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Image:Imagename:027 ERP gantry.jpg

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Image:Imagename:027 ERP gantry.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by VK35 (notify | contribs).
  • image is stolen. I took the photo. It belongs to me. I e-mailed the uploader and they agree with me that the image was "borrowed" from me. You can reach a consensus then if it is decided to delete, the deleting adminstrator can e-mail VK35 Heidianddick 22:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Sejm.PNG

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Image:Sejm.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lukkki (notify | contribs).

Kept. The image appears to be culled from the data contained in the article. If the article is unsourced, that's not our problem here. howcheng {chat} 16:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:LandoltC.gif

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Image:LandoltC.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dontaskme (notify | contribs).
Unused--OsamaK 08:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because you orphaned it after I noticed it was used :P -Nard 13:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup :D--OsamaK 21:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HHClogo.jpg

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Image:HHClogo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Thx2005 (notify | contribs).

Image:Cristie_kerr_trophy.jpg

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Image:Cristie_kerr_trophy.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Booksbasis (notify | contribs).
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Image:George-W-BushXX.JPG and Image:No bush.JPG

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Image:George-W-BushXX.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lancastria (notify | contribs).
  • UE Not Encyclopaedic. Violates WP:NOT. Image is a modified version of George Bush with an X in an apparent attempt to make a political statement. It does nothing to furthering the goals of Wikipedia and in fact works to polarize the community. Wikipedia:Userboxes#Content_restrictions restricts the use of this image in userboxes so it's claim for use in uerboxes is dubious. Also BLP issues may arise if this is precedent. Tbeatty 06:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See also #Image:No_Karl_Marx.JPG where further discussion is taking place ::KEEP - For use in userboxes, there are others of this type for example Image:No_Karl_Marx.JPG. If this image is deleted then the same should be done for the Karl Marx image. --Lancastria 14:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)banned editor[reply]

You're right, they should both be deleted. --Tbeatty 16:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou :-), in that case - support delete --Lancastria :::::Keep this and Karl Marx - Changed my mind. Seems that the community has no problem with opinions expressed in picture form.--Lancastria 14:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)banned editor[reply]

comment - What we do with one we should do with the other, as long as that happens I'm fine with it--Lancastria 17:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it's insulting to a living person in a way that's unnecessary, and does divide Wikipedia, especially on political (and possibly) nationalistic grounds. I am going to clarify that I am retaining my keep on Karl Marx, but I think the situation is different. Crossing out a picture of a living person is separate - crossing out a picture of Tony Blair is patently offensive, whereas crossing out a picture of, say Adam Smith, is not, because he is dead, and not really the leader of a nation. The Evil Spartan 17:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep No reason to delete. See the Karl Marx image discussion for my reasoning; I have seen no division of the community produced by this image and in the absence of that there's no basis for deletion. Rogue 9 02:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Serves no useful purpose to the goal of creating an encyclopedia, only used for soapboxing and is probably on the wrong side of the BLP-line. —Ruud 04:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Both, if possible to Include the Marx one here. Serves no purpose other than a soapboxing polemical, which is prohibited per WP:USER. Tarc 02:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both. They fall into the category of userboxes. Only a person who makes you put away your Buffy figures at work would want to have these deleted. Don't make personal calls, don't surf the Internet, don't play Snood and heaven above, don't' edit Wikipedia at work! --Knulclunk 03:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete for both. These and the "No Karl Marx" image all are clearly blatant violations of all the central WP policies. All fail WP:NOT. All three are inherent violations of WP:NPOV. All of them fail WP:Notability and WP:Reliable sources. All of them fail WP:NOR because they're original political statements not widely found in the public political discussion, and all of them fail WP:VER. WP is not a blog, it is not a content host, and it is not a forum for personal political POVs. ... Kenosis 13:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete it says "for use in userboxes". Any anti-Bush userbox is divisive and inflammatory and will therefore get speedied. Wikipedia is not a battleground. Melsaran 13:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The practice of taking an image and simply turning into a statement of "No [what's on the image]", it seems to me, ought be a very simple policy matter-- unless it can be shown that the image (with the "X" on it) already was notable as, say, part of an already established campaign of some kind. Perhaps an appropriate course w.r.t. this sort of increasingly common practice is to simply move such images over to the Wikimedia Commons. But they certainly don't belong on WP. ... Kenosis 14:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Then obviously we need to abolish userboxes, non-encyclopedic user pictures, and user pages as well. We should probably do away with the wiki-newsleter and such obviously unneeded icons as Image:Postscript-viewer.svg and Wikipedia:Barnstars --Knulclunk 14:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Responsive comment: Actually, it's not so "obvious", but rather, the above "reasoning" is a bit of hyperbole, a very substantial stretch of reason in support of a point. Less of a hyperbole, IMO, is a scenario wherein numerous images get turned into "No [pick your preferred peeve]", a pictoral POV. What is easily forseeable with today's ubiquitous photoshopping-at-home capabilities is a large prolliferation of such modified images that people can pass around like self-conferred POV barnstars. WP is entitled to set limits on the place and manner of free speech in userboxes and on talk pages, and it already has done so, as follows: People obviously are entitled to their POVs on talk pages and in userboxes, within the limits of what Wikipedia is and what Wikipedia is not, and within the limits of Wikipedia:Userboxes#Content_restrictions. Among other things, WP is not a free-content host, not a blog, , not a battleground, not a soapbox, and it is not a repository of links, images, or media files. ... Kenosis 17:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, judging from the redlink, you obviously win. Actually, I would never put any so opinionated on my user page. (like religious beliefs, political affiliations or sexual preferences)--Knulclunk 02:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, "I hear your pain", to quote another US national politician. This is, at least to me, not about "winning" over-against anybody else. And, I don't know how these images were deleted at the moment, but this discussion still appears open. And, the Image:No Karl Marx.jpg image still appears to be in place at the moment (discussion immediately below). So, as of the submission of this comment of mine, the discussion appears not to be officially concluded. As to my opinion, it's already been said w.r.t. both the Bush and Marx "X-images". ... Kenosis 04:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. We've already been through The Great Userbox Purge and these kinds of boxes have long been considered to be too inflammatory. howcheng {chat} 16:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:No Karl Marx.JPG

