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Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The purpose of this category is unclear. Some categories were added manually, while others are tagged by Template:Category class — based on the template's source code, this happens if and only if the name is incorrect. 
{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}{{subst:!}}{{PAGENAME:{{{class}}}{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{class{{subst:!}}}}}}}{{subst:!}}unassessed{{subst:!}}{{subst:!}}-Class}} {{{topic}}} articles}}{{subst:!}}
   {{subst:!}}[[Category:WikiProject assessment categories needing attention]]
  }}
–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked WP:AWBREQ to auto-tag all of the categories here that are manually added, almost all of which have only the category listing in their source code. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wait, Category:Template Category class with class parameter not matching title exists. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can {{Category class}} handle pages like Category:Disambig-Class Bihar articles of Low-importance‎? It has both class and importance. Gonnym (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I don't think there is an existing template that covers cateegory navigation for the quality–importance intersection. I'm also seeking to standardize category names fo this type with a recent WP:CFDS for the intersectional ones of WikiProject Amphibians and reptiles. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:All WikiProject Color pages[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. I realize my mistake now, and am going to edit the category's header to remove a misused template. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No other WikiProject has a comprehensive list of members. It is also tagged as NA-Class, which does not match the intended purpose. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This category feeds the user:HotArticlesBot for updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Color/Hot articles. Curran919 (talk) 09:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03: There are literally hundreds of such categories, including Category: All WikiProject Medicine articles, Category: WikiProject Geology articles, Category: WikiProject Biology articles, Category: WikiProject Agriculture articles, etc. They are created by the WikiProject templates. And NA class is for "A page that does not fit into any other category. Used as a 'catch-all' by all WikiProjects." That seems to be a good place to put something like a tracking category used by software (rather than a category intended for human browsing). Nosferattus (talk) 14:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Television series based on novels[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Categories without a clear point of distinction from their parents. In theory, a distinction could be drawn between television series and television films, but the parent category isn't actually doing that: there's no Category:Television films based on novels at all, and instead virtually everything in Category:Television shows based on novels or its "Television shows based on [Country] novels" subcategories is a series (sometimes even with this and one or more of those both sitting alongside each other), so in actual practice this undergrown sapling is just duplicating the parent tree unnecessarily. And even populating it more fully would just entail moving virtually everything out of the parents anyway, so they'd still just be fundamentally redundant to each other.
I'm willing to withdraw this if there's any kind of editorial will to start creating and populating "Television films based on novels" categories to sister this, but as things currently stand this isn't offering a clear differentiation from its parent. Bearcat (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:B-Class vital articles in Games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Categories for vital article classifications that do not exist, and some others of questionable usefulness. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X in the Republic of Artsakh[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Country no longer exists, so there is no justification to keeping these around. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history (an example of an indirect relationship is a people subcategory). We do not have e.g. Category:Mountains of the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The Republic of Artsakh no longer exists, and all of these are likely in a subcategory of Category:Populated places in Azerbaijan. There is no clear consensus on what happens if a country ceases to exist — the only other times this happened during Wikipedia's existence was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 2003, and Serbia and Montenegro in 2006. The most recent precedent I could find was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_December_13#Architecture_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro, but there are older precedents such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/February_2007#Category:Wikipedians_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_7#Category:Indoor_arenas_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro which happened shortly after Serbia and Montenegro ceased to exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wikipedia stores historical information as well. When the country existed, it had various things. - Altenmann >talk 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Most of these objects still exist — by that logic, we should have Category:Populated places in Yugoslavia. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I see nothing wrong with such a useful category. - Altenmann >talk 00:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, we only keep content about former countries insofar they are directly or indirectly related to history. We do have a Category:Roman towns and cities because of its significance for archaeology, but that is not applicable here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Artsakh is history, and Artsakh content should be in history categories, not geography categories. If we categorize every place on Earth by every former administrative division they were in at one point, there will be no end to that. It's perfectly fine to have articles about the defunct provinces and other subdivisions of Artsakh though. Place Clichy (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Submerged settlements in X[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Settlement is not standard for categories, and there is no reason to limit the categories to settlements. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Settlements demolished to make room for airports[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category name is not standardized, but because there is no parallel I am not sure if it should exist. Should we have a Category:Populated places forcibly depopulated by eminent domain for the non-ghost towns on the list? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition[edit]

Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This question is part of a wider issue concerning the categorisation of "Polish people" during the Partition period from 1795 to 1918. Last year I tried to address it, but no consensus emerged: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland/Archive 19#Categorisation of Category:Polish people of the partition period.
In short: we'll need to choose whether we mean "Polish" as an ethnicity (as Marcocapelle suggested), or as a nationality (as Mason is indirectly suggesting, since Category:Polish activists is in the Category:Activists by nationality tree). Ethnicity is always a difficult one to establish and results in lots of sourcing problems, and it means we can't put these people in the Category:Polish people tree (because it is part of the Category:People by nationality tree). So nationality seems the best approach. For our purposes here, the Prussian partition is best understood as the Grand Duchy of Posen, though it is a little more complicated than that (I'll get back to that).
But how do we grant a Polish "nationality" in a time when they did not have a state? My proposal was to recognise certain historic non-sovereign entities as "Polish":
1815:
  Grand Duchy of Posen (Prussian Partition)
  Congress Poland (Russian Partition)
  Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria (Austrian Partition)
  Free City of Kraków (independent until 1846)
Should we categorise all inhabitants of these polities as having "Polish nationality", or not? Currently, only inhabitants of Congress Poland and the preceding Duchy of Warsaw are deliberately categorised as Category:Polish people.
Until we resolve that question, it's probably difficult to do anything with these Polish Partition categories. We do not want to erase Polish history, but it's really challenging to categorise it either. NLeeuw (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For the second time, thoughts on the (new) alt rename target Smasongarrison?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish Palestine Liberation Organization members[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCEGRS and possibly WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Defining characteristic WP:COPDEF, not some random members of the PLO who happen to be Jewish. No, their significance is in being Jewish members of the PLO. --Yabroq (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: this person is the creator of this category. Either way, one article is not enough to justify keeping a category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Drake & Josh video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Category only consists of two articles. There were no other Drake and Josh games produced. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 18:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roman generals[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but that's not really responsive to nom. It's not helpful to have a Category:Roman generals by century when there's not even a regular generals by century category.Mason (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 18:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada[edit]

Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. See also recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • do not merge There is nothing stated in WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN that requires the deletion of geographic sub-categories within a 'battles of xx war' category. And doing so will harm the reader's navigation to desired articