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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Game 4 of the 1989 NBA Finals Intro by CBS.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, Unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1983-1989 NBA on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1992 AFC Championship Game Intro by NBC.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1982 NFL on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1992 NFL on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1995 AFC Championship Game Intro by NBC.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Low quality, unencyclopedic, an actual video could be uploaded to take its place. -FASTILY (TALK) 03:38, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:NBC's Epic in Miami Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1970s NBA on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:2001 NFL on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:CBS Sports music-only intro 1987 NFC Championship Game.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1970 NFL on CBS intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1987 NFL on NBC Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:USA Network's Calliope Clip.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:CBS Promo 1980 NBA Finals Lakers at 76ers Game 6.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1991 NFL on CBS Opening.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:NFL on CBS Farewell from 1993.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1999 NFL on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1982 NBA on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1996 MLB All-Star Game Intro by NBC.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1989 NBC Baseball Game of the Week Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1987 NBA on TBS Opening.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:The Baseball Network Opening.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1999 Daytona 500 Intro from CBS.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:AWA Championship Wrestling Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1992 NHL All-Star Game Intro from NBC.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:NHL Semi-Finals Close NBC 1974.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1973 NFL on NBC Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose well, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:NBA on NBC Farewell.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1990-1991 NBA on NBC Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation Taylor Karras (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1990 Game 7 NBA ECF Outro CBS.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1989 Buffalo Bills @ Cleveland Browns AFC divisional playoff.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1993 CBS Baseball Intro Graphics.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1998 Daytona 500 on CBS Closing Credits.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve purpose clearly, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:1998 NFL on CBS Intro.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by TMC1982 (notify | contribs).
- Low quality, doesn't serve clear purpose, possible copyright violation. Taylor Karras (talk) 12:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Transwikied to Commons. They like having PNGs as well as SVGs on Commons.
- File:Flag of Great Britain (English version).png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mr Taz (notify | contribs).
- Duplicate and redundant inferior copy of File:Union flag 1606 (Kings Colors).svg that the uploader disruptively keeps trying to insert into articles. O Fenian (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Union 'Flag' or Union 'Jack'? Flag of Great Britain (English version) is the Official name of the flag Mr Taz (talk) 20:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- move to commons 76.66.202.139 (talk) 05:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- The proper version is already on Commons, so what is the point of moving this discussion there by moving the image there? The purpose of this discussion is to delete the duplicate image so a disruptive editor stops edit warring to include an inferior image. O Fenian (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a PNG, the other is an SVG, I don't see any reason not to have a PNG and an SVG, many images on Commons exist in both forms. 76.66.202.139 (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Transwikied to Commons. They like having PNGs as well as SVGs on Commons.
- File:Flag of Great Britain (Scottish version).png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mr Taz (notify | contribs).
- Duplicate and redundant inferior copy of File:Union Jack 1606 Scotland.svg that the uploader disruptively keeps trying to insert into articles. O Fenian (talk) 00:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Union 'Flag' or Union 'Jack'? Flag of Great Britain (Scottish version) is the Official name of the flag Mr Taz (talk) 20:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- move to commons 76.66.202.139 (talk) 05:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The proper version is already on Commons, so what is the point of moving this discussion there by moving the image there? The purpose of this discussion is to delete the duplicate image so a disruptive editor stops edit warring to include an inferior image. O Fenian (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a PNG, the other is an SVG, I don't see any reason not to have a PNG and an SVG, many images on Commons exist in both forms. 76.66.202.139 (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Does not pass NFCC#1 (as an image of the person) or #8 (as conveying other information)
- File:Aubrey O'Day performing At Last, Season 1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Flyer22 (notify | contribs).
- Non-free image that does not significantly increase the reader's understanding. An image of some one holding a microphone doesn't help us understand that she sang a song. Jay32183 (talk) 03:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. As I stated on my talk page, "...You know very well that this image should not be deleted." You only nominated it to try and further your argument about the Aundrea and Aubrey - main.jpg image after I pointed out this image. I knew that you or someone else would probably do this after I pointed it out.
- The non-free image I have of Aubrey O'Day in her article is a screenshot of a defining moment for her within that show. Not only did fellow contestants and judges take her talent very seriously after that, but so did Sean Combs. More can also be added to back up that screenshot being perfectly valid within that article. It is not about an image of someone holding a microphone. It is not about helping us understand that she sang a song. It is about the fact that this was a key moment in O'Day's life. Can it be conveyed the same way or just as well without that image? No. Deleting images like this, especially when more critical commentary can be added to correspond with them, is silly. Flyer22 (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This image does not improve anyone's understanding of the topic. The reason behind this nomination is that this image also fails WP:NFCC#8. The text can be fully understood without the image. This specific image is not the significant moment to the person. Talking about something significant and then adding an image is not the same as supplying an image that significantly improves the readers' understanding. Jay32183 (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You say that this image does not improve anyone's understanding of the topic? Laughable! No, the reason you nominated this image is not because of WP:NFCC#8. You nominated it for the reason I stated above. You say that the text can be fully understood without the image? That can be said for most non-free images on Wikipedia. Such as the one of the kiss between fictional characters Reese and Zach Slater in the Reese Williams and Bianca Montgomery article. Can people not understand that he kissed her without that image? Of course they can. And yet that image, which has plenty of critical commentary about that moment, is perfectly valid within that article. What, are you going to go after that image also, since I uploaded it and wrote most of that article?
- The fact is...that moment of O'Day's life cannot be fully conveyed by text alone. Talking about something significant and then adding an image to go along with it can very well be the same as supplying an image that significantly improves the readers' understanding. That moment is in no way conveyed the same way without this image.
- In addition, this image was previously passed over as needing to be deleted, because the editor who saw it felt that it was valid to stay within the article but that another one I had in the article was not. What, was this editor wrong not to nominate this image for deletion as well? Not according to that editor and other very experienced editors here who have seen it in the article for the longest now, all whom are familiar with WP:NFCC#8.
- If this image is deleted, I will most definitely upload a similar one, with even more critical commentary about that moment, which I have in my older computer somewhere. I would love to see you try and delete it then. Flyer22 (talk) 06:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You keep making your argument assuming that all the non-free content on Wikipedia is within the guidelines. The situation you're describing about the kiss is also an image that should be deleted. There's a good deal of non-free content that should be deleted from Wikipedia. Saying you'll re-upload is a bad idea. A significant moment does not equal a significant image, you need to understand that before you contibute any more non-free content. Jay32183 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- My argument is not about assuming that all the non-free content on Wikipedia is within the guidelines. I know that plenty of it is not. Your problem is that you keep talking to me in a condescending tone as though I am some newbie or that you are right about absolutely everything. The situation I am describing about the kiss is in no way an image that should be deleted, since it is the imagery that was subject to much criticism and commentary. Not to mention, that it is of two fictional characters. A significant moment does sometimes equate to a significant image (as exemplified below with the video game character I mention), which you should understand before deleting every non-free image at will. Flyer22 (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You keep making your argument assuming that all the non-free content on Wikipedia is within the guidelines. The situation you're describing about the kiss is also an image that should be deleted. There's a good deal of non-free content that should be deleted from Wikipedia. Saying you'll re-upload is a bad idea. A significant moment does not equal a significant image, you need to understand that before you contibute any more non-free content. Jay32183 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This image does not improve anyone's understanding of the topic. The reason behind this nomination is that this image also fails WP:NFCC#8. The text can be fully understood without the image. This specific image is not the significant moment to the person. Talking about something significant and then adding an image is not the same as supplying an image that significantly improves the readers' understanding. Jay32183 (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The image seems to be okay: it portrays an important event in Aubrey O'Day's life, and appears to add to the text rather than just decorating the article. I've seen the image plenty of times and never thought to have it deleted. If Flyer22 can provide better commentary that'll be helpful, but if not, I still think it'll be fine. Acalamari 16:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- So what does it exactly add to the article? What encyclopedic information does it convey that isn't in the text? I'm not seeing it - looks awfully decorative. Mosmof (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I explained above, with even an example of another image in a different article I have heavily contributed to. I cannot explain it too differently than I already have. In the same way that the image of Reese and Zach kissing adds to that article, though the text already conveys that Reese and Zach kissed, this one does as well. The reason that image is perfectly valid is because it is displaying a moment that the article significantly notes and which has likely engaged the reader in feeling that they should see what all the hoopla is about regarding that kiss. That image displays a moment that has significant commentary about it. And I can do the same with this image of O'Day. What I have done with the O'Day article by including the image of a defining moment in her life is no different than a lot of articles on Wikipedia that have been deemed good or featured when including such non-free images of important moments about a topic backed up by critical commentary. I can add more critical commentary about that moment in O'Day's life, and am in the process of doing so, which I feel will make that image even more justified in staying. It is as if I were to add an image of her first Making the Band audition instead, which there is a lot of critical commentary about (some of which is already in the article).