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Image:No Karl Marx.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rogue 9 (notify | contribs).

See also #Image:George-W-BushXX.JPG and Image:No bush.JPG where further discussion is taking place

:::::Keep this and George W Bush XX - Changed my mind. Seems that the community has no problem with opinions expressed in picture form. --Lancastria 14:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC) banned editor [reply]

  • Delete per reasons given in the "no Bush" section. Tarc 02:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete for both. This and the "No George Bush" image both are clearly blatant violations of all the central WP policies. Both fail WP:NOT. Both are inherent violations of WP:NPOV. Both of them fail WP:Notability and WP:Reliable sources. Both of them fail WP:NOR because they're original political statements not widely found in the public political discussion, and both of them fail WP:VER. WP is not a blog, it is not a content host, and it is not a forum for personal political POVs. ... Kenosis 13:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The practice of taking an image and simply turning into a statement of "No [what's on the image]", it seems to me, ought be a very simple policy matter-- unless it can be shown that the image (with the "X" on it) already was notable as, say, part of an already established campaign of some kind. Perhaps an appropriate course w.r.t. this sort of increasingly common practice is to simply move such images over to the Wikimedia Commons. But they certainly don't belong on WP. ... Kenosis 14:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete can't be used in anything but userboxes, and those userboxes are divisive and inflammatory. Melsaran 14:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment - it should be the user's choice what they have on their userpage. As long as it's not really really nasty it can be lived with. If you don't like my or anyone else's userpage - try to find consensus before editing said userpages. If there was any word the recurred when I went through Wikipedia policy, it was "consensus" --Lancastria 14:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per Kenosis and Melsaran. Lancastria, consensus is that userboxes such as this are divisive and inflammatory. Your MySpace page is for expressing yourself. Your Wikipedia page is for communicating with other volunteers on the project. A great deal of leeway is given for userpages, but the leeway is not infinite nor is it a license for content which could harm the project. KillerChihuahua?!? 09:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
reply comment - I didn't upload this one in fact I nominated it for deletion in line with an agreement between Tbeatty and myself that images consisting of politicians' faces with large Xs across them have no benefit to the project. However I withdrew this nomination after noting the wide use of this kind of images in userboxes. As long as both the GWB picture and the Marx picture are treated the same - i.e both deleted or both kept, I'll be happy. --Lancastria 13:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I have no agreement other than they both should be deleted (And all other similiar pictures). --Tbeatty 17:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I stated, that you agree that similar pics (people's faces with Xs) should be deleted. I then stated that I have changed my position on this and will watch the outcome with interest. --Lancastria 21:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Commons version showing through now. howcheng {chat} 16:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:DJ_Rossstar.jpg

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Image:DJ_Rossstar.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Djrossstar (notify | contribs).

Image:Guangliang-wiki-watermark.jpg

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Image:Guangliang-wiki-watermark.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cyphang73 (notify | contribs).

Image:GHUCHAPPA.jpg

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Image:GHUCHAPPA.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Raviamblee (notify | contribs).

Image:Bernard Fanning ARIA Awards 2006.jpg

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Image:Bernard Fanning ARIA Awards 2006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lincalinca (notify | contribs).

Image:Powderfinger.jpg

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Image:Powderfinger.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mdhowe (notify | contribs).

