Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Finister2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was keep. The author has himself userfied the main volume of the content to sub-pages. JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Finister2[edit]

This user is putting huge long tables of drivel onto his userpage (and spending a lot of time doing it!), which isn't really permitted per WP:NOTMYSPACE. I asked him what it was in aid of, and he responded "Fun," so I think it could do with deletion. ╟─Treasury Tag►cabinet─╢ 19:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Responce: I have deleted most of my work. The question here is is; HAPPY NOW. I'd like to point out the judges of this debate that i have Asperger syndrome. No lies, i'm not one of those bastards that pretends for special treatment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finister2 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not entirely clear how your condition affects this; also please note that this is not a debate and there are no judges. You have deleted a tiny proportion of your userpage, and for myself, I am not "happy now." ╟─Treasury Tag►directorate─╢ 19:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I cannot see that this is harmful, although it is not a normal use of a user page. Are there any elements of truth in the tables, or are they some kind or fiction/OR? I would suggest that it was moved to a subpage, if it actually has a use for the user. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, it's just fiction/fantasy/drivel, and it's very, very long, and being kept simply for "fun" – that is not what Wikipedia is for! ╟─Treasury Tag►Not-content─╢ 10:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Move to user subpage Editor is contributing to main articles, so I want to cut some slack. That said, it isn't what one normally expects on the main user page - wouldn't it be better if we made it a subpage, which is the normal location for this type of material?--SPhilbrick T 15:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, he has performed almost exactly the same number of edits on his userpage as on mainspace, and his mainspace editing has earned him a block already. Wikipedia isn't a web-host, the material is extensive, time-consuming and not related to articles. He's not contributing all that much, so why are we letting it remain up? ╟─Treasury Tag►stannary parliament─╢ 15:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not following the size argument. When I click edit, I don't see a size, which means it is under 30k. That's tiny. Unless I missed something. As for activity, I may impose a lower hurdle than you - anyone with a couple dozen article edits qualifies, so a couple hundred is well over my hurdle. In fact, 253 edits to article space puts this editor in the top 2% of all editors. What's the harm if this page is in a user sub page?--SPhilbrick T 15:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're not following the size argument—look at your own userpage. It takes up about two screen-fuls of space, and is exclusively focussed on your editing activities. Finister's userpage takes up (on my count) ten screen-fuls, has taken effort and resources, and is simply there for his own "fun."

I would also point out that Willy-on-Wheels doubtless had over 253 edits to article-space, that is why the done thing is to look and see whether they were constructive or not. Since Finister has been blocked for them, it looks like they were not. ╟─Treasury Tag►Lord Speaker─╢ 15:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We are in agreement that the material on the main user page is not consistent with the purpose of the main user page. For that reason I propose moving it. I accept that even user subpages are supposed to relate to the project in some way, and if these do, I don't see it. In other cases, where an "editor" has virtually no edits to main space, I'm happy cutting off a clear attempt to use this as a web hosting site. When an editor has some contributions, I prefer to cut some slack on the user subpage activity. I didn't track down the edits leading to the block, but I did check some, and they looked like legitimate addition to the encyclopaedia. I don't buy the space argument. If you took out every scrap of text in every user page in existence, you would reduce the size requirements by less than 1% (IIRC, the size of all text - article space user space and project space is less than 1 %, the bulk of the space requirements are for images, audio and video.)--SPhilbrick T 16:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to subpage. I agree with many of the Keep arguments above. I do not believe WP:NOTMYSPACE applies here in the same way it would if he was running a blog or personal storage. It is true he said it was for "fun" but he didn't say "only for fun" and I'm not convinced that is his complete answer - that is the answer he gave when he thought that TreasuryTag was asking "out of interest" in his page rather than about to nominate for deletion. I can also think of reasons why someone would want to have that drivel on a page. I think it would be a net-negative for the project to have him (and his 120 unique article edits) leave because of a harmless chart taking up very few KBs (no pictures) containing blue-linked names of Wikipedia articles. He doesn't even have userboxes like most of us. EdEColbert^{Let me know} 19:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdEColbert (talk • contribs) [reply]
Keep No violation of userspace policies here. And saying that WP should not be "fun" is an interesting comment, indeed. Collect (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Who said that and where? ╟─Treasury Tag►Captain-Regent─╢ 12:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- From your initial post I asked him what it was in aid of, and he responded "Fun," so I think it could do with deletion. The fact the editor said "Fun" is not grounds for deleting anything. Collect (talk) 16:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So to clarify, you said, "saying that WP should not be 'fun' is an interesting comment," though nobody actually made such a comment? ╟─Treasury Tag►Tellers' wands─╢ 20:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- - - - The implication I saw was that the person saying "fun" was the rationale for deletion. I take it you aver that such is not the case, for which I am glad. Collect (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, it's no big deal. Tisane (talk) 03:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Finister2 - I like the idea of seperation, but I don't know how to do that. If someone could tell this poor 16 year-old-Autistic-boy how too, then I'll gladly do it and put this houl matter behind us. —Preceding undated comment added 19:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC).

Delete. Placing dozens of real living people in fictious settings, imo, clearly violated BLP. East of Borschov (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Finister2 - I have taken the advice of seperation, I hope this will bring this conflict of Users to an end. —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 19 May 2010 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.