- I thank you for giving me the chance to explain, or at least to add more critical commentary about that moment, instead of just saying "delete." Flyer22 (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You explained the "why", but you haven't really explained the "how", if that makes sense. Based on your response at 06:12, I'm guessing that there isn't any significance to the image itself, except that it depicts an event that's significant. To me (and I imagine, a lot of Wikipedia users and people with copyright expertise), that does not constitute fair use. Mosmof (talk) 19:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose since I have seen this type of thing with so many really good articles here, it has jaded me in not seeing the problem with it. Would you explain what you feel is the difference between me using an image of the fictional characters I noted above and this image of O'Day? Do you feel that it is more a matter of having more freedom with images of fictional characters? Or that displaying a kiss on television that has been talked about a lot in valid sources and what it looked like is more necessary to show than an image of a key point in someone's life singing? Also, even if I add more critical commentary to go along with this moment in O'Day's life, will you still feel that the image is better not used? Would you object to my instead adding an image of her first audition on Making the Band, which has a lot of critical commentary about it? Flyer22 (talk) 19:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I don't think it matters whether the subject is fictional or not - if the image itself isn't significant, then it fails NFCC#8. I haven't seen the image you're referencing, but if the only rationale is that "it depicts a significant moment", then it shouldn't stay. And you may be missing the point with "critical commentary" - you seem to be talking about critical commentary about the moment in the person's life, rather than the image itself.
- Here's a comparison - an image of Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" would be appropriate in Super Bowl XXXVIII halftime show controversy, since the image was at the center of the controversy. In this case, the image isn't at the center of discussion, but merely depicts the subject of discussion. Mosmof (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, yes. The image I am talking about above of the fictional characters Reese and Zach was subject to controversy. Well, the moment was subject to controversy, but it was the imagery that got people all riled up. In comparison, I can see how the imagery of O'Day singing "At Last" has been no big deal (if that is what you are trying to say).
- When I was saying that "it depicts a significant moment" backed up by critical commentary, I was going by what people here usually feel is a good rationale for a non-free image being used within an article. Such as when two fictional characters kiss for the first time and there is critical commentary about that or it is noted in the plot section beside the image. Stuff like that is usually allowed in articles on Wikipedia. Sort of like the significant moment of video game character Aerith Gainsborough dying. When she was killed, that moment was talked about a lot, by fans and critics, and there is an image in her article which shows her death. You see what I mean? I am just not seeing how including an image of O'Day in the way I have is all that different than something like that. But I do get your point about the imagery of O'Day singing "At Last" never being a big deal; it was more about her voice than the image. With the Reese and Zach kiss and the Aerith death, it was more about the imagery. That is what you mean, right?
- Even so, another example would be the Todd Manning artice. It is another article that I have contributed heavily to (basically created), and I really hope that no one reading this goes after any of the images in that article. But at that risk, that article has been through two (sort of three) Good Article nominations, and every editor has stated that all the images used in that article are well-placed and comply with Wikipedia's fair-use rationale, such as Roger Howarth being on a certain talk show back in 1993 (which was a big deal back then). One of the editors who reviewed the article is very well-versed in copyright issues and saw no problem with that image. And I was simply trying to see how having a non-free image of Howarth on a show, which is discussed, is that different than having a non-free image of O'Day singing on a show, which is also discussed. I mean, the imagery of Howarth on that show was probably no big deal, but that moment was. While the Todd Manning article still needs work, and I am finishing that up, I was assured that all the images in that article are okay for use.
- All in all, I get your point. I may be a little confused right now about all this, but I get your point. I am not that as against deletion of this O'Day image anymore, but I still feel that it is valid within the article. I thank you again for taking the time to listen to me, at least. Flyer22 (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You explained the "why", but you haven't really explained the "how", if that makes sense. Based on your response at 06:12, I'm guessing that there isn't any significance to the image itself, except that it depicts an event that's significant. To me (and I imagine, a lot of Wikipedia users and people with copyright expertise), that does not constitute fair use. Mosmof (talk) 19:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. We have a free image of Ms. O'Day in the article; this non-free one is just decorative and fails WP:NFCC#8. Stifle (talk) 08:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. There already being a free image of her within the article is not the point, nor is this image just decorative. But I have already stated my thoughts about this matter above, and (as said before) am really not that much against its deletion anymore. Flyer22 (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Star of life parts.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Owain.davies (notify | contribs).
- Replaced by SVG version OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 10:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – Unneeded, replacd by SVG, per OwainDavies. American Eagle (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Kept with the new fair use rationale. Liberty to relist if this rationale is considered insufficient. Stifle (talk) 10:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Augustus John, Princess Antoine Bibesco, 1924.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pauldarby (notify | contribs).
- Published after 1923 and author died less than 70 years ago. Painting is therefore still copyrighted and PD-US does not apply. Papa November (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although Augustus John died only 48 years ago the painting was done well over 70 years ago. It is dated 1924 because that is the date at which it was first shown at the Royal Academy. This painting is the most famous image of the writer Elizabeth Bibesco and a valuable psychological comparison with the photographic images on the page. It would be a shame to lose it from this site. —Preceding Paul Darby comment added by 173.35.58.235 (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, if it was first published in 1924 it is non-free, so the license tag is incorrect. However, if the image is as important to the subject matter as you suggest, you could consider re-tagging it as a non-free image and adding a fair use rationale. Ask me at my talk page if you need any help. Papa November (talk) 00:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe. This painting may or may not be copyrighted. When was it first sold? Does anyone know? Critically, was it ever put up for public sale before 1989? If so, it is almost certainly PD, since U.S. courts have held that paintings are "published" when they are either duplicated (with permission of the copyright holder) or put up for sale. Few (if any) historic paintings have prominent © notices, so (assuming there's not a © and year somewhere I'm not seeing) it would be PD if sold before 1989. But if not, it may have been first "published" after that date, when © notices were no longer required. Does anyone know? – Quadell (talk) 03:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Painting of Elizabeth Bibesco was last sold at Christies in 1980. It was illustrated at that time in the auction catalogue. The last previous publication of the image was in the Los Angeles Times in 1954. It was first sold in 1926 and resold in 1938. From what Quadell says, it would therefore be considered public domain. Thanks for the input. Paul Darby173.35.58.235 (talk) 12:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't a US painting, so I don't think the pre-1989 rule applies. It is only PD in the US if it was either published in the UK before 1923 ({{PD-US-1923-abroad}}) or if it was PD in the UK on 1st Jan 1996. I think the rules in this case are 70 years p.m.a in the UK (1961 + 70 => 1st Jan 2032) and publication + 95 in the US (1926 + 95 => 1st Jan 2022). Papa November (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I think this chart show pretty well that this is not a PD image. U.S. Copyright Law is complicated enough, but when you throw in the intricacies of other countries' laws, it quickly becomes muddled. I'm not saying Quadell is wrong (the Cornell link is a simplified version of the law probably erring on the side of caution), but it would be good to have a link to a legal opinion to back up such an assertion. Since other free images exist, I'm forced to !vote Delete — BQZip01 — talk 20:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Although the image is probably non-free, I've retagged it as non-free 2D art using the rationale proposed by Paul Darby above. I'm happy enough to withdraw this nomination if the consensus is that the rationale is strong enough. Papa November (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:CheeseSandwich.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dreams20 (notify | contribs).
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:HotBeveragesSinga.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dreams20 (notify | contribs).
- Unencyclopedic, used only on article that's about to be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 11:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Low quality, unencyclopedic. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 12:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Kobeespncoverbarcelona.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hornymanatee (notify | contribs).
- Initially tagged as a disputed non-free use rationale, but the uploader has removed the tag and added a more descriptive caption and a one-sentence mention in Kobe Bryant. The image still fails WP:NFCC#8, as there is no third-party source establishing the significance of the image, nor does the image provide any apparent encyclopedic information. Mosmof (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per nom, fails WP:NFCC—Chris! ct 22:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Cocaine2.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Rocknroll714 (notify | contribs).
- Appears to be a PNG copy of the SVG image File:Cocaine-2D-skeletal.svg, and it is thus inferiour to it. It's currently orphaned, and I don't see where it could be used for. I prodded it two days ago, but this was reverted, I don't know why. Cheers, theFace 18:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. — Aitias // discussion 23:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:Prince fielder espn magazine.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hornymanatee (notify | contribs).
- Originally tagged as disputed fair use, declined. While the cover is mentioned in the article, there is no third party source backing the significance of the image, nor does the image provide any encyclopedic information, fails WP:NFCC#8. Mosmof (talk) 18:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Magazine covers should only be used in the article about the magazine. The tag even says so. Stifle (talk) 08:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by Stifle (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 10:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- File:0Addams.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pastor Theo (notify | contribs).
- There is a better quality image, in colour, already on the commons File:Jane addams stamp.JPG. ww2censor (talk) 22:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As the person who uploaded the file. This was among my earliest endeavors with image work, and I was unaware that the other image existed. I have no problems with its removal. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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