Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 15

March 15[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 15, 2015.

State song[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Consensus is that U.S. state songs are the only things commonly referred to as "state songs", but I'll add a hatnote. --BDD (talk) 15:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

State song → List of U.S. state songs (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

States outside the US have 'state songs' as well, so this is not appropriate. - The ChampionMan 1234 22:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment a "state" is a country, so national anthem is also a meaning for this term -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The United States, surely, is the only country that specifically kinda divides itself up into "states" (at least in the English-speaking world) so that state songs would seem perfectly apt. Yes, counties and provinces and territories and so on can have songs too, but this is just so obviously where it should go. For example, we have Men of Harlech and Flower of Scotland and When Irish Eyes Are Smiling and even some others, but we don't this side of the pond call them state songs. Even though the United Kingdom is well a queendom, sort of united occasionally by hatred of brocolli and that kind of thing, it is an agglomeration of nation states...

But then I think India is divided (or united) into states, but we don't have List of Indian state songs or List of Canadian state songs and so on, because they are not known as state songs.

Although State flower does → Floral emblem, essentially a list article but more worldwide, and yet State bird is a DAB. (I checked the other caps they are red.) So perhaps there is some inconsistency here. that needs titying up somehow... Si Trew (talk) 09:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have List of American state songs but do have List of US state songs to the same list, so perhaps I am talking myself out of my own argument.... 09:29, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- Organization of American States -- "American states" are the countries of the Americas. So a "List of American state songs" would be a list of national anthems for the Americas. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 23:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - other English-speaking nations have political subdivisions known as "states" (India, for example) however the idea of a representative song for these subdivisions (or at least their prominence and veneration) seems to be a uniquely American thing. A hatnote to national anthem could be appropriate, but as far as I'm aware national anthems aren't commonly referred to as "state songs". To Si Trew's point, we do have anthems and nationalistic songs of Canada (not referred to in any case as "state songs"), and List of anthems of non-sovereign countries, regions and territories which U.S. state songs are specifically omitted from because of the existence of the other list (as noted in the anthems list). Ivanvector (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OoOh, this is a tricky little bugger then isn't it. 22:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs)

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UNICEF Pakistan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was procedural close as it is no longer a redirect. (non-admin closure) Tavix | Talk 01:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

UNICEF Pakistan → UNICEF (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

This redirect wrongly suggests that we have an article that specifically discusses what UNICEF does in Pakistan, which is not the case. I suggest deleting this redirect to encourage article creation. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~I plan to write an article on UNICEF Pakistan and have temporarily redirected it to UNICEF. SAMI ^talk 21:50, 15 March 2015 (UTC)~~[reply]

UNICEF Pakistan is no more a redirect. SAMI ^talk 23:48, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Crimean War (2014)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 23#Crimean War (2014)

Z Bootis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Z Bootis → Zeta Boötis (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Let's add this one to the list of bad astronomy redirects created by User:Eubot. See below for rationale for "T Booetis", which applies the same to this. StringTheory11 (t • c) 15:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. We should have an article on this object, or a redlink, not a confusing redirect. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Eubot (talk · contribs) trash. Thousands of Eubot redirects have been deleted over the years -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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U Bootis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

U Bootis → Upsilon Boötis (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Let's add this one to the list of bad astronomy redirects created by User:Eubot. See below for rationale for "T Booetis", which applies the same to this. StringTheory11 (t • c) 15:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. We should have an article on this object, or a redlink, not a confusing redirect. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Eubot (talk · contribs) trash redirect corrupting Wikipedia by implying one star is another -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Z Booetis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Z Booetis → Zeta Boötis (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Let's add this one to the list of bad astronomy redirects created by User:Eubot. See below for rationale for "T Booetis", which applies the same to this. StringTheory11 (t • c) 15:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As below, this is an incorrect redirection combined with an incorrect respelling. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Eubot (talk · contribs) crap redirect misinforming readers about which star is which by making a different star point to another -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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T Booetis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

T Booetis → Tau Boötis (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Tau Boötis and T Boötis are different stars! T Boötis does not have an article yet (although it appears notable). Anyways, this redirect only serves to cause confusion between the two stars at the moment, and until the T Boötis article is created, this redirect should remain a redlink as well. StringTheory11 (t • c) 01:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In addition to the issue noted in the nomination, the "¨" in "Boötis" is a diaeresis (vowel separator), not an umlaut (vowel modifier), so the respelling is incorrect. On its own, that's not a problem, but combined with the issue in the nomination it makes this redirect something that's better off deleted. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is yet another crap redirect created by Eubot (talk · contribs) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Eubot (talk · contribs)}... oh and all these ones of course. Si Trew (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:41, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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2015 Florida A&M Rattlers Baseball Team[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 14:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Florida A&M Rattlers Baseball Team → 2015 Florida A&M Rattlers baseball team (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

