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The list was not promoted 13:06, 4 May 2008.

List of Auburn High School people[edit]

Self nomination. I've largely based this list on the FL List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni, which gave me the inspiration to try to bring this list I had been working on up to featured status. --Lissoy (talk) 03:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • A few quick comments:
    • Lead section is too short. I want it to tell me more about the school.
      • I've expanded the lead; is more needed?
    • The numbers in "three hundred diplomas a year and has graduated over ten thousand students" should be rendered as numerals, not as words.
      • Done.
    • Some of the images overlap the tables on my screen (specifically, Spencer and Washington).
      • Do you mean overlaps horizontally, or vertically? I can't reproduce this.
    • The variable width of the different tables looks odd.
      • Fixed.
    • I don't believe that Fulbright, Truman, or Marshall Scholarships are considered to convey notability. I don't think they should be listed. (Others might have different opinions, though.)
      • A similar list passed muster in FL List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni. Individually don't I think reciepiency of such a scholarship confers notability, but collectively, I think the complete set is notable, in a similar manner to the principals and presidents list.
    • Does Man or Astro-man? belong in a list of people?
      • Each of the band members attended the school, and formed the band while students. They are "Auburn High School people".--Lissoy (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
--Orlady (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

I'm afraid I can't support this until the List of Arsenal F.C. players candidacy for removal is resolved. According to half the people who have contributed there, the title of this list would suggest that it must contain all "people" who were involved with Auburn High School. Moreover, the fact that there's even a tag suggesting that the list is incomplete means it fails criterion 1b. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think I can resolve this debate one way or another, but WP:STAND notes that "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)", which implies that all people should not be included unless all are notable--this is the case for a professional athletic team, since participation in the highest level of professional sports confers notability (WP:ATHLETE), but is not for people simply by association with a high school. I also don't understand your statement that the list would fail criterion 1b due to a dynamic list tag, considering that 1b specifically says that dynamic lists which do not omit a major component are "Comprehensive". Since this list contains every "Auburn High School person" on Wikipedia as far as I know, I don't think it omits a major component. Perhaps I've misunderstood; would you mind clarifying what you mean?--Lissoy (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't know how you can prove that you've got all the notable alumni of Auburn High School covered. Just because you think you've got all those with Wikipedia articles, how can you guarantee that those are all the notable "people" ever to be involved with the school? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • What does extant mean, in "oldest extant public high school"?
    • Extant as in "oldest of currently operating schools", but not "first school"; I've clarified.
  • "Courtesy UAB" should appear in the fair use rationale, not in the image caption
    • Done.
  • Echo TRM's comments re the incomplete tag and unresolved issue regarding a different list's incompleteness
    • See above.
  • The numbers as words doesn't bother me, as [as figures or words] allows it.
  • Force width the tables and their columns

That's it from me. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—Is it possible to include in the portrait captions the year in parentheses after the name—"(1996)"? The images are from such different eras. TONY (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Done. Concerning the term "graduation exercises" vs. "examinations" in the lead, while I have no doubt that graduation examinations were given at the school in the 1840s, the earliest citation I can find for such is for the July 1853 examinations. I do have cites for graduation ceremonies of some sort in the 1840s so I used "exercises", as in definition 5 here. If that usage is too much of an Americanism, I can change it to ceremonies. --Lissoy (talk) 19:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dweller's Regretful oppose:
  • I think you need explanatory text about the "scholars", you can't just rely on a hat note
Deletion of people without articles would cause the whole "Scholars" list to go away. I endorse that deletion. These honors for college seniors are very important, but they are not a basis for notability at Wikipedia. --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why the apparently huge lacunae in the list. Why have they been included and others excluded?
I've included every Auburn High School person for whom I've found a Wikipedia article, and have tried to briefly list why such person is notable. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I might address it? --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's now moot. It was about the scholars. --Dweller (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is one type of scholar entirely unrepresented?
Which type would that be? --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Quite right. Struck. But I did notice "first Alabamian to graduate at the top of his class at the United States Military Academy"" which seemed rather weak to me. --Dweller (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mooted by deletion of the Scholars section.--Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm also unconvinced either of the Vinsons are notable enough for inclusion.
I agree. They don't belong. --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the difference (is there one?) between a Principal and a President?
The general category covers the academic heads of the school, and the oscillation between the titles reflects changes in ways the school was administered. Should this be explained on the page? --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. To my ear, they sound very different roles (one professional, one lay) so if they're not, that should definitely be explained. --Dweller (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of the dates included in the boxes are erratic (stick to chronological order)
Which dates are not in chronological order within their respective professional area? Or, are you suggesting that we dispense with the professional area categorization and go to a straight chronological list? --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gosh, no. Within the detail for each individual person, ensure that it's presented chronologically. --Dweller (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More as I find 'em. Sorry, because I can see a lot of work's gone into this. --Dweller (talk) 20:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I agree with Dweller's comments. I made some changes. The ordinal numbers should be spelled out per Wikipedia:MOS#Numbers as figures or words. And I would recommend only listing people who have articles because there is not a strong reason for not listing others without articles. And the italicized text at the end of the lead seems to break the fourth wall (if that is possible in Wikipedia). Is this allowed? –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed numbers to words per Wikipedia:MOS#Numbers as figures or words. I have also removed all people who lack WP articles. The incomplete list italicized text seems to be universal for FL school people lists (List of Athabasca University people, List of Dartmouth College alumni, List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni, etc.) --Lissoy (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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