Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 August 23

Fatjon Tafaj – Articles userified for improvement with agreement of the appellant. – Jclemens (talk) 03:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

This deletion was a mass deletion of 6 players. The closing admin correctly waited for 7 days, so the deletion is technically valid. The were two arguments which were brought up as to validate the deletion: (1) Insatisfaction of GNG and (2) Insatisfaction of NFOOTY (Albanian Superliga not being fully pro). For the insatisfaction of GNG, I feel that some of the 6 players which were deleted can have a better chance to stay in Wikipedia, especially Vangjel Mile and Erjon Vucaj (the last one was convocated by Albania last week in the game against Moldova). In addition, right after this deletion took place user:Oltianruci brought the source that the Albanian Superliga is fully pro, and I properly referenced. I cleared the issue with User:Sir Sputnik, who brought the players to deletion: he kindly promissed to not object to this DRV, as now there are sufficient sources that the Albanian Superliga is fully pro. I also tried to solve with the closing admin, but given his inexperience with football, he suggested that I go to DRV. Since the reasons to delete were (1) GNG insatisfaction and (2) League is not fully pro, and since (2) is fully satisfied, a good part of the grounds why the players were deleted in the AfD are no longer there. I henceforth ask for an individual relist to AfD, in order to be able to discuss case by case GNG satisfaction of each of these players. Albaniafutboll (talk) 14:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The articles were originally deleted for failing WP:NFOOTBALL; new evidence has come to light that they may now pass NFOOTBALL. However, NFOOTBALL is secondary to WP:GNG, and I have concerns restoring basic stubs that may never be improved straight to mainspace - therefore I suggest we userfy all 6 to Albaniafutboll's user space so they can improve on them, before we agree to move some, if not all, to mainspace. GiantSnowman 15:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I think your concern is valid and reasonable, and I agree to having the stubs userfied to my user space. Thanks! Albaniafutboll (talk) 15:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yeah, that is a good idea. I've moved the 7 articles from the Afd to your userspace so you can work on them. I have no objections to their restoration afterwards, although I suggest you let GiantSnowman or another user from the football wikiproject take a glance at them before moving back to mainspace. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'll notify GiantSnowman before sending to main space: that's prudent and good advice. I also involved Oltianruci, the original creator of the articles, and we'll work together on them. Thanks!Albaniafutboll (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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