No reason for this page to exist, as there are no other pages of this kind that contain this kind of redirect, and when one searches for it using the search bar, the non-capitalized version will come up. Additionally, no articles are linked to this page (the redirect page), so there will be no redlinks created. Ben^Yes? 01:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a perfectly standard and perfectly harmless {{R from other capitalisation}}. Not all methods of searching offer suggestions, and several are case sensitive (including links from other internet sites, which do not show up in whatlinkshere). Thryduulf (talk) 03:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as Thryduulf says. Si Trew (talk) 09:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Jim Bourbon[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 23#Jim Bourbon

Renato Bourbon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Renato Bourbon → Paulo Ferreira (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

I can find no sources to show that this is a nickname for the target player Paulo Ferreira. I inquired on the author's talk page and received no response. I likewise asked on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Unreferenced BLPs if this was some sort of in-joke or other valid nickname, but no response there either. Crow^Caw 00:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Actually there appears to be a brand of Brazilian whiskey called Renato Bourbon, but then this is misleading... chicago.eventful.com/events/whiskey-wednesdays-sponsored-four-roses-bourbon-/E0-001-071516585-9. So delete to encourage the creation f the article. Si Trew (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Raul Bourbon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:50, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Raul Bourbon → Raúl Albiol (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

I can find no sources to show that this is a nickname for the target player Raul Albiol. I inquired on the author's talk page and received no response. I likewise asked on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Unreferenced BLPs if this was some sort of in-joke or other valid nickname, but no response there either. Crow^Caw 00:15, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. these are just people (mostly on facebook etc) that happen to have the surname "Bourbon". Hardly useful. I think a few French people did at one point, but we don't have Charles Bourbon because of that.

Oh apparently we do... it R's to Duke of Bourbon... Si Trew (talk) 08:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

vk.com/raulbourbon is a deleted profile for Raul Barcellos, so presumably these are "just" people's names? I mean, is some directory service outside Wikipedia just randomly chucking them in, and if so, why? Si Trew (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was one user who added this and the above two. These 3 are all that remains of his non-deleted edits (of which there were some copyvios as I recall, that's how I came to be aware of his edits). Crow^Caw 22:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Michele di Ridolfi[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Michele di Ridolfi → Michele Tosini (links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Delete for mispell. Correct alternative name is Michele di Ridolfo. I am Italian, Michele di "Ridolfi" is a typo, means nothing (Ridolfi is a family name nothing to do with this artist). Sailko (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as {{R from mispelling}}. I've marked as such since that in itself would seem uncontroversial, but not to prejudice this discussion. Not everyone speaks Italian. 09:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

The thing was already an {{R from move}}. Si Trew (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article says "but then moved into the studio of Ridolfo Ghirlandaio, from whom he acquired the name Michele di Ridolfi" (my emphasis on the name). It does not appear to be a typo but an alternative name. Even if it is a typo as Sailko says (article would need to be fixed) just being a typo is not a reason to delete. -- GB fan 10:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I fixed the article. My main interest in it.wiki is Italian Renaissance artists, especially Florentine, like Michele Tosini, and I have never heard him named "Michele di Ridolfi" (see the entry of the main enciclopedia in Italian). A variant could be "Michele Ridolfi", but not "di Ridolfi". The reason is "Ridolfo" is a first name, and it would mean Michele of Ridolfo (Ridolfo's Michael). Ridolfi is a last name instead. Many Italian last names comes from changing the father's first name end from O to I. For instance, my name is Francesco, if I had a son in the Renaissance, he could be named either "di Francesco" or "Franceschi", but not "di Franceschi", which makes no sense. At least it could be "dei Franceschi" (of the Franceschi family). But if this is the policy of en.wiki, just keep the random typos, I suggest to create more redirects Michele di Ridolfa, Michele di Ridolfe and Michele di Ridolfu as well (and more, more variants). Silly and shocking. --Sailko (talk) 12:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, just because something is created does not mean it must be deleted, or others created (and I could go further and suggest Michél du Rodolfo and so forth, if you fancy mixing languages). The point is, is it something people are likely to search for'? We have no responsibility deliberately to create silly links: but we have a responsibility not to break existing ones, and to fix (as best we can) existing ones. WP:RFD#D8, says a reaspm fpor deletion would be "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name", but I can't see that this is either. Certainly we don't make up WP:NEOLOGISMs, but we have no idea what existing external links might go through here, and this is WP:NOTBROKEN. I'm sorry you dislike it, but it's WP:NOTPERFECT. Si Trew (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stats are exactly zero for ninety days, though, so perhaps it could go.... 16:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs)

@Sailko:There's a difference between "random" typos and "plausible" typos. If a typo helps someone find an article, we should keep it. If it is implausible that it's helping anyone (and to take it a step farther, it inhibits people), then we should delete it. The redlinks you mentioned shouldn't be filled unless it is plausible that people use those names to refer to him (which, without researching, I'd probably say that they do not). Tavix | Talk 07:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't think that it's a typo...more like an alternate name. My research took me to the article for Michele Ridolfi. There, it makes reference to "Michele di Ridolfi" in the last sentence of the biography. Tavix | Talk 07:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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