- Odaine Démar (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
Restore, as he appears to have played more/been sourced more to have an article thus causing someone to AfC one again. WylieCoyote (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, at least for now. It shouldn't be a straight G4, as this version has sources unlike the most recently deleted version. However, the team he plays for is in the third tier of Canadian football (I have no idea what this means in terms of notability), at least two of the references (including the most significant assertion of importance, appearing for the Jamaican U20 team) are to forums and a third is to Facebook. A couple of other references are to what might be primary sources. Absent better sources I don't think this would survive an AfD, so I'm not recommending it's restoration at this point. That said I've not looked for reliable sources and I have limited subject knowledge. Thryduulf (talk) 04:01, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Restore, There are articles on the Wikipedia database less notable than this article. To respond to your comment on the sources; Kingston FC his current club had there website removed so their Facebook was used to communicate. Regarding the Jamaica U-20 source no their was no squad list available on the Internet so that was the best source available. Odaine is very well known and a notable person internationally. I don't see why much less notable people are on Wikipedia and he isn't. I kindly ask for this article to be unsalted and approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 06:11, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because there's other rubbish articles on Wikipedia doesn't mean another one is OK. It's not as though these other articles have received a stamp of approval. Maybe they ought to be deleted as well, but nobody's noticed them yet. Reyk YO! 10:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- oppose I see no issues with the close. Whether an article could be created or not doesn't mean the previous unsourced one should be restored. It's also doubtful whether any of the leagues satisfy WP:NSOCCER (i.e they aren't listed at WP:FPL), but I think it's clear that they aren't contributing much to his notability. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Restore, How can a player playing for a club in San Marino and the Maltese 2nd division be listed and not a young prospect such as this player. He has much more creditability than most football articles on the database. I full understand you point made but since there are articles on here which this one empowers why not take your time to remove those and add this instead. Again if you do your research you will see this player is someone well known and qualifies to be on the Wiikipedia database. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Tiziano_Mottola Simone Confalone Matthew Cocks just to name a few. These players have not played internationally nor for a recognized club outside of the countries they currently play in. I don't see what the big fuss is as I could find articles on here with illegal false written, sport athletes who don't qualify yet this article is being given such a fight. There numerous players from the same league as this player on the Wikipedia database there are even players on here that play lower than the CSL but yet are listed. I don't see the harm in restoring this article because I've looked over the history of this article and I have to agree with the argument made in the "Articles for creation" page discussing for this player that the information now given is better than the last submitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Simone Confalone played in Serie A, there is no article on Matthew Cocks (footballer), and Tiziano Mottola does indeed appear to be non-notable. I will PROD the article. GiantSnowman 17:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There thousands if not more articles on the database that are not notable but yet still exists and this article I feel does somewhat qualify. I believe you should do some research before denying this article because from what I see on the article I believe he is more notable than a lot of articles in the database. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There are plenty of non-notable articles - but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You have to demonstrate the notability of this individual, not the non-notability of others. You have failed to do this so far. GiantSnowman 17:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I have proven his notability. He has played in the CSL for 2 different clubs just like many other players with articles on the database, he was a Jamaica U-20 call up. I believe his notability is the same if not better than most articles on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 17:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You have made claims to notability certainly. But what matters is not the notability of these claims relative to other articles (which are entirely irrelevant to this discussion), but to the notability criteria. It is not clear that playing for CSL teams is sufficient to give notability (see above), If he has played for the Jamaican team (I'm not sure just being in the squad is enough), then that probably does. However, this claim (nor any of the others) is not backed up with a citation to a reliable source, and I can't find one at all. Additionally, I'm not seeing any in-depth coverage of him in any sources, reliable or otherwise, meaning that he doesn't meet the general notability guideline criteria. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review DGG ( talk ) 00:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- In regards to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and the reason I brought the issue here. Several other editors during AfC's November drive approved far-less-notable sportspeople. — WylieCoyote (talk) 09:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- So? If articles about non-notable people have been approved then nominate them for deletion. If you think the notability criteria being applied here are too strict then get consensus to change them. Neither makes other articles at all relevant to whether Odaine Démar meets the criteria as they are at present. Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If you are not aware, in order for a country to be regulated by FIFA or to compete in any FIFA organized competition the country must have a professional or a recognized league; check FIFA.com if you are not aware of this. The Canadian Soccer League (CSL) is recognized as Canada's pro league or the highest level of soccer within Canada. If you check the list on leagues approved by Wikipedia you will see the CSL was once listed and a official update should be done to add the current CSL league. Therefore I believe the player in question as enough notability to be added to the Wikipedia database. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a blatantly false statement - there are dozens and dozens of FIFA member countries that do not have a professional - or even semi-professional - league system in place. GiantSnowman 16:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If you took your time to read you would clearly see I wrote "a professional or a recognized league". The CSL is Canada's recognized league. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.42.34 (talk) 01:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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