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List of awards and nominations received by Elliot Page[edit]

List of awards and nominations received by Elliot Page (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): — Bilorv (talk) 00:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've worked on a couple of featured lists of this sort, most recently List of awards and nominations received by Community (co-nomination). This one was more work than I expected—lots of notable awards that we didn't mention, some non-notable that we did, and a lot of challenges in some of the earlier awards where having a website was not quite universal yet. Our coverage of Page has received a lot of scrutiny post-their December 2020 announcement that they are transgender. Hopefully this FLC will be as calm and constructive as the others I've participated in. Comments about whether and how to address Page's deadname and previous gender identity are welcome, but may not be acted on immediately if it might be better to wait and get a fuller consensus. (There's been a tiny bit of talk page discussion about this so far.) — Bilorv (talk) 00:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alexandra

  • Would suggest slightly more elaborate alt text for the picture - "2015 photograph of Elliot Page" for example
     Done — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The wording of the table heading "Nominated work" feels slightly off since two of the items are Page himself. I don't write awards lists myself, so I don't know what the standard is, but the current solution does not look right to me.
    Replaced with a dash as suggested by ChrisTheDude. — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since this is a list of awards and nominations, and not a filmography, try to ensure that roles you bring up in the lead are related to that - ie He served as a voice actor in the video game Beyond: Two Souls in 2013. is irrelevant on its own, without mentioning that he was nominated for his voice performance in it.
     Done — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good otherwise - please {{ping}} me when you have addressed the above or if you have any questions, and I will be with you asap!--AlexandraIDV 02:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support--AlexandraIDV 05:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Endorse the above and add......
  • In the "nominated work" column, Page's name should sort under P, not E
     Done — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The result column sorts as Won > Runner-up > Nominated > 10th Place. I would suggest that 10th place should sort before nominated, as it is a result of some sort.
     Done Now sorts as "Won > Runner-up > 10th Place > Nominated" on a single click (rather than two). — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • National Academy of Video Game Trade Reviewers Awards isn't linked - if it's not notable enough to have an article, does it belong here? Not sure what the general view on that is......
    When I looked at this I decided that it is notable, but just doesn't have an article yet. It seems like a similar organization to many of those listed, with a similar awards process. I can redlink it if you like? — Bilorv (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Think that's it from me - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see that you have replaced his name with a dash, but the dash oddly seems to sort under P. I would suggest it should just sort at either the top or bottom...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sure, sorts at the top now. I made two conflicting changes at once with that one... — Bilorv (talk) 14:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

Overall, this is a really good list. Just a few small things I noticed:

  • I think the "Shared with..." footnotes would fit better in the category column (like footnotes g and h). This would help to distinguish these footnotes from the "Tied with..." footnote.
    You're right, this is better. — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scrolling through IMDb, the only potentially notable awards I didn't see included were from film critics' associations, but I'm not worried about including all of those – I'll assume the major ones are here.
    Yeah I did check these and think all the major ones (and only the major ones) for which sources exist are there. — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change Atlantic Film Festival to Atlantic Film Festival Awards and Primetime Emmy Award to Primetime Emmy Awards for consistency in first column.
     Done — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this the article for source 2? If so, link it for easier verifiability. (Also, I think the title for that source is too long and accidentally includes the subheader.)
    • Same for this for source 36.
      • Yep, found them through ProQuest at The Wikipedia Library (good way to find sources that are otherwise paywalled) but these are the same sources—now linked. — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 45th Saturn Awards (2019) can be wikilinked.
     Done — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All addressed. Very useful feedback! — Bilorv (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason footnote g moved to the nominated work column? I thought it was fine where it was at, and now it conflicts with footnote h. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This was a just mistake—now fixed. — Bilorv (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – One more quick thought: Since "Premio Maguey" is Spanish for "Maguey Award", I think we should write "Premios Maguey" for consistency with pluralization. My mistake for not catching this earlier. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am a Spanish GENIUS! I'll have to take your word for it on the Spanish being correct but brilliant catch, done. — Bilorv (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Some Dude From North Carolina

That's about it from me, as all the other references look great. Ping me when you have added comments. Some Dude From North Carolinawanna talk? 16:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Some Dude From North Carolina: good eye for detail, all fixed. — Bilorv (talk) 23:18, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Impeccable list. Lead flows well. Information is thoroughly sourced. Comprehensive and informative. A small question (which does not impact my support in any way)--the Women Film Critics Circle sources are published on WordPress, which are flagged as unreliable. Does this mean the award is of marginal notability etc. ? HĐ (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The source is fine as a self-published expert source if we accept that the award is important. Women Film Critics Circle does have an article and its members are all professionals and its awards are hence determined by experts so I think that gives it similar credence to many others on the list. WordPress is obviously not a great sign but bear in mind that those pages are from 2006 and 2009 so many big organizations didn't have websites that look great to a 2021 eye. — Bilorv (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • If "National Academy of Video Game Trade Reviewers Awards" isn't notable enough to have an article then I'm not sure it should be included in this list.
  • "received numerous ... receiving nominations ..." repetitive.
  • "a children's television" perhaps clarify here that it's a Canadian series.
  • "the superhero works" not convinced this sentence is grammatically up to scratch, perhaps an "and" in front of this would work...
  • Refs 32 and 33 have a spaced hyphen instead of an en-dash.
  • Ref 51 v ref 53 - "Spike" format is inconsistent.
  • Ref 26, publisher and/or work/website?
    • publisher=Academy of Canadian Cinema & Television — Bilorv (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, all fixed I think! — Bilorv (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was already a source review, and after consideration I've decided not to hold up the nomination for it, but please add page numbers to your magazine/newspaper citations. Promoting. --PresN 02:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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