Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Albert Joseph Kasongo Wa Kapinga

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Vitaium (talk) 07:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Albert Joseph Kasongo Wa Kapinga[edit]

The draft doesn't indicate the importance for this biography (see WP:SIGNIFICANCE for details). Vitaium (talk) 11:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Completely valid draft that is obviously unfinished. Article space notability requirements do not apply to content in the draft namespace, and it's not fair to judge someone's notability from an obviously unfinished page. The nominator needs a (another) warning for disruptive editing (and possibly a WP:CIR block) following the ridiculous speedy deletion tagging of this draft under 5 criteria which did not apply and this rather WP:BITEey deletion nomination of a new editor's first attempt at writing an article. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 12:50, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Vitaium is asking to provide services (I don't know, paid or unpaid) to build my Draft article in wikipedia and prevent my Draft article from vandalism. Is this a scam or coercion for a new user who is just starting the draft article. User:Vitaium recently deleted his message offering his service (paid or unpaid, I don't know). I am not sure if this is a scam, so no response. User:Vitaium move to quickly put my Draft article into speedy deletion. Craziness!! This is a two days old initial draft, still working on it. So what is the problem here. It seems to me someone is trying to scam me for money. Will not get any money from me! I am not getting paid and I will not pay to write a Draft article. Thank you! Bougnole (talk) 14:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for rejecting the ridiculous speedy deletion request. You should monitor User:Vitaium activity with other new wikipedia users. This individual might be harassing other new wikipedia users too!! Bougnole (talk) 14:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bougnole: If it's the messages on your talk page that you're concerned about then don't worry, they're just standard messages left to inform people that pages they contributed to have been nominated for deletion, you should never have received them because this page should never have been nominated for deletion in the first place but they're not asking you to pay for anything or to accept services. Based on the hundreds and hundreds of times I've seen this happen previously I can almost guarantee that Vitaium is a "younger editor" who's jumped into administrative areas of the encyclopedia despite not having a clue what they're doing and are likely to find themselves blocked if they don't stop with the ridiculous deletion nominations sharpish. I see an admin has now given a final warning to Vitaium and has told them they will be blocked if this continues, so hopefully that will be the end of it. I hope this hasn't upset you too much and that you decide to stay.

P.S. Have you had a read of Your first article and Referencing for beginners? They're quite helpful guides on writing your first page. If you need help there's a help desk for beginners at the Teahouse. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your response and I will read the references you provided. It helps me as a new users to stay. Thank you so much! Bougnole (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a very incomplete draft and is a proper use of draft space. How can a draft indicate the notability of its subject when it is incomplete, and how can an author develop a good draft for review if the incomplete draft gets tagged for deletion? The nominator should stop ragpicking. If they are editing in good faith, they should be aware that this sort of offering of questionable services to other editors is likely to be seen as corrupt. User:Bougnole is right that User:Vitaium should stop monitoring other editors, and may need to be monitored instead. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per 168.1.15.238 and Robert: the whole point of draftspace is to contain articles that aren't ready for mainspace, so nominating them here is, at best, unproductive. See WP:NMFD, WP:RAGPICKING, WP:BITE etc. My sincere apologies to Bougnole: this isn't how our deletion process is supposed to work. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.