Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Fascist

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete . ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Fascist[edit]

Do I need to explain why this is unacceptable? ―Susmuffin ^Talk 17:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - the content isn't the most appropriate for wikipedia, but the userbox has ~20 transclusions on user pages, suggestion that the author is not alone --DannyS712 (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Censorship is a slippery slope, and Wikipedia isn't censored regardless. And yes, I know, this isn't a "muh freeze peach" argument. This template, while divisive, is no more divisive than other political userboxes, i.e. "Stalinist", an ideology "better" than Nazism but "worse" than Italian Fascism/Falangism in my opinion. It's obviously a template made in good faith, as opposed to vandalism/trolling. Also note that a Nazi userbox is rightfully deletable, but this userbox is obviously not Nazi or in favor of genocide, but in favor of Italian/Classical Fascism, a different ideology. PrussianOwl (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with fire - per WP:NOPLATFORMing nazis and WP:UBCR "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or divisive". People who choose to display racist imagery undermines the safety of our community no matter whether they meant to commit genocide or mere trolling. Seriously, all these fascist userboxes need to go. We should not be facilitating and making displaying fashy propaganda easier. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 05:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the only use for such boxes is to help identify users that should be blocked. WP:NONAZIS Legacypac (talk) 06:43, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question - User:Susmuffin, User:Legacypac - And how is this userbox different from this editor's multiple other user boxes, such as Stalinist? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Facism is very closely tied to Nazis. Facism [1] and Neo-fascism is defined as supporting racial supremacy and often violent oppression of racial minorities. Posting you are a facist is saying you are a racist who believes in killing/hurting or at least oppressing people who are of a different race. Legacypac (talk) 16:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Fascist wants to oppress and kill minorities. Also, the Stalinist userbox should be deleted. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 16:13, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - First, User:Legacypac, I am aware that Nazism is German fascism. (Referring to German fascism on the Usenet was sometimes done as a way to avoid being told that one had invoked Godwin's Law.) Second, I was only asking why fascism was worse than, for instance, Stalinism. Wilhelm Reich was crazy, but had the common sense to refer to Stalin as a Red Fascist. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I believe that Stalin and Hitler are still divided by a thousand miles in Hell fighting World War Two, but that is only an eccentric Christian eschatalogical idea. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we even debating this? This user only made a few edits in 2006 and 2007 all in userspace [2] and people were pushing back on his userbox creations back then according to his talkpage. He even made a Nazi userbox deleted here [3]. This is U5 material. Legacypac (talk) 16:08, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed that someone would contest the speedy deletion. There are plenty of people here who have fallen victim to the paradox of tolerance. I would also expect a speedy deletion proposal to be rejected by a passing bad faith actor. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 16:29, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per some of these arguments. ——SerialNumber54129 17:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:POLEMIC "Very divisive or offensive material not related to encyclopedia editing", which isn't allowed in userspace. Facism is associated in most people's minds with regimes which committed appalling crimes and were responsible for millions of deaths, so identifying as a facist clearly falls under this. There is no right to freedom of speech in userspace, users are only allowed a bit of leeway on topics which do not relate to building the encyclopedia. Hut 8.5 19:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, there are userboxes of "Socialist", "Communist", "Liberal", "Conservative". Fascism may be an undesirable political affinity for many, but that is no reason to exclude that from the list (communism is equally horrible). Tisquesusa (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: people openly calling themselves a fascist on their userpage is useful as it rings alarm bells for people viewing the page who've come from a discussion with the person. There needs to be a line drawn when someone is specifically inciting violence or posting hate speech but the threshold needs to be quite clear-cut to prevent our own political biases affecting the outcome. I don't believe this crosses the threshold. — Bilorv (he/him) _(talk) 01:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a textbook example of material that is likely to bring the project into disrepute, or which is likely to give widespread offense. Titoxd^(?!?) 21:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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