Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 November 3

November 3

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 3, 2008

Dumbya → List of United States Presidential names

The result of the debate was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 23:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archiac redirect used in violation of BLP to an article on presidential nicknames. This particular word does not appear in that article and no sources exist for its use. Used solely to defame George Bush. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 06:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, this was last discussed in 2004 here. That discussion ended in "delete". I can't find a decision to overturn that result. Is there a reason that WP:CSD#G4 would not apply? Rossami (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to be a recreation from 2005. It doesn't defame the President, just attack him. Because of its age, it doesn't venture into speedy delete territory, but I see no reason to overturn the original delete consensus from the previous VfD. 147.70.242.40, temporarily at 147.70.242.41 (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The original VFD seems to be about an article on this term, so it isn't relevant. There also appears to be an RFD in the history that retargeted to List of U.S. Presidential nicknames, which now points to List of United States Presidential names (see the talk page of Dumbya for the RFD discussion). That said, I'm gonna say Keep, though refine the tag to point at List_of_United_States_Presidential_names#George_W._(Walker)_Bush. Redirects don't have to be NPOV, and it's a plausible typo in my eyes. --UsaSatsui (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Seriously? You don't have a problem maintaining an unsourced, inflammatory and insulting redirect that points to an article where the term is not discussed? You really want to refine the redirect to actually be more specific about who its referring to? Did you know we that actually have a policy on biographies of living persons and that this kind of stuff is expressly prohibited? Cumulus Clouds (talk) 07:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Did you know that we're not talking about a biography, but a redirect, and that the criteria for deletion of redirects are different? Did you know that I also consider it to be valid typo for "Dubya", and that's a good part of my rationale? Personal attack redacted --UsaSatsui (talk) 08:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Personal attack redacted Cumulus Clouds (talk)
- I would agree. It should also be noted that listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log it mentions that the First RFD was from November 2003 meaning if what was deleted was a redirect the VFD from 2004 would have been a speddy close as a wrong venue. In short, it was almost certainaly an article not a redirect. Also, since the VFD in question does not mention anything about making a redirect it appears that the VFD consensus does not apply here and this should be debated on it own merits. --70.24.177.45 (talk) 01:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Clarification. The full text at time of deletion in 2004 (and in every substantive prior version) was "Dumbya is a distorted form of saying Dubya and Dumbo at once. It is being used as a nickname to refer to George W. Bush's perceivedly substandard mental capabilities." Given the actual comments made during the deletion discussion, where the option to redirect was explicitly proposed but not accepted, I'm inclined to interpret that discussion as a decision against even the redirect. But you're probably right that it's different enough for G4 to not apply. Please update my opinion to delete as a non-notable pejorative with the "non-notable" part being more important than the "pejorative" part in this case. This word turns up a mere 88k google hits, many of which are irrelevant and most of the rest duplicative. We do set a low bar for redirects but this seems excessive. Similarly non-notable pejoratives of other politicians have generally been deleted here. Rossami (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]