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All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2[edit]

Nominator(s): – jona ✉ 01:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article discusses the second installment of All My Hits by the American Tejano singer Selena, which was released five years after her death. As a lesser-known album, I have chosen to feature this specific article for its FA status, owing to the cherished childhood memories I hold of singing these songs on this album with my mother. – jona ✉ 01:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • There doesn't seem to be any structure to the critical reception section at the moment. May I suggest taking a look at WP:RECEPTION for alternatives? While there might be limited album reviews, I would not dedicate one paragraph to one review as this appears WP:UNDUE. Heartfox (talk) 03:32, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I revised the section and tried to summarize what the reviewers wrote. – jona ✉ 13:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heartfox would you mind revisiting the article and checking to see if I fixed the issue or comment that the article is or is not ready for FA promotion? Thanks – jona ✉ 18:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There still doesn't seem to be any thematic organization, it's just three reviews given in a row. Some passages are a bit verbose, i.e. "ultimately deeming the second volume a satisfactory compilation", "underscore her facility for seamlessly transitioning". There is a bit of editorializing, i.e. "however", "noted", "nevertheless". "lighthearted and whimsical narrative" is subjective. "The ongoing dissemination of Selena's albums" is the first time I am reading anything about this; its missing an introductory sentence. newspapers.com sources should be clippings, google books links should link directly to the page and include via=Google Books, the Gale link seems to bring me to an error page, some of the shortened footnotes seem to include a "&" when there is only one author. The article is almost there, it just needs a bit more revision. Heartfox (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Heartfox I went back to several recent FAs and modeled their reception sections to this article, though it is definitely challenging with only three reviews. I removed the comparison to Madonna since I couldn't find a place for it in the revised version. I have replaced the editorialized terms and edited the texts you mentioned that needed attention. I tried clipping the newspapers.com sources but the site would not allow me, saying that my account is not authorized to do so. I added the "search terms" url to the newspapers.com link so that the terms are highlighted. The google books links have given me a hard time; for example, when I land on (https://books.google.com/books?id=ZhAEAAAAMBAJ&) and try to get it to land on page 54 by using (https://books.google.com/books?id=ZhAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA54#v=onepage&q&f=false) which is what a recent FA's link is, it sends me to page 54, but it's not the page it is supposed to be. When scrolling that exact issue, when you go to page 74 and then try to go to page 75, the page numbers switch to page 51, and as I continue, it then lands on the correct page 54. I tried this with other links to Billboard and it does the same phenomenon. I did, however, added the via=Google Books. I fixed the Gale links and the sfn errors. Best – jona ✉ 01:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Given the recent addition of sources plus four more requested at WP:REX, I would suggest withdrawing the nomination at this time. When you think it's complete, I would be happy to do a full review. Heartfox (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2 is a greatest hits album by American singer Selena and was released posthumously on February 29, 2000" => "All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2 is a greatest hits album by American singer Selena released posthumously on February 29, 2000"
  • "expressed his interest in persevering his daughter's memory through her works" => "expressed his interest in preserving his daughter's memory through her works"
  • "The album peaked at number one on the US Billboard Top Latin Albums and Regional Mexican Albums chart" => "The album peaked at number one on the US Billboard Top Latin Albums and Regional Mexican Albums charts" (you are talking about multiple charts)
  • "The album was the second best-selling Regional Mexican Album" - I would say "....of the year" to make absolutely clear you don't mean of all time
  • "Concurrently, the artist was" - I think "At the time, the artist was" would work better
  • "The envisaged crossover album, Dreaming of You was" => "The envisaged crossover album, Dreaming of You, was" (need the comma to close off the clause)
  • "As stated by A. B. Quintanilla, Suzette Quintanilla," - clarify who these people are
  • "to commemorate the label's decennial milestone" - unnecessarily wordy. Just say "the label's tenth anniversary"
  • "The rendition of "No Quiero Saber" on All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2, originates" - no reason for the comma after 2
  • "Initially appearing on Amor Prohibido," => "It initially appeared on Amor Prohibido,"
  • "The seventh track featured on the album, "No Me Queda Más" originates" => "The seventh track featured on the album, "No Me Queda Más", originates"
  • "cited as her last concert before her death" - why "cited as"? Surely it either was her last concert or it wasn't.....
  • It wasn't, but it is universally reported as her final concert. I added a note with a source that clarifies this. – jona ✉ 13:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This is followed by "Muñequito de Trapo", originally featured on the eponymous album, represents" => "This is followed by "Muñequito de Trapo", originally featured on the eponymous album, which represents"
  • "showcases the re-recorded rendition discovered on Ven Conmigo (1990)" - it wasn't really "discovered" on that album. Probably just say "included on"
  • "The album trailed the debuts of Shakira's MTV Unplugged and Los Temerarios's En la Madrugada Se Fue, respectively" - last word is meaningless in this context and should be removed
  • "The album unseated Shakira's MTV Unplugged from the top spot of the Top Latin Albums chart and climbed to number 171 on the Billboard 200" - when?
  • I added that it was during her fifth anniversary, let me know if it'll be better to just write the date. – jona ✉ 13:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2 along with recent releases from Shakira and Los Temerarios, contributed" => "All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2, along with recent releases from Shakira and Los Temerarios, contributed"
  • Under References, you have a sub-heading of "websites", but some (eg Jasinski, Patoski, Perone) are not websites -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was a suggestion during the GA process, but I added back "works cited". Thanks for your review, I really appreciated it! – jona ✉ 13:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the ripped copy of Selena Remembered falls under WP:ELNEVER. Can you justify the use of Smoothvega 2020? --Guerillero Parlez Moi 15:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the link and removed the Smoothvega source. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated! – jona ✉ 13:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Guerillero would you mind revisiting the article and checking to see if I fixed the issue or comment that the article is or is not ready for FA promotion? Thanks – jona ✉ 18:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ceranthor[edit]

