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Result: Delist. The article does not meet criteria 1(b) and 3. Geometry guy 22:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article has several issues:

      • Readers can make their minds, and some may consider that the enthusiast group is more reliable than reviews from magazines, where the reviewers are under time pressure and possibly commercial pressures (very few reviews give so few scores below 80%). For example Tom Chick at PC Retroview: Master of Orion II makes a serious error about some races. --Philcha (talk)
  • While true, with something like a review I feel we should be more tightened down to reliable sources. If the IGN review is incorrect, simply find another. Blogs and the like would be okay for things like DOSbox, but if the game is truly the 4X benchmark the article claims then there should be sufficient reliable sources to correctly cite reviews. A compromise would be if there is an external link to a fansite that happens to have a review and lots of other useful information. In that case that could satisfy a reader's need for a "real world perspective" review, plus given them additional information, making the link fall under WP:ELMAYBE. --Teancum (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I recall they were GameSpot references - some referenced GameSpot, some CBS Interactive. To me it should just be one or the other. --Teancum (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I've gone for "|work=GameSpot| publisher=CBS Interactive Inc." as GameSpot is a "mini-publisher" in its own right. One exception has "|work=GameSpot| publisher=CNET" - looks like CBS Interactive Inc. has too levels of organisation for our citation templates. I first came on something like this in a huge survey of invertebrate paleontology. --Philcha (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not in and of itself, however I thought given the larger issues I would list it as part of the GAR since its easy to fix. --Teancum (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do you know a trick I don't know? The only way I can seen it is to eyeball each citation. --Philcha (talk)
Thanks, you're right:
  • There are grammar and spelling issues in the article, using plural forms when not needed, and the opposite


  • I won't hold the short sections against the GAR. I disagree a bit in that my idea of a short paragraph is 4-7 lines, but readability is definitely not affected as you've stated. --Teancum (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Recommendation - immediate delist to C-Class and place the article under Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Peer review to help it to comply with both Wikipedia's and Wikiproject Video Games' standards. --Teancum (talk) 12:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - pending discussion and changes per my last comment it looks like Philca has/will either make changes necessary or be able to justify the things that remain unchanged. Not throwing in my final opinion yet, but given Philca's focus on updating the article I see no reason as of now that this won't remain GA class. --Teancum (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Improvement to the article (and hence the encyclopedia) is a good outcome in itself. Geometry guy 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist, with regret. I wanted to close this reassessment as keep, but am unable to do so, as the huge imbalance between the long Backstory-Gameplay-UserInterface part (primary sourced material on how to play the game) and the short Development-Reception-PostPublication part (secondary sourced material on responses to the game) suggests to me that the article fails criterion 3, and indeed possibly also WP:NOT: this is not an encyclopedia article at present, but a gameguide with reviews. Geometry guy 22:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The game had a GAR and passed, by Teancum on 11:51, 11 August 2010
    • The game was released 1996, so the retroviews are any there are. --Philcha (talk) 02:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've already provided pages from the game manual, and I found a 1996 review and a 2000 (retro)review. Would that address your concern about "primary sourced material on how to play the game"? I think it will take 1-2 days, as I also need to deal some RL. --Philcha (talk) 08:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]