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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 23, 2012

Mizu[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Five_elements_(Japanese_philosophy)#Sui. Tikiwont (talk) 20:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary foreign language redirect (mizu is the Japanese word for "water"). I don't think there's any chance we'd keep 水, みず, or ミズ (kanji, hiragana, katakana respectively) as redirects because there's no way anyone would come to en.wiki searching for water in Japanese, so there's no reason to keep this. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (as the creator of the redirect): Perhaps what you say has merit; yet many foreign words exist that either redirect or have an article that are originally foreign. For example, Café (Romance), Aqua (Latin), Baklawa (Turkish) or the Ellinika (Greek). Just because you might assume transliterated foreign words aren't used and don't belong on this Wiki doesn't necessarily mean they are. While I agree not all foreign words should be translated/transliterated and redirected to their English counterpart (in the case of redundant titles such as the Japanese equivalent for a small town in Hungary) common simple words in a foreign language should be able to redirect to our native counterpart to help someone who's not exactly fluent in our language. Ellomate (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We're not talking about the same thing here. Cafe, aqua, and baklava are all loanwords, while Ellinika is Greek for Greek language. Except for mizuage (which has a meaning completely unrelated to water), where in English is "mizu" used for anything, and again why would we expect anyone to search for the term water in Japanese (in romaji, no less) on en.wiki? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you know your languages (or how to use Google Translate)! Cosmopolitanism is something I think we can all welcome here on Wikipedia. The last one I mentioned, and you bring up, "Ellinika", is in fact a transliteration from the Greek Language and not an original text either. Not to digress, but I wonder how the Greeks must feel about our transliteration of their language too. Actually, now that we have a discussion going, can I change my vote to Retarget? Ellomate (talk) 06:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you can always reconsider; I have myself. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 06:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Five_elements_(Japanese_philosophy)#Sui which is also known as "mizu" apparently. Siuenti (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per Siuenti or Delete since Wikipedia is WP:NOTDIC not a translation or transcription dictionary, there's no need for non-English redirects for general topics. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 23:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - useful for navigation, no benefits of deleting the redirect have been suggested. WilyD 07:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per Siuenti. Redirects from foreign language terms that are not used in English and unconnected to the subject are not helpful per WP:FORRED, doubly so when, as here, the term is used to mean something different, Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I retargeted the redirect as there have been no absolute deletes thus far. If there aren't any objects, I request this discussion be closed. Ellomate (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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No Fun League[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to List of NFL nicknames. Tikiwont (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of this in the target article ZappaOMati 16:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking around, most of the sources aren't reliable (Bleacher Report, League of Legends(?), etc), and the lone reliable source I found was the Baltimore Sun with the phrase, "petty soon the No Fun League will be a flag football or two hand touch league."[1] ZappaOMati 18:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sports Illustrated? Hot Stop (Edits) 18:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Daily Times (Delaware County)? New York Daily News? 90.9 WBUR (an NPR station in Boston)? NBCsports.com? That's just from the current crop of Google News articles, I've not even looked in the archive. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Vladimir Putin quotes[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Vladimir Putin#Speeches and catch phrases. Ruslik_Zero 16:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous precedent. We could have a soft redirect to Wikiquote from "quotes from" anything. A sisterlink in the parent article is fine. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • It looks like much of the material was copied to Wikiquote in 2007. Do we need to retain the page history for license compatibility? - Eureka Lott 15:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the transwiki was done correctly (I've not checked) then no we don't as the history will be at Wikiquote. However, this is an extremely well used redirect, with over 180 hits/month, showing that this is a very likely search term (which is hardly surprising). As I see it we can keep this as a soft redirect, but using a template equivalent to {{Wiktionary}}, but this is not especially helpful I don't think. Alternatively we can retarget it to Vladimir Putin, which has a Wikiquote link at the bottom, or better still retarget to Vladimir Putin#Speeches and catch phrases and add a hatnote at the top of the section pointing to Wikiquote. I note in the history that user:Dawynn retargeted this to Vladimir Putin in July, but reverted themselves a minute later without any obvious comments anywhere. I will invite them to take part this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I avoided using the word transwiki because it looks like one never happened. It was a copy and paste move. - Eureka Lott 18:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • In that case it looks like we have a far more serious issue then this redirect. It looks like the mover didn't give the Wikipedia editors credit, and, in the process, accidentally claimed these quotes as his own work, and possibly violated the GFDL/CC-BY-SA. Somebody should take care of this, and make sure the Wikiqoute article gives proper credit to the Wikipedia editors. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • The wikiquotes page was created in 2004, while this Wikipedia page was created in 2007. There was a large infusion at wikiquotes on 18 January 2007, the day before this article was created on 19 January 2007, this page was redirected to wikiquotes on 5 July 2007, without more additions at wikiquote, so whatever the attribution problem, it isn't because of this page. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • It's true that there was a large addition to the Wikiquote page on January 19, 2007, but there was another significant addition on on July 5, 2007. The material added to Wikiquote was copied from the above nominated page shortly after it was redirected. - Eureka Lott 00:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Hmm... I seem to have misread that as small additions. In any case, the problem cannot be corrected with a transwiki, since the wikiquotes page pre-existed the wikipedia page, unless WikiQuotes uses subpage attribution. If it does, then there's no problem with transwiki-ing it now, because this page would never hav existed as part of the edit history of the quotes page, only as an additional page with edit histories. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 01:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Vladimir Putin, per Thryduulf. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Vladimir Putin. The article has a link section to Wikiquote so I guess it won't break the spirit of the redirect.--Lenticel (talk) 01:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Portal:Northwest Territories/Current events[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. After 2½ weeks with no comments it's safe to say there is no objection to this. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unused internal utility redirect. Portals can easily point at WikiNews themselves. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hans Wilhelm Schüßler[edit]

