I would like to contest the deletion of three pages:
deleted under "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". These are long-standing pages contributed to by multiple people, not just created by one user. Parkrun is a charity, so nobody is editing here for commercial gain. Whether any promotion is "unambiguous" is up for debate and I feel this issue could be solved through normal editing.
I did request the deleting administrator, @Jimfbleak: undelete them and allow them to go through articles for deletion if required, but my request was turned down.
Thanks all Garuda3 (talk) 11:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Worth adding as well, Jimfbleak was not the nominator. I don't know who the nominator was. Garuda3 (talk) 12:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse:
I haven't seen the deleted material, but am guessing that it was at least as promotional as the material that has been inserted in Parkrun, much of which is non-neutral.
- It has been my experience that I can trust the judgment of Jimfbleak as to what should be deleted as G11.
- The "multiple people" may be meatpuppets of a non-profit organization.
- Promotion is not limited to commercial promotion. Promotional content by non-profit organizations is also subject to deletion.
Allow Creation and Review of Drafts in draft space just so that the community can view the material. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Temporarily undeleted for this DRV. CC'ing User:Robert McClenon in case you want to take another look. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Extraordinary Writ. Apart from perhaps the numbers listed from the parkrun website I'm not seeing anything overly promotional on those pages. Garuda3 (talk) 19:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Not seeing this as promotional per se, but I get why it could be viewed as such. overturn speedy, send to AfD where it will likely be deleted for issues with WP:NLIST, WP:NOTDIR and the GNG. If the closer doesn't want to list them, ping me and I will. Hobit (talk) 20:35, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn G11, send to AfD entirely per Hobit: NOTDIR is the biggest hurdle here, not promotionalism. I get how an editor and admin might differ on that, but speedy deletion is a rather blunt tool to solve this problem, when a more nuanced discussion is likely to be beneficial, and at the very least provide a more definitive record of why we decided not to host these here, if that is indeed the outcome. Jclemens (talk) 21:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn there's somewhat of a degree of ambiguity here, to my mind the "unambiguous" threshold is not met. Better to be tested at AfD against NLIST and/or OKFORK. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn these might well be deleted under WP:NOT, but they're aren't G11 candidates. Hut 8.5 10:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn G11, send to AfD agree with Jclemens that this is a NOTDIR case rather than a clear G11. G11 should only be used in unambiguous cases and there's enough ambiguity here. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn. Some of the leading prose content feels promotional, but the pages would not need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as inoffensive, encyclopedically formatted lists—in form if not in substance, as they may not meet the guidelines for standalone lists.—Alalch E. 13:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn speedy does not appear to be a clear case of G11. Can be sent to AFD if any user so chooses. Frank Anchor 14:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn G11 and Send to AFD, concurring with Jclemens and Spiderone. The deleting administrator was answering the wrong question, whether the lists should be deleted, rather than whether they should be speedily deleted as G11. The issue is one of list notability, to be answered at AFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Robert McClenon:: You appear to have inadvertently !voted twice on this DRV, once further up for "allow creation and review of drafts" and then here for "overturn and send to AFD". Would you be so good as to strike one or other. Stifle (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn and list at AFD. Clearly not G11, but seems likely to be deletable for other reasons. Stifle (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- To add to that – something promoting a non-profit or charity can still be deleted for G11; "promotional" is not limited to "commercial" (and ParkRun skirts that line very, very closely in any event). I think this list is deletable under (for example) WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR, but that is a matter that must properly go to AFD. Stifle (talk) 08:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse as nominator. Entirely promotional. Nothing but linkfarms for that organisation. Wikipedia is not a free mirror for businesses promotional content. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- What got into you? You have some kind of personal vendetta against parkrun? Or are you incapable of correctly identifying promotional content? This speedy request was abysmal and the approving admin was lost. Probably makes sense since they were given adminship in december. Willbb234 16:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- It’s even worse when you consider they even tagged Parkrun itself, which is indisputably notable. Garuda3 (talk) 16:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Just for the record, the deleting admin has been an admin since 2003, not since December. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Overturn. No case for speedy under G11. There could be a case for deletion. gidonb (talk) 21:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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