Image:CAQA9H7ECALZUQR2CAJH5DHKCA6K91OGCA414Q9HCA8B53KPCAZFIM0XCAU69IE8CAIPJ8TPCAC1L3P5CASRJBF7CAICQSPUCAH3NGFXCAJM3KMWCACC9QLWCAJ29D6KCATZYYRBCA26JAPVCAWZY9ZE.jpg

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Image:CAQA9H7ECALZUQR2CAJH5DHKCA6K91OGCA414Q9HCA8B53KPCAZFIM0XCAU69IE8CAIPJ8TPCAC1L3P5CASRJBF7CAICQSPUCAH3NGFXCAJM3KMWCACC9QLWCAJ29D6KCATZYYRBCA26JAPVCAWZY9ZE.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mr bowles (notify | contribs).
Image is orphaned, so I added a speedy deletion tag. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:HomerStranglesBart2.jpg

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Image:HomerStranglesBart2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Skies (notify | contribs).
  • On top of this, that image is hardly what I would call the "iconic" image of Bart being strangled anyway. That's probably the only time that Homer strangles Bart sitting down and with one hand in the entire run of the series, come on now. IvoShandor 12:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:December81969BuffaloCourierExpress.jpg

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Image:December81969BuffaloCourierExpress.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by SoxrockProjects (notify | contribs).

Image:Backintheday.png

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Image:Backintheday.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by SoxrockProjects (notify | contribs).

Image:Ten year patch reply.jpg

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Image:Ten year patch reply.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by SoxrockProjects (notify | contribs).

Image:Mainpagelogo.gif

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Image:Mainpagelogo.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Marlinsfan (notify | contribs).

Image:Stigma uc lc.svg

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Image:Stigma uc lc.svg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Wikinger (notify | contribs).

Deleted. Commons version showing through. howcheng {chat} 16:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:The chronic, The Back cover.JPG

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Image:The chronic, The Back cover.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Waitingfordresdetox (notify | contribs).

Kept. --howcheng {chat} 16:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Antiform.jpg

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Image:Antiform.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lawofone (notify | contribs).

Image:Westgatebridge.jpg

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Image:Westgatebridge.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tirin (notify | contribs).
No worries. I don't mind if it is deleted now there are a couple associated with the page.--Takver 07:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Quadrilateral.ai

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Image:Quadrilateral.ai (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by DrBob (notify | contribs).

Image:Portia Simpson-Miller Official Photograph.jpg

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Image:Portia Simpson-Miller Official Photograph.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Scanlan (notify | contribs).
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Image:Nightbloomingcactus.jpg

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Image:Nightbloomingcactus.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Karen Johnson (notify | contribs).

Kept. --howcheng {chat} 16:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Reaaave.jpg

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Image:Reaaave.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Afprep2498 (notify | contribs).

Image:Mangroves.jpg

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Image:Mangroves.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Karen Johnson (notify | contribs).

Deleted. Commons version showing through. howcheng {chat} 16:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:EdHendlerCableBridge1980.jpg

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Image:EdHendlerCableBridge1980.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cootie (notify | contribs).

Image:New_Flight_Charters.GIF

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Image:New_Flight_Charters.GIF (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rickcolson (notify | contribs).

Image:Rid_dread.jpg

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Image:Rid_dread.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chris_McFeely (notify | contribs).

Image:SCNL-accreditation-Hans_Koechler-2000.jpg

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Image:SCNL-accreditation-Hans_Koechler-2000.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Max543 (notify | contribs).

Image:SaddamCuellar.jpg

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Image:SaddamCuellar.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 172 (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessary non-free image showing two notable people in a notable meeting, but the image is not necessary for the undestanding of the discussion. Abu badali (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, this is a widely publicly reproduced historic image. In the AP photo Secretary General Javier Perez de Cuellar's meets with Saddam Hussein, a dramatic last ditch effort to persuade Iraq to pull out of Kuwait to meet the Security Council deadline looming in just two days. Press photography of the meeting was very restricted by Iraqi authorities. I am not aware of a single additional photograph of the event uploaded online. 172 | Talk 06:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Rationale of "A historic photo of two internationally know political figures." does not explain how its presence significantly increases readers' understanding of the topic, and how its omission would be detrimental to that understanding; fails WP:NFCC#8. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 18:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:AlBakr.jpg

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Image:AlBakr.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 172 (notify | contribs).
  • Keep, this AP photo is actually more notable than the meeting. The photo has been compared to the very famous image of Lenin and Stalin also sitting side by side in a similar pose, as the two relationships have often been compared. Access of photographers to meetings between Saddam and Bakr was rare and highly controlled. I am not aware of another photo of the two appearing together which has been commonly reproduced by other media outlets available. 172 | Talk 06:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless sources can be found to verified User:172's claims and that information is added to the article in order to assert the photo's notability. howcheng {chat} 16:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Inside Atocha Memorial Spain.jpg

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Image:Inside Atocha Memorial Spain.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by dantheman353 (notify | contribs).

Image:Buttphone1mm.jpg

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Image:Buttphone1mm.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Duudle123 (notify | contribs).
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