Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. WP:G7 WP:IAR. No point having an argument about this. I can't find an explicit reference at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive951#In_doubt but I believe I intended to remove them upon the first objection. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump[edit]
WP:G10, attack page on living subject that goes beyond reasonable criticism into deliberately inflammatory insult territory (not to mention Godwin's law), and generally poor form from an admin. Dronebogus (talk) 01:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I don’t think G10 was intended to prevent people from declaring their political beliefs on their user page. Especially given current events I think we should err on the side of allowing editors to criticize powerful government leaders (past or present) on their user pages. 28bytes (talk) 04:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I come to this as someone who was born and spent a lot of time in the United Kingdom and now in my 80s I have spent a lot of time is Australia, so I ask myself what would happen if we had user boxes criticising politicians from many nations. This box is going too far. --Bduke (talk) 07:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. If we are going to continue to permit political userboxes (I'd rather we didn't), the expression of a strong personal opinion should be permitted. The verb used, "detests", refers to the user's opinion; the specific allegations are supported by links, although one is an interpretation, the other links to an opinion article. For absolute clarity, I would prefer the wording "This user detests Donald Trump, who he considers a neo-Nazi sympathizer who cares more about golf than human lives". I also expect Ritchie333 to refrain from editing articles about the person in question; but I expect that of any editor who has such a strong opinion on a topic, positive or negative, admin or not. We do not forbid editors from holding strong opinions; we require editors to avoid topics on which they have such strong preferences that they cannot be neutral, and I regard this userbox as amounting to declaring such an insurmountable conflict. My overall preference would be to ban all political userboxes, whether positive or negative, in support of our mission of writing a neutral encyclopedia and of community harmony; I prefer not to know what my colleagues think on political and social issues, what party they support, what politicians they like or dislike. But that isn't where we are, and this userbox stops short of saying "Donald Trump is a X who Y." Barely. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As per Yngvadottir. Although nice balance alongside the Johnson box (even if Trump makes our glorious leader look like Einstein by comparison). Again the descriptors seem to be piped to WP:RS sources (for which there are probably many more). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NOTCENSORED and ha ha only serious. As Yngvadottir infers correctly, the primary purpose of the user box (for the purposes of writing and improving the encyclopedia) is that you should not ask me to edit or take any administrative actions on any articles relating to Donald Trump, broadly construed, as I have a self-declared bias against him and must recuse from doing so for the purposes of a neutral encyclopedia. I will also say the box is far less inflammatory than some of the things on User:EEng, which I believe a previous discussion reached consensus that they could stay. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:58, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Addition - I'm not going to do it in order to avoid the appearance of canvassing, but somebody may wish to inform those who have transcluded the box on their user page of this discussion. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:06, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- User:EEng’s page makes my page look sane and well-organized. Dronebogus (talk) 12:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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