolved to quantities of needed parts). I have now added a short explanation to the article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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MEFeater[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Listed in the references (as well as the references of a few other articles), but no indication of any actual connection with the target Dan Liu. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Cacharel)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After searching through third party search engines for a bit, I'm not seeing any evidence that the title "Cacharel" appears in parentheses, even in first party sources. Delete this as misleading due to Wikipedia conventions making this look like a disambiguator, as well as not used in any official capacity as a version of the title of the target subject. Steel1943 (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Blunderbuss (Teddy Thompson EP)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COSTLY redirects due to the unlikely and not closed left parenthesis at the beginning of the title. Steel1943 (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to have created the Teddy Thompson one. Feel free to delete! ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. The first two are {{R from move}}s, but were only briefly at these improperly punctuated titles, so can be safely deleted. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Happy Editing--IAmChaos 17:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unlikely format/ spelling variant --Lenticel (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Ayan)Virisampatti[edit]

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(Aniak (Crater()[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:34, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely, WP:COSTLY redirect due to the bizarre use of parentheses. Steel1943 (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. No idea comes to mind about what the rationale behind the creation of this redirect could have been. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Psalter (Roman Catholic)[edit]

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(1819)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 05:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be no reason for these two years in particular to have redirects from the year in parentheses (and they're the only four-digit years with such redirects as far as I can tell). They are both unlinked and received respectively only 1 and 3 hits this year and 22 and 19 hits last year. Googling is no help as it doesn't distinguish between "1819" and "(1819)", but even if it did there are countless legitimate uses for a year to appear in parentheses in running text that don't indicate anything about its suitability as a search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete both per nom. Perhaps these were once used in links, but do not seem to be currently. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Game of Desire[edit]

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Salad vegetable[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Salad. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 07:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The target article does not mention the word "salad" anywhere, leaving the terms unidentified in the target article. In addition, it would probably not be appropriate to retarget these redirects to Salad since the article doesn't seem to be able to identify what a "salad vegetable" is either. Steel1943 (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Salad anyway; even if the article doesn't use the phrase, it does clearly identify plenty of vegetables commonly used in salads. BD2412 T 02:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to salad. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to salad. By defining what "salad" is, the article implicitly defines what a "salad vegetable" is: a vegetable used for salads. Paradoctor (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Salad per Paradoctor and above, most plausible redirect. Bonoahx (talk) 11:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Salad, of course. Johnbod (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Salad as most plausible target. The mention could use a cite though. --Lenticel (talk) 05:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Fruit vegetable[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Vegetable#Terminology. Jay (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing WP:XY situation: Fruit or Vegetable? (Yeah, it's a common question, but as a redirect, the WP:XY exists regardless where it targets.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm inclined to delete, but List of vegetables#Fruits is a possible target (however that list also has sections for "Chile peppers" and "Podded vegetables", which are both fruits; perhaps the list could be modified so "Chile peppers" and "Podded vegetables" are subsections of "Fruit"). Plantdrew (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/refine - I don't think this is an unreasonable search term given the confusion so many seem to have about believing these terms to be mutually exclusive. Plantdrew's target is acceptable, but I prefer Vegetable#Terminology where the confusion is well explained. A7V2 (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:S[edit]

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Wrestling at the 2024 Summer Olympics[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Too early for this redirect. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom and WP:TOOSOON, a few similar 2024 Olympics redirects have been deleted over the past couple of months for the same reason. Bonoahx (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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White Russian Americans[edit]

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GHOST (vessel)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Ghost (disambiguation). signed, Rosguill talk 22:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ships' names are often capitalised, but the target article does not describe a vessel called "GHOST". Note that Ghost (vessel) does not exist. The original intention of this redirect was to target Juliet Marine Systems Ghost. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading. A vessel named "Ghost" is not the same as a ghost ship. WP:INCOMPDAB applies here. Paradoctor (talk) 09:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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=U=[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 22:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what this has to do with the topic, and it is impossible to search this emoticon-like keyword with a search engine. I could not nominate this page using Twinkle due to technical problems caused by beginning and ending with an equals sign. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This appears to be an error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and tag as {{r without mention}}. The "U" obviously stands for Ustaše (mentioned at U (disambiguation) § Other uses), and the "=" stand for its wings. Similar to the Top Gun logo, if not as literal. Paradoctor (talk) 22:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Umm, I don't get it. I don't see anything about the logo that looks anything like an equals sign, or even like wings. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume you talk about the Top Gun logo? If so, I wasn't saying it uses equals signs, just that the design can be seen to invoke an image of wings. If you don't see it, that's fine. Metaphors rarely work for everyone. But they do work for some. Paradoctor (talk) 06:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P.S.: Maybe this is helpful here. Paradoctor (talk) 07:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also do not see where the Ustaše logo is supposed to have wings. Veverve (talk) 17:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That would have been a misunderstanding. I was not talking about the graphical logo.
during World War II, its military wings became the Croatian Home Guard and the Ustaše Militia
The infobox explicitly lists two wings: Ustaše Youth and Ustaše Militia. Paradoctor (talk) 09:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think the wings mentioned in the infobox are the symbolified wings? The redirect creator had added mention of this symbol and of ZDS at the target. The symbol was subsequently removed, and a citation needed was added for ZDS (which I have now removed). This says it's a stylised letter U, and this says something I didn't understand: the character of "Ujko Smješko" (Eng. Uncle Smiley – a letter U asn Ustasha is put on the face of a smiley). Without a reference, the redirect title may just be someone's creative rendering or WP:OR. Jay (talk) 10:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think I found it obvious. That does not carry normative power for others, of course.
I don't know why you cited the refs, neither of them appears about the symbol we're discussing here. There can be different symbols for the same thing. As regards "Ujko Smješko", that's just a standard smiley with the mouth replaced by an uppercase "U", like this.
may just be someone's creative rendering I'll assume AGF here, that the contributor reported on what they saw, rather than making it up. Prima facie and all that. Paradoctor (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P. S.: It does not really matter whether the "=" represents wings or not. The question here is whether "=U=" is an Ustaše symbol. So far, we have reason to believe so. Considering the impossibility of using search engine results, this redirect seems invaluable to readers trying to find out the meaning of "=U=". Paradoctor (talk) 10:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you are asking about the refs I mentioned here (theguardian and ombudsman), then they do refer to the symbol of Ustase being discussed here. They do not mention wings or the "=" or similar characters.
So far, we have reason to believe so. How? What I am I missing? Jay (talk) 10:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As the discussion is also about the creator having probably seen the symbol somewhere, I'm pinging the redirect creator Nikola Smolenski as I see he is active. Jay (talk) 10:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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