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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Latin Grammy Award for Best Salsa Album

Featured list candidates/Latin Grammy Award for Best Salsa Album/archive1

Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ²¹ and — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... well, go check it out, and you'll see why ;) Okay, seriously now. This is my first FLC nomination since I became a delegate and well, things have happened. This list is about the winners and nominees of the Latin Grammy Award for Best Salsa Album. It contains the data from the last thirteen years, which are all the years the award has been given, and well, Venezuela has the most noms without a win >.< — ΛΧΣ²¹ and — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~;Oppose~~

Citations should be added to the second paragraph in the lead.
- Not common practice for content covered on the table. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 01:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Citations should also be added to support the captions under the photographs.
- Same as above. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 01:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The references used (citations #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #10, #13, #14) are just a list of nominees or just the winners. You need to find sources that support both.
- I might want this, but this is a no. We already use this referencing style in the other Latin Gramy FLs recently promoted. No need to change here. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 01:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Citation #3 → the article is missing when you click on the link.

– Underneath-it-All (talk) 18:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the only issue with the article, and that is the dead link. The rest made me chuckle, to be honest. You don't use citations in the lead unless they are quotes or not supported in the body of the article. The photographs need no citation, all citations for them are already present. And finally, you are asking for a reference that doesn't exist. There's no citation that shows both the nominations and winners. This oppose is quite outrageous. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 21:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*File:RubenBladesCT2002b.jpg: not sure this is actually free. I've nominated it for deletion at Commons.

- Done.
Wouldn't nominees be automatically notable? If so, this needs to have some redlinks.
- Not necessarily, but I will see if some of 'em may.
the biggest winner in this category - "biggest" doesn't seem to be the right term
- Done.
Is there any critical commentary on the award? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:31, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sadly, no. These rare awards do never receive critical commentary. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 03:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose and images as of this datestamp. Good read. Looks like y'all are on the way to getting a featured topic. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Crisco! Yeah, we're working on it, but it's gonna take a lil while... Haha. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:23, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

I think nominees should be listed alphabetically by last name (or group/stage name) for each cell
- Did my best.
"Son by Son" per capitalization Manual of style preferences
- "Son by Son"? where is dat? Did you mean Son by Four? If so, fixed.
I think the "A" in "Le Preguntaba A La Luna" can be lowercase as well
- Done
I think the "En" in "Contraste En Salsa" should be lowercase as well
- Done
and "A" and "El" in "Salsa: Un Homenaje A El Gran Combo" as well?
- Done for "A"; "El" is part of their name: El Gran Combo.

If these changes are made, and no other reviewers question my requests, then I would support the promotion of this list. --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:44, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did my best! and thanks! :) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 23:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

Hello. I was checking the list and realized that there is a lot of articles in the nominees section without link, I think you should take another look about it. Jaespinoza (talk) 01:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the opening sentence doesn't need to include the title bolded. It might read better if it was something like "The Latin Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences annually awards an artist or artists for the best salsa album." IDK, I've had some FLC's before where that's suggested, and usually lists start with the bolded title, even though it's not always necessary.
- Yes, it has to be bolded. We have never been asked to unbold it on previous FLCs. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"vocal or instrumental tropical salsa albums containing at least 51% playing time of newly recorded material" - could you expand on that a bit? The "tropical" bit is only in the infobox, which, while interesting and sounds festive, isn't mentioned elsewhere. This wording - "containing at least 51 percent playing time" - is slightly awkward.
- I assume that "tropical" means that the music is from the tropical part of the world. But I don't know. The Academy doesn't specify :/ I refactored the 51% sentence. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - But I'm saying, you mention tropical there but nowhere else. How come? The infobox should have the content that appears elsewhere. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - The infobox does say tropical too, just like the lead. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - No, "tropical" is only mentioned in the infobox, so it should be mentioned at least once in the article (or removed from the Infobox). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Oh, I see. I removed it from the infobox :) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:10, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When you mention "Salsa" in the lede, should it be capitalized or not? Also, it could use a definition somewhere.
- Salsa is a music genre. The deffinition is given on the link :) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think you misunderstand. You switch between using "Salsa" and "salsa". I think there should be consistency. And I think it'd help the article if it was a definition in the article itself, such as wording that the Latin Grammy people use to classify it as salsa. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - The capitalized version refers to the award, while the rest refers to the genre. I can't write "Best salsa Album" because the awards have to be written like the academy puts it. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - I got it now. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned "Latin Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences" earlier, but that should be somewhere in the lede. I think it's important that they're the ones actually presenting the awards. Right?
- I think that this is not necessary. It hasn't been considered so on previous Grammy FLCs. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - But if it's an award, I think it's valuable content of who actually presented the award. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think that it is a bit obvious, and it's not something we're used to do on Grammy lists. Anyways I won't fight over it. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"for her album Celia Cruz and Friends: A Night of Salsa (1999)" - instead of parenthesis, why not - "for her 1999 album 'Celia Cruz'..."?
- because the whole sentence reads: "in 2000 for her album Celia Cruz and Friends: A Night of Salsa (1999).", and having "in 2000 for her 1999 album" reads awkward. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I disagree, I think it works better than having the parenthesis at the end, IMO. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The 2nd image on the right says - "Two-time winners El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico" - but there are more than two people. Could you say which ones are those artists?
- We only specify important records on the lead, such as the artist with more nominations and most wins. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Huh? I'm talking about the image :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Why shall I mention all the two-time winnes on the image? The image is about one of them, and I should mention only them, no? — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - This image has four people. Your image caption doesn't say which person it's referring to. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        They are all members of the group :) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How come some album titles aren't linked and some are red links?
- We only link, mandatorily, the winning albums, even if they are redlinks. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 18:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - But you don't link 2001, 2003, 2006, or 2011's albums. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All in all looks pretty good! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing my comments. Looks good now! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:34, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments! And your support!

— Statυs (talk, contribs) 01:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Well formatted and referenced, no visible problems stick out. FL standard. — Diva Knockouts 18:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I was actually going to work on the list one point, but you got it covered already! :) Erick (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"the 13th Latin Grammy Awards," not sure if all the audience is aware this is the most recent edition...
"Celia Cruz is the most awarded performer in this category, with three wins" needs a full stop.
"Marc Anthony has won the award twice, in 2005 and 2007" ditto.
"Luis Enrique is the first and so far only Nicaraguan to win the award" ditto.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've done them all. Cheers. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 05:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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