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The result of the discussion was converted to an article. Thryduulf (talk) 00:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete per nom and Wikipedia:Soft redirect: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they will generally be unhelpful to English-language readers." Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article created Hi, again valid remark that the soft redirect is not helpful to English-language readers. I have created an initial article stub to resolve this issue. Thanks Thumperward for reminding me, SchreyP (messages) 20:24, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Roger Van Overstraeten[edit]

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The result of the discussion was now an article and so out of scope for RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 22:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete per nom and Wikipedia:Soft redirect: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they will generally be unhelpful to English-language readers." Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article created Hi, valid remark that the soft redirect is not helpful to English-language readers. I have created an initial article stub to resolve this issue. And thanks Thumperward for reminding me, SchreyP (messages) 22:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Sortebakkeskolen[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete per nom and Wikipedia:Soft redirect: "Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they will generally be unhelpful to English-language readers." Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete to encourage creation of English article.--Lenticel (talk) 01:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Lycosa coelestis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:10, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a plausible article topic, and the mechanism that has the strongest consensus for how to encourage creation of such things is to redlink them. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Portal:Gene Wiki/SCOP[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and non-useful utility template. Pages within the Gene Wiki portal can trivially link to Commons directly. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

nominations with identical nomination statements merged. Thryduulf (talk) 18:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both or convert to proper templates if such would have any use. Thryduulf (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both no idea why I originally created these redirects. As far as I can tell, they are not used. Cheers, AndrewGNF (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Galleries of flags[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete all. Ruslik_Zero 19:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous precedent. We could have a soft redirect to Commons from "Gallery of" anything. A sisterlink in the parent article is fine. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merged nominations with identical rationales. Thryduulf (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak delete I don't see these as particularly useful soft redirects - pages starting "Gallery of" should really be only one of three things:
    1. Galleries of images here (e.g. Gallery of sovereign-state flags)
    2. Encyclopaedia articles about galleries (e.g. Gallery of Beauties)
    3. Internal redirects or disambiguation pages linking to one or both of the above (e.g. Gallery of Illustration, Gallery of Modern Art (disambiguation)). Thryduulf (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak delete If I recall correctly, the purpose of these galery pages was to present a sampling of flags with particular features (solid colors, et al) without publishing the grand lot of them within the gallery page on Wikipedia. A hatnote link in the parent article leading to a concordant Commons gallery was included for readers who wished to view more. It appears that tidy organizational structure has since been lost on later edits, so the Wikipedia gallery pages are once again a mess. Redirects to the lengthy galleries on Commons do serve the purpose of providing the relevant images, but galleries within WP are intended to be condensed and easier to browse. Less is more, after all. —Down10 TACO 22:51, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Pictures of Jhelum[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Jhelum. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous precedent. We could have a soft redirect to Commons from "Picture to" anything. A sisterlink in the parent article is fine. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Jhelum per nominator's reasoning.  — Amakuru (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Jhelum, there's an image gallery there and a link to WikiCommons.---Lenticel (talk) 01:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Permutomino[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

{*Permutomino → commons:Permutomino (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

This is a plausible article topic, and the mechanism that has the strongest consensus for how to encourage creation of such things is to redlink them. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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José Arana Cruz[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 05:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom and WP:Soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above, redirect is completely useless to an English-speaking audience. Hut 8.5 14:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 22:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Jacqueline François[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 05:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom and WP:Soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above, redirect is completely useless to an English-speaking audience. Hut 8.5 14:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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List of manga by Japanese title[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to List of manga licensed in English. Ruslik_Zero 16:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: When Wikidata comes in, it would be nice if it could be sortable in many directions depending on what the user wants. Anyway, originally it was a listing of manga, but sorted by the Japanese title. After an AFD in 2006 it was changed to a soft redirect. It may be helpful to review the page history so one can see if there are earlier versions of a page that may warrant keeping. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as redirects are cheap and even though you may not find it useful, other English readers may find it useful. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to List of manga licensed in English. In it's present form, this is not useful to English speakers. If the table at the list of manga article were not so huge, I'd say redirect this there and restructure the table so it is sortable on any field. As it is, it would be better to redirect users there and add a note in the introduction that a list sorted by Japanese title is available at the Japanese Wikipedia. This will give context to the link so that those who can read Japanese can find it useful while those who can't are presented with a page in English rather than a cryptic string of symbols. Thryduulf (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per Thryduulf. We have an English language page with similar content already. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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List of planets in the F-Zero series[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to F-Zero#Gameplay. Ruslik_Zero 16:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Transwikied content which wasn't appropriate on Wikipedia. Soft redirects should not be used to keep a "presence" on Wikipedia for non-notable subjects. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to F-Zero#Gameplay where all the relevant content we have on Wikipedia is located. That article has an external link to Wikia. Thryduulf (talk) 19:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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List of F-Zero characters (Q–Z)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to List of F-Zero characters. Ruslik_Zero 15:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Transwikied content which wasn't appropriate on Wikipedia. Soft redirects should not be used to keep a "presence" on Wikipedia for non-notable subjects. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Interactions concerning social groups of people in Canada and the US[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_Zero 15:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dead soft redirect. Transwiki was rejected. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - may qualify for a G8 speedy deletion? Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Advance Wars COs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Advance Wars#Commanding officers. Ruslik_Zero 15:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Transwikied content which wasn't appropriate on Wikipedia. Soft redirects should not be used to keep a "presence" on Wikipedia for non-notable subjects. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Starbucks City Mug[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_Zero 19:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Transwikied content which wasn't appropriate on Wikipedia. Soft redirects should not be used to keep a "presence" on Wikipedia for non-notable subjects. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I would recommend retargetting if collectable mugs were mentioned (even just a sentence that they exist) in the main Starbucks article, but they aren't and so it's obviously deemed not notable enough even for that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Leonardo Melis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 05:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:53, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete this and all the other soft-redirects to non-English Wikipedias below per WP:Soft redirect and nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Espace Diamant[edit]

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The result of the discussion was converted to an article. Thryduulf (talk) 23:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for several reasons, a couple of which I'll list below:
    • First of all, I created this redirect because redirects are cheap. To quote the above: "Redirects take up minimal system resources, so it does not really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around." To quote the project page: "deleting a redirect actually adds very slightly to the size of the database (since deleted pages are not really purged from the database, just hidden from public view). Unless a redirect is actively misleading or gets in the way of a pagemove, there is little point in deleting it."
    • I recently added the wikipedia translation template and a link to the French Wikipedia page under "Languages" on the left. If the community really feels that the French page for Espace Diamant is a viable target for creating an article in the English Wikipedia, I am an experienced English/French translator and would gladly contribute to the community's work on the translation. -- Tucoxn (talk) 12:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you think that Wikipedia should have an article but don't have the time/abiliy to translate one that exists in another Wikipedia, the correct course of action is to follow the advice at Wikipedia:Translation, namely either create a stub and tag it with the translation template or place a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles with an interwiki link to the foreign language Wikipedia. Blue links make it appear that we have an article when we don't, misleading readers and making it less likely that an article will be created. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Why don't you just stubbify it, instead of keeping an external link redirect? Surely Google Translate or Bing Translate can provide you with enough to write an introduction and stuff a stub template and translation request template on it. This isn't a real redirect, since it doesn't redirect to something on en.wiki that covers the topic, it points to an external link, which isn't in English, so this redirect is not cheap. It requires people using it to understand French. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • This sounds like a good idea. I'll go with it and see what happens.Tucoxn (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • I started the process of turning the redirect into a stub. Let's close this discussion and take off the redirect-for-discussion tag on the Espace Diamant page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucoxn (talk • contribs) 00:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Nothing against a translated article being created here, but just simply a redirect to a foreign language article is not really useful to English speakers. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Luiz Franco Thomaz[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Lycée Saint-Louis-de-Gonzague[edit]

