Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jim-Siduri

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. TLSuda (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jim-Siduri

User page which is masquerading as a project page, against the guideline found at Wikipedia:User pages#User_pages_that_look_like_project_pages. The user is clearly not here to build the encyclopedia. Rather, he is trying to start a project based around one obscure bit of text taken from Gilgamesh. It looks like an effort to start a new religion, with Jim-Siduri as the leader. Binksternet (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if I have broken that Wiki-regulation. How can I fix this? Could I submit the "Twilight zone" concept at the village pump and see if there is consensus for this open-source conceptual experiment to exist? If there is no consensus for the "Twilight zone" as a concept for trying to develop new solutions to Wikipedia's problems then I will of course accept this.

I would politely ask that you please don't delete my user-page, I can modify it and stay within any rules needed. I know I can get a little flowery with my writing, but I really am passionate about BOTH Siduri's advice AND fixing Wikipedia. Please judge me based on my actions. Everything I have done is to try and improve and protect Wikipedia, however misguided/misinformed/inexperienced my efforts may have been. I want to build the Wikipedia I dream about, full of images and sound and video. Please help me.

Regarding the "Wiki-religion" concept, I understand why you feel that way, but I assure you that while I completely agree with you that I am very passionate about that particular piece of text and I fully admit that it inspired me to try and improve and protect Wikipedia, starting with that page, my philosophies, beliefs and passions should be independent of this discussion. This is about helping Wikipedia. If I fail to help Wikipedia then I will of course accept this, but I would really appreciate at least one chance to try. You may disagree with 90% of what I'm saying, but if only 10% of my suggestions for helping improve and protect Wikipedia get implemented (with consensus approval), then we have still helped make a better encyclopedia.

I would politely request the chance to at least finish this experiment and/or propose the "Twilight zone" as a Wikipedia project, prior to being deleted?

I assure you that my goal here is to try and look for novel ways to discuss and solve Wikipedia's many problems in an open minded way. I understand that my approach is very unconventional. I understand that my approach may not work.

I am the least experienced to lead anything on Wikipedia, which I why I want to hand this project over to more experienced editors and admins, such as you. You can lead this effort if you want to improve and protect Wikipedia. I would like to help you, but this is not necessary. It is not about me.

I know you want to delete/block/ban me, the "Siduri Project" and the "Twilight Zone" concept, but I would ask that before you do, please pause and ask yourself if this really is in Wikipedia's best interests?

Best, JimJim-Siduri (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm not entirely sure about the 'new religion' bit, and neither am I sure that 'not here to build the encyclopedia' strictly applies - Jim-Siduri seems to think that he's making a positive contribution. The simple facts are however that Jim-Siduri is using the page to promote some entirely off-the-wall ideas regarding the future of Wikipedia, and doing so in an entirely misleading way. He has repeatedly claimed to have others involved in this 'project', but there is little evidence that significant input is coming from elsewhere. The 'project' is in any case a dogs breakfast of different largely-disconnected ideas, most lacking anything more meaningful than vacuous platitudes - and where he has come up with anything concrete e.g. in regard to allowing multimedia under 'non-commercial use' licensing, he quite evidently hasn't done even the minimum of research into the existing position on this taken by the WMF, nor the legal consequences of any change - and he shows not the slightest inclination to do so. If there are any useful individual concrete proposals to come out of this, they need to be properly researched and then individually proposed in the appropriate place, by Jim-Siduri as an individual (though I would have to suggest that until he shows evidence that he is capable of adding useful content to Wikipedia, and of learning how the existing system works, he is unlikely to have any such proposals taken seriously). This sham 'project' is in no way representative of Wikipedia, and it is an abuse of the Wikipedia facilities provided to Jim-Siduri for a user page to be misrepresented in this way. If Jim-Sidui wishes to be a Wikipedia contributor, the option is open to him (for now - our patience may not be unlimited), but he will have to do so as an individual, rather than dressing himself up as some imaginary 'project' that has no basis in reality. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's hard to interpret this page, but it does not satisfy WP:UP. It appears to be a manifesto, but it's not written in a style that I can follow. At any rate, Wikipedia is not the right website for such projects. Johnuniq (talk) 11:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is difficult to categorize this project. It's not an article. it's not quite social networking, it's not quite simple web hosting, and it seems to be a good faith attempt to improve Wikipedia (albeit in a manner that has no chance of success). What I will say is that it does not belong in Wikipedia user space. I guess the closest I can come to quoting a policy this page violates would be WP:UPNOT "Extensive writings and material on topics having virtually no chance whatsoever of being directly useful to the project, its community, or an encyclopedia article." and "Userspace is also not a substitute for project space." I'm also concerned about the attempt to circumvent the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License. All Wikipedia edits, including those to userspace are subject to this license. User:Jim-Siduri cannot revoke this, but I don't know that this in itself is sufficient to warrant page deletion. Meters (talk) 21:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Confusing article, doesn't seem neutral and encyclopedic. Seems like Original research and beliefs. Definitely not something related to this project. ///EuroCarGT 02:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Please note I've deleted the "Twilight Zone". My sincere apologies for proposing this in the wrong location. I'm starting to realize that Wikipedia is not the correct place for radical conceptual experimentation, and this inappropriate approach and the backlash against it, has proven a significant distraction from my larger goals of trying to improve and protect Wikipedia, so I also vote to delete it. Delete the entire page if you must, but I don't think any of the rest is technically, I could be wrong, breaking any specific Wiki-regulations, and if I'm wrong please let me know which Wiki-regulations I'm violating so that I can try to fix them. Best, Jim Jim-Siduri (talk) 20:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Various editors have already pointed out the areas of concern both here and on your talk page. Read the links. Meters (talk) 22:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as an obvious misuse of a user page as a pseudo-policy page. See also his attempted end-run around the likely result of this MFD at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention#Preliminary pre-concept initial draft pre-village pump submission proposal: Siduri Project, v1.2. Mogism (talk) 21:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It looks as if this MfD is heading for a 'delete' so I will not place a formal !vote here. That said, I have also left an explanation on Jim-Siduri's talk page as to why I believe his proposal(s) will ultimately fail. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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