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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Giants2008 20:25, 25 July 2012 [1].

Ricardo Arjona discography

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Nominator(s): Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 17:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because i think it's ready and contains all information that could be found, correctly sourced. Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 17:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 04:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Several changes have been made for the discography style, many of which can be found on the Jennifer Lopez discography article. In addition to those changes, other stuff that needs to be change include:
  • Certifying certification authorities should be pipelinked to their abbreviations, not the country name.
You only need to link the first instance of Latin. Also please note that graphics (such as the Done graphic) are strongly discouraged on any featured candidates. Erick (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Graphics? --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 19:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm referring to the "Done" template you are using in this page. Erick (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sales need a footnote to indicate an "as of" date.
  • Removing of overlinking certifications. You only need to link them once in the table.
  • *Since Argentina and Chile do not have a database online (or at least until the former starts working again), the format to reference Hits of the World should be different. See Michael Jester's suggestion how to deal with Hits of the World here.
Okay for Chile I want you to add that the chart for Chile is provided on the Hits of the World by the courtesy of the Asociacion Fonograficos De Chile now known as IFPI Chile. Also when referencing Billboard magazines, include the volume and issue of the magazine you're using which can be found by clicking on "Acerca de esta revista". Erick (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only list certifications to countries that have also have a chart on the table.

*It seems unnecessary to divide albums into decades.

  • For Mexico, it should be linked to "Top 100 Mexico", not AMPROFON. Top 100 Mexico is the name of the chart, AMPROFON is the publisher.

:: "On Mexico, both Hung Medien and AMPROFON chart information is used." What does this mean? Also, you only had to use the Mexicancharts.com as a source, I only asked for the piplelink to be changed. Erick (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't only use Mexicancharts, since it does not contain peak positions for Adentro and Solo. --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 20:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, disregard on my last comment then. Erick (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've already linked them to Top 100 Mexico. --Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 03:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*The countries should be in alphabetical order. First Argentina, second Chile, third Mexico, US last. Normally, the artist's home country would come first, but since Guatemala doesn't have a record chart, that can't be helped.

  • For Chile, the album chart name is "APF" according to Hits of the World. IFPI Chile is for certifications. See above for APF
      • Perhaps I should rephrase that. APF is the abbreviation for the Chilean albums chart, I do not yet know what it stands for nor does it have an article on Wikipedia.
  • I disagree the need to include shipment figures on the discography table.

I'm sorry, but I really don't think it satisfies the FLC criteria at this time. I would suggest a withdraw and get it peer reviewed. I've asked Michael Jester to provide assistance for you and he said he is willing to help. Erick (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Erick (talk) 18:29, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 05:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Michael Jester

Good work on the article so far, but I do see some issues.

  • Take a look at K-Ci & JoJo discography or Jennifer Lopez discography (which are both FLs) to see how yours matches up.
  • The countries should be in alphabetical order (ARG, CHI, MEX, ... instead of US, US Latin Pop, ...)
    • Done.
  • The references in the tables can be a bit confusing. Combine them, so you don't have references all over the place.
  • The sources may be in the lead, but I noticed some albums/singles do not have a reference to show they existed. For example, Jesús, Verbo No Sustantivo did not chart or receive a certification, so how do we know it existed?
  • For the live albums table, take away the US, MEX, and ARG charts since no albums charted on them.
  • Some certifications aren't sources (i.e. Galería Caribe)
  • Why are the singles split into decades and the albums not? I'd prefer to just have one table, but it's up to you. Be consistent, however.
  • In the references section, dates are different. I see 12-10-2010 and 13 October 2011 in the first reference.
  • Reference 1 is missing the language parameter.
  • A lot of the works/publishers are in italics when they shouldn't be and vice verse. For example, in reference 12, you have Billboard when it should be Billboard, and in reference 20, you have Allmusic when it should be Allmusic.
  • Did any of his singles receive certification?
  • You don't have any WP:ALT for the image.
  • Some unsourced stuff in the lead: "Because of his negative experiences while recording the album and its commercial failure, he decided to abandon the music industry and become a schoolteacher."
  • Calling songs a "hit" without a source is WP:OR
  • "has claimed many times that those albums are the best-selling of his career." I only see one source, and he's not claiming that it was his best-selling, nor is one source "many times".
  • Comment Why you say that the m-dash "denotes items which were not released in that country or failed to chart", while you only use them in the Singles section?--GoPTCN 11:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Statυs (talk) 03:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Singles with no articles need to be sourced. A chart position is not enough to show this, considering that songs can chart without being a single.
I'm pretty sure the Billboard Latin Songs charts only accepts singles for chart positions since just about every song in the chart are done by airplay and promos. Erick (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep consistency with "US Latin". The albums section has a line break, while the singles section does not.
  • This is a picky thing, but for the "did not chart" dashes, the longer ones should be used.
  • WP:DISCOG: "Where a release did not chart, but a column for a particular chart or territory exists since another release charted there, either an en-dash (–) or an em-dash (—) should be placed in the cell. There is no requirement to use one type of dash over the other, but they should be used consistently throughout the article and centered in their cells." --—Hahc21 [TALK][CONTRIBS] 00:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure why notes on US Top Heatseekers is relevant as a note.
  • Not sure why live albums are first. It's not as if you put it in ABC order or anything.
  • There'a an option for live albums in the infobox, no need to create one.

Statυs (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose some quick comments, but overall this isn't ready yet. Suggest a WP:PR.
  • "Guatemalan recording artist Ricardo Arjona has released throughout his career a total thirteen..." bad English. Perhaps "The discography of Guatemalan recording artist Ricardo Arjona consists of thirteen..."
  • " forty-three singles." infobox says 46.
  • "Four Arjona albums had debuted and/or reached number one on the Billboard Top Latin Albums, and ten had reached the No.1 position in Argentina." poor English. It should be "have" rather than "had", and the "and/or" is very awkwardly phrased.
  • "Also, four albums had charted inside the Billboard 200, being Poquita Ropa the most successful of them, reaching No.43." bad English -> "Four albums also charted on the Billboard 200; Poquite Ropa was the most successful, reaching No. 43".
  • " and stands as one of the most successful latin artists in music history" you mean "Latin", not "latin".
  • "Arjona begun his musical career at age 21,[3] when he released his debut album Déjame Decir Que Te Amo in 1985." I find it hard to believe anyone begins a musical career by releasing an album. You mean, more likely, that his first album was released then. (I expect he did gigs and concerts etc before being signed to a label and then before releasing an album...)
  • "Because of his negative experiences while recording the album " explain?
  • "In 1989, Arjona returned for a second chance with..." nope, "returned to music when he released..."
  • "which gave him media attention and moderated success." not "moderated", just "moderate".

Sorry, but the prose is really, really poor. I suggest you ask a copyeditor to have a look over it, or as I said above, ask for a peer review, and then bring it back to FLC. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think i have addressed everything. I can't take the article at PR because I still have Independiente there ans the guidelines says i can't run two Prs simultaneously. —Hahc21 02:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a ce of the lead as requested by you, Hahc. Ty. Till 03:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Till. I appreciate the help. —Hahc21 03:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So, what's next? I think I have addressed everything above. If i missed something, please tell me. —Hahc21 02:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 17:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "His album Historias garnered further success, where it sold two million copies". Don't think "where" is correct phrasing, since the album isn't a location. Some re-wording should fix this.
  • "In December 1998, Arjona recorded his first live album, Vivo, on the Hippodrome of Guatemala City...". Should "on" be "in"? I'd think "on" is appropriate only if he was standing on top of the arena, not inside it.
  • "the" is missing from "which reached No.2 on Billboard Latin Songs chart...". For consistency in the lead, I'd suggest putting it in.
  • Should there be a space in "No.2" in this sentence? Similar issue exists in notes D and L.
  • Typo in "becoming his second chart-topper con that list." "con" is the troublesome word. How does that get past five supporters?
  • And this, from note B: "chart positions shown is the published in Billboard's 'Hits of the World' section." Replacing "is the" with "were" should fix it, but again I'd have expected one of the prior reviewers to catch this. That also appears in note C.
  • In note E: "belongs" should probably be the singular "belong".
  • One more while we're waiting for the site to become operational again: "were" should probably be "was" in note C. I don't think the change from the other note works perfectly here. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed. Thanks for your comments. I'm afraid i don't know when it will become available again :(. It's worrying me, since i tried a lot to find a replacement but was unsuccessful. Regards. —Hahc21 01:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • He wanted you to change "Chilean chart information were published in Billboard's "Hits of the World" section" to ""Chilean chart information were published in Billboard's "Hits of the World" section" and you accidentally put both in. Erick (talk) 02:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's "was", and yes you are correct, it's singular or "was" would be the one. Erick (talk) 02:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed all but this: No.2 doesn't need a space between the period and the number. The argentinian site was hacked and is dead until they restore it. There's no other source that could replace it, since it's the official argentinian certification entity's website. Thanks for your comments. Cheers! —Hahc21 17:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So what's the verdict? There hasn't been activity for 10 days. If the CAPIF site is still being an issue, then an archive version of it can be used, right? Erick (talk) 07:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if an archived version showing all certifications is available, then i think it might be good to go. —Hahc21 15:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Internet Archive is probably your best bet in finding an archived version, assuming nobody made a copy of the page through WebCite. If that fails, you can always remove the CAPIF certifications until the site comes back. That's not the ideal, but if there's no good source for them there's no good source for them, and I don't believe comprehensiveness requires us to add details that can't be adequately cited. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I found an archive on the WayBack machine. Before the search option was required to view the certifications, the CAPIF site allowed you to search for certifications by year. Unfortunately, it only goes from 2001 to late 2007 (selecting 2000 does not work). This means that certifications before 2000 and after 2007 will probably have to taken off. At any rate, here it is. Erick (talk) 21:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Any update here? I don't want to see this left at FLC forever while we're waiting for the site to come back up. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't found the way to see some years. I will use the archived version for some albums and delete the rest until the site comes back up. UPDATE: Still confused with the archive. I'm not able to see the certifications. I think that, as a complete substitute is not available, then you might close this and then, in a future, i will renominate it. —Hahc21 20:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, [2001. That's all I got for now. Erick (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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