Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bermuda

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:32, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Bermuda[edit]

Delete British Overseas Territory with 71 thousand people does not meet the breadth-of-subject-area requirement of the WP:POG guideline. WikiProject has been courtesy talkpage notified. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the nom. This portal has been abandoned for nearly 12 years, save one longer picture description added in 2008 and one small biography update in 2011. Since 2006, the lead of WP:POG has said "Do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create" ... and this one has not been maintained by RedCoat10, who last updated it in January 2008. It also has only nine articles, which is less than half the POG minimum of 20.

It clearly fails WP:POG's requirement that portals should be about subjects broad enough to attract large numbers of readers and maintainers. This decrepit portal has had a decade of no maintainers and it had a very low 11 views per day from January 1 to June 30 2019 (while the head article Bermuda had 3,537 views per day in the same period). Portals stand or fall on their merits in the now, not what could someday hypothetically happen with them, and this one falls flat. I oppose re-creation, as over a decade of hard evidence shows Bermuda is not a broad enough topic to attract readers or maintainers. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per ~~Mark~~ User:UnitedStatesian and NH12. Only nine articles, mostly unchanged since 2007 although a few drive-by edits. Low viewing. There is no short-term reason to expect that a re-creation of this portal will address the problems. Any proposed re-creation of this portal using a more modern design, and taking into account the failures of many portals, can go to Deletion Review. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~"per Mark S"? Wow, that hurts. :)~~ Thanks for correcting. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per all above: @UnitedStatesian, Newshunter12 and Robert McClenon. I also oppose re-creation. This is just far too narrow a topic.

WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". This portal clearly fails on all three counts:

N Broad topic. Clear fail. The experience of data examined at many dozens of MFDs on geographical portals is that regions or cities with population under a million rarely achieve high levels or readership or maintainers, and that several million is needed to get a decent chance of viability. This one is more than a whole order of magnitude too small.
N High readership. Clear fail. The portal's January–June 2019 daily average of only 11 views per day is trivially low.
N Lots of of maintainers. Clear fail. The minimal level of content (only 9 selected topics) has been abandoned for about a decade.

WP:POG guides that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest) to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal". But WikiProject Bermuda is dormant: since 2008, there has been precisely zero discussion (i.e. one editor replying to another) on WT:WikiProject Bermuda since 2008. So no help will be forthcoming from there.

So this one is a clear fail of 4 key test in POG. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks? I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:North America), without creating duplicate entries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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