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The result of the discussion was converted to an article so no longer within the purview of RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I have since started a standalone English article at that page. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Mümin Gençoğlu[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Georges Thomann[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Zrzeszenie Prawników Polskich[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Spezial:Beobachtungsliste[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_Zero 15:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fake namespace which uses the German title of special:watchlist. Plenty of "me too, useful" comments at the last RfD, but not a single actual use case (in 2009 it was actually linked to from a utility page, but that was three years ago and said page has long since been fixed). The argument that it's "useful" could be used to justify including German-language redirects for every single part of [[Special:]], not to mention [[Wikipedia:]], [[Talk:]] or any other part of infrastructure. We plainly survive with none of those. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Well, I use the URL, mainly by manual editing it in my browser. And I am still at a loss why it hurts. --Windharp (talk) 17:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Please keep, this is used by many people and it is difficult to understand why the redirect is a problem --Regression Tester (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's sitting in contentspace, not Special namespace or WP namespace; Tens of various languages used on various versions of Wikipedia, which would mean thousands of redirects like this to every SPECIAL:-space page, all sitting in contentspace, none of which are in English. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 11:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This redirect exists since 2008. It has not spawned "thousands" more in those 4 years. But of course it certainly will in the future... --Berntie (talk) 09:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And how can you tell? Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:Watchlist does not work. And I certainly don't know "special" or "watchlist" in every language on Earth, or the other special pages. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, the idea that someone has to prove that those redirects do not exist is silly. If you claim that they are floating around somewhere out there just provide the links. --Berntie (talk) 10:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm one of those who use this regularly and I can't see how it hurts. But whatever: Do as you wish. --Berntie (talk) 09:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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AEFML[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_Zero 19:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Ideally this would be a redirect to the English language article about the Association of Students of the Faculty of Medicine of Lisbon, but we don't have one. The closest we come is University of Lisbon#Faculty of Medicine, and I wouldn't object retargetting it there if the section is expanded slightly to mention the association. If the Google translation of the Portuguese Wikipedia article[2] is correct, it would seem sufficiently notable. If nothing is added then deletion is better than an unexplained target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom ; external link redirect to a non-English page, so isn't providing English content. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Os Incríveis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-language soft redirect. Unhelpful to English readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:22, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:REDLINK, if it has an article on another language wikipedia, then it is a viable target for creating one here. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Lottie[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Merging with Lotte can be discussed on relevant talk or project pages if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from being an asteroid, Lottie is also a nickname for Charlotte, so I would recommend turning the page into a disambiguation page between 3489 Lottie and Charlotte (given name). It Is Me Here t / c 10:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Get out of here[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. It Is Me Here t / c 23:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No reason why this very common phrase should redirect to this particular article. Furthermore the phrase doesn't appear anywhere in the article. Ϫ 03:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete or Soft redirect to Wiktionary. The explanation for this is apparently a meme, but that is "Get out of here Stalker"[3], which might have some justification as a redirect (debateable given the lack of mention in the article) but not this incomplete version that's a very common phrase (there are at least half a dozen songs with it as part of their title for example). The Wiktionary page wikt:get out of here does exist, but I'm honestly not sure whether a soft redirect there or deletion is preferable. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • This phrase is a common part of the English language. Appropriating it for some obscure meme is not a good idea, and nor should we redirect every single turn of phrase to Wiktionary. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it's a common English language phrase -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 05:38, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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