Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Liechtenstein

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Liechtenstein[edit]

Micro-portal on the micro-state of Liechtenstein. Abandoned since 2008/10, and the WikiProject is defunct.

Created[1] in June 2008‎ by Extransit (talk · contribs), a former admin who last edited in 2016. Extransit's last edit to any of the pages in this portal was in 2012 (see Extransit's portalspace contribs).

By May 2018‎ the portal was still just a shell, so @The Transhumanist (TTH) tagged it[2] for speedy deletion per WP:P2. That speedy was correctly declined, because P2 is only for "a topic for which there is only a stub header article or fewer than three non-stub articles detailing subject matter that would be appropriate to present under the title of that portal". There are way more than three non-stub articles on Liechtenstein, though you might doubt that from looking at Portal:Liechtenstein.

In September 2018‎‎, TTH converted[3] the portal to an fully-automated format which drew its "selected articles" list solely from the navbox {{Liechtenstein topics}}. That made it just a bloated, redundant fork of the navbox. (For a full explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).

So today I reverted[4] to the newest non-automated version.

Unfortunately, that's just a brief excerpt of the lead of the head article, a map, and redlinked anniversary. Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Liechtenstein.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Liechtenstein shows what happened here. Extransit set out to create a page for every day of the year, each containing a Liechtenstein-related anniversary. An ambitious plan, and as happens to all of, it turned out to be too ambitious. Only 19 of these day-pages exist, all created by Extransit in 2008–10, and all abandoned since; see also the list at Portal:Liechtenstein/dates. I have left a copy of the list at WP:WikiProject Liechtenstein/Dates; the WikiProject is defunct, but the list may be of some use to someone some day.

There is nothing here to keep. Any editor who sets out to build a real portal, which actually adds value for readers, would be daft to try to revive the anniversary project. And there is nothing else worth keeping; even the shell of the portal is way out of date. A revival would do best to start afresh.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The portal has 7 daily pageviews. The head article (to which the portal doesn't link) has 4,606 daily pageviews. BHG writes: 'There is nothing to keep.' There is nothing to keep. No need for silver bullets. There already was an attempt to kill this portal with a 92.5% silver bullet, by TTH, who just didn't shoot straight, which wastes silver. A spear should do. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: here's the choice:

Abandoned non-automated portal.
Automated redundant fork.
Delete without prejudice to recreation if a portal creator is willing to actively curate and maintain a well-crafted portal.

Obviously, I'm going for 3. SITH (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.