Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/SimonWeller

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: redirect to Draft:Simon Weller. --BDD (talk) 15:34, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/SimonWeller[edit]

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft from March 2013 that was later created (and deleted per G13) at Draft:Simon Weller. The draft version has actual sources so if someone thinks it's worth working on, it's better to restore the draftspace version than keeping this one. Ricky81682 (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Plausibly notable person, but far from definitely so. Could be more promotion than notability, but it takes serious effort to be sure. If the draft was better, it was definitely a draft with potential, far better than the overwhelming cruft that motivated G13. It is probably time with wind back non-discriminationing G13 deletions. Prefer to move to draftspace, and remove any AfC tags that enable G13 deletion. Or if the deleted version is better, undelete it, remove the AfC template, and redirect this page to it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- SmokeyJoe As noted, the draft version has actual sources so if this is plausibly notable, I'd suggest we delete this version and restore the draft version for further work. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think this is an example of compounding problems due to excessive deletionism. Undelete the deleted version, and merge the two together. As the to merge and content issues, XfD is not cleanup. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well that draft was an AFC draft deleted due to G13. The alternative view is that this should be deleted to follow the G13 deletion but we can restore the draft version for further work without a need to restore this version since there's nothing sourced here needed for merger. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I supported the creation of G13, because AfC had produced such massive amounts of cruft. It was understood that some gems would be deleted with the dust. Here we have found a rough gem. Recreations of the G13-deleted draft immediately suggests that the topic is not typical dust. Examination reveals plausible notability. I think in these cases, the page should be undeleted. Undecided on whether it should be blanked with an explanatory note, but next time someone comes along interested in drafting on this subject, they should be able to immediately find past efforts. Suggesting that they decipher Wikipedia culture and go to WP:REFUND to request access in several hours is not a good thing. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        SmokeyJoe Draft:Simon Weller has been restored per your request. There is no need for us to waste formality on this. Either a redirect or deletion with this now? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        Even though I think Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/SimonWeller is inferior and redundant to Draft:Simon Weller, I think redirect as a courtesy to Dalutgens (talk · contribs). Userfy first, without redirect, if you wish. Draft:Simon Weller is quite good, my initial impression is that with a little toning down of a bit of promotional language and excessive external links, it could go to mainspace. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.