Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/review/Abdul Haq (Northern Alliance translator)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. -- Cirt (talk) 11:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/review/Abdul Haq (Northern Alliance translator)[edit]

I had prodded this page in the main namespace, but it was moved to the user namespace with the reason "As the sole author of intellectual content I am authorized to move this article back to User space." Sadly, this had nothing to do with the reasons the page was nominated, and which equally apply in user space as they do in the main namespace: "Fails WP:N and WP:BLP1E. Someone without any information about him, who is named in one document about one incident." This is a WP:BLP about an utterly non notable person, with as sole source the transcript of a hearing of a Guantanamo detainee. This is obviously not a reliable source, just one persons's statements, and even if true wouldn't amount to anything resembling notability. Furthermore, it makes the claims that the subject was a translator for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, and also "Ruhani attributed his capture to something Haq had said". We have no indication whether Haq lives in Afghanistan or not, but I don't think that such information about non notable persons, solely on the say-so of a detainee, should be kept anywhere on Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Notability is not a requirement in userspace, and I would give much more leeway in userspace as a result. Especially to any editor with over 60K edits. Collect (talk) 10:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • But WP:BLP and WP:BLP1E are valid everywhere.Fram (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • The page is protected by __NOINDEX__. If, for the sake of argument, this page contained negative material, no one is going to end up there, by accident, through a web search. There are no links to this page, from article space. So no one is going to end up there by accident, by following a wikilink from article space.
      • I do not agree that this contains negative material about Abdul Haq.
      • Nominator seems to be implying that the translator can be identified by the information on this page. If this is what our nominator meant to imply I think they have seriously underestimated the sparseness of the name-space for personal names in Afghanistan. After centuries of international commerce, conquest, colonization and immigration the name-space for personal names in the English speaking parts of the world is extremely rich, with both surnames and given names from around the world, as well as hybrid names, inspired by names from around the world. The exceptional cases, the boundary conditions, like "John Smith" comes closest to the normal state of affairs for extremely common names like Abdul Haq. Geo Swan (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, unless more information is provided by the page's creator. The nominator is correct that the subject of the page falls so far below any notability requirements that there is no realistic possibility that this page could ever be developed into an article suitable for mainspace. If the page's creator intends to incorporate the page's content into some article he is working on, the page may be kept for a limited amount of time. Nsk92 (talk) 11:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • You assert that pages that might become worthy of restoration to article space, or pages that contain elements that are going to be incorporated into another article, can be kept, "for a limited amount of time."
    • I have renewed WP:User pages and I can't find any passage there that supports this assertion. My understanding of the policy on User pages is that pages that are useful towards our efforts towards building an encyclopedia are specifically allowed. And I have lots of pages of scaffolding that will never become articles, that nevertheless have proven extremely useful towards my efforts. According to your interpretation pages like User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/inprocess dates are not allowed -- even though I have consulted that page of notes hundreds of times. Geo Swan (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • User space must not be used as a way to avoid our normal deletion processes. If something in userspace is basically an encyclopedia article that wouldn't make it in the main space, then that avoidance of normal deletion processes must be limited. If we didn't have this rule, then our deletion processes would be ineffective and pointless, as userspace quickly became our local "deletionpedia" Gigs (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree with Fram. We shouldn't have a negative biography of a probably non-notable person who has only been implicated by a single piece of testimony anywhere on Wikipedia. The user, as the creator of the work, is free to host it on their own web site, but that is the extent of their intellectual property rights here. We are not obligated to host a copy of anything. Gigs (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete agree with Fram and Gigs. In addition the user can easily host it on a blog, website or his/her home computer. IQinn (talk) 23:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I just came across another user space page of this user: User:Geo_Swan/review/Yusef_Abdel_Majeed. What is a negative biography that was a clear delete at Afd [1]/ following up on Gigs comment. I suggest to delete this page as well and i fully agree with Gigs that user space should not be our local "deletionpedia". This user is keeping tons of article that have been deleted previously or articles that are biased copies of existing biographies. IQinn (talk) 05:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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