Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 1

March 1[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 1, 2014.

List of deep water ports[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of deep water ports → List of Panamax ports (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]
List of deep-water ports → List of Panamax ports (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]
List of deepwater ports → List of Panamax ports (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]

Panamax ports are only one type of deepwater port, this redirect is therefore misleading. 70.50.151.11 (talk) 07:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

70.50, you seem to have added this entry three times so I have taken out the triplicates (unless I am mistaken, which I usually am.) - Si Trew (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are not the same. You need to read the nominations more carefully (particularly the spelling). -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've combined the nominations into one so that this will be clearer. For the record, SimonTrew's initial "delete" comment occurred before I did so. 172.9.22.150 (talk) 02:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding them back. Sorry I hadn't spotted the hyphens etc: which does go to show, what has been discussed here recently, that similar entries should be combined: otherwise it is kinda hard at a glance to tell the difference (and there is no point going through the redirects because obviously they lead to the same place). To my mind, it is clearer if similar redirects to the same target are put in the same nomination rather than have separate nominations, but I know others disagree with that: I was simply acting in good faith thinking that 70.50 had accidentally put the same entry in three times, I now see that 70.50 hadn't, but the difference is quite subtle. Si Trew (talk) 10:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as misleading per 70.50. List of Panamax ports serves the purpose and there is no good in having a misleading misdirect. It's handy to have a list of Panamax ports since they are relatively few in number (at least until the widening of the Panama canal is completed). Deep-water port already redirects to Port and an exhaustive list of deep-water ports would surely come under WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Si Trew (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all three. "Deep-water port" in any spelling variation is a far more subjective classification than "Panamax", and not a good candidate for a list article in any case. While these could be redirected to the main List of seaports, that page is not classified by depth, so it makes a poor target. 172.9.22.150 (talk) 02:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is a very logical thing for people to be searching Wikipedia for, so if we have such a list or something reasonably equivalent to it then we should definitely keep the links as blue. However given that people more knowledgeable than me say the current target is just a small subset and the List of seaports a large superset, it seems we're looking at deletion. I'll alert the folks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ports to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is a Panamax container ship is made to exactly the size that fits through the locks on the Panama Canal, and that is kinda its definition. To my knowledge there are no Panamax ports in the UK but there are plenty of deepwater ports. (There was a plan to build one at Felixstowe, Ipswich, Immingham, Hull or other places along the UK east coast/north sea but in the UK's usual way that will take forever to get planning permission before it is built and that is WP:CRYSTAL.) So these are misleadiing misdirects and should be deleted. Si Trew (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to a more congruent meaning, like List of seaports or Category:Ports and harbours. Panamax is a limited ship size, and not the same as "deep water harbor" size. Even worse, there is this. If a ship is bigger than Panamax, that is called "Post-Panamax" (obviously too big for the locks, already 100 years). Mentioning a size "Panamax", that is a maximum size. So the target page is actually the opposite of the redirect page name. (I can also not that the lead of the target page is incorrect wrt these sizes. e.g., the Panamax size definition will not change with the new locks. There will be introduced another name). -DePiep (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Feral Calf[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 14#Feral Calf