  • "To commemorate the label's tenth anniversary, they released All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos in March 1999, achieving commercial success and prompting the announcement of a sequel." - who is they? Suggest replacing with a more specific name.
  • "spanning from tracks featured on Selena's Muñequito de Trapo (1987) to the posthumous 1997 club remix of "Enamorada de Ti" (1990)." - "spanning from" should be tweaked as spanning generally doesn't have a preposition after it. Suggest "spanning" or "ranging from"
  • "The album peaked at number one on the US Billboard Top Latin Albums and Regional Mexican Albums charts, and reached number 149 on the Billboard 200." - don't need the comma
  • "John Lannert, a Latin music columnist for Billboard, posited that All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2 attests to Selena's "legendary status" and her sustained capacity to attain the summit, notwithstanding her death transpiring five years prior." - suggest cutting this sentence. One critic's opinion is not needed in the lead.
  • "denoting 200,000 units consisting of shipments in the United States." - Is "consisting of" necessary? Not sure it is.
  • "At the time, the artist was engrossed in the development of a crossover, designed to propel her into the American pop market." - crossover album? Crossover what, specifically?
  • "The aftermath of her death yielded adverse consequences for Latin music, as Tejano music—which she had thrust into the mainstream market—experienced a decline in popularity in the wake of her death.[5][6][7] " - did the "aftermath" of her death do that, though? Or her death itself?
  • "The ongoing dissemination of Selena's oeuvre fulfills a commitment made by Abraham Quintanilla to his family in the aftermath of his daughter's death, vowing to perpetuate Selena's memory through her music.[11][12][13]" - This is awfully flowery. Could say the same with a lot less words.
  • I hope the new revision is satisfactory. – jona ✉ 23:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Selena reigned as the record label's most commercially successful performer.[17] " - Not sure "reigned" is appropriately encyclopedic language
  • "EMI Latin's president, José Behar, who initially discovered the singer at the 1989 Tejano Music Awards, recognized her contributions that made EMI Latin "the house that Selena built".[16]" - "initially discovered" is redundant
  • I removed "initially". – jona ✉ 23:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The compilation encompasses 16 tracks, spanning from compositions" - same note as above
  • "was initially slated for inclusion on the Don Juan DeMarco (1995) soundtrack, yet was ultimately shelved by music producers.[28]" - don't need the comma before yet
  • "protagonist's pursuit of "the guy in apartment 512".[29]" - romantic pursuit?
  • ""Tú Robaste Mi Corazón", initially recorded as a duet with Emilio Navaira, underwent re-recording with Pete Astudillo for Siempre Selena (1996); " - not sure a song can undergo re-recording... I'd rephrase as "was re-recorded with"
  • I'd argue some of the quotes in the music section should be moved to critical reception.
  • Do you think it would be appropriate to transfer the reviews present in the "music" section to the critical reception section, considering that they are evaluations provided by critics for other albums that feature the same versions included in this album? – jona ✉ 23:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "An AllMusic review posited" - by whom? Unlisted author?
  • The source does not specify. – jona ✉ 23:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Nevertheless, Lannert maintained that All My Hits: Todos Mis Éxitos Vol. 2 serves as a testament to Selena's "legendary status" and her enduring capacity to reach the number one position, even five years posthumously." - I think "served" rather than "serves" would make more sense tense-wise

These are some examples I picked up from a first pass. Unfortunately, I have to oppose for now per criterion 1A. I think the prose needs some revision before it meets the FA standard. ceranthor 19:38, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your review, I have gone through the article and corrected the issues you brought up. Let me know if the prose is still not on par and I'll give it another go. Thanks – jona ✉ 23:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Compilation albums don't really need a personnel except for new songs of course. In this case, I would just mention the credits for "Cien Años" like I did on Grandes Éxitos (Luis Miguel album)#Personnel. Once the my issue and the others have been addressed, I will gladly support this article! Erick (talk) 13:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

As this candidacy has been open for almost 4 weeks and is not making significant progress towards a consensus to promote, this is at risk of being archived in another couple days. Hog Farm Talk 17:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have pinged two previous commenters and asked if they'd be willing to provide a comment or two on whether or not the article meets FA standards. I also pinged the GA reviewer to see if he'd be willing to comment as well. Thanks – jona ✉ 18:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I submitted a request through WP:REX for four pay-walled links that could help expand the article and have asked a few to review the article. Best – jona ✉ 15:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@FAC coordinators: I would like to withdraw this nomination since it was suggested. I'll expand the article once the sources from REX are provided and re-nominate at a later time. Thanks – jona ✉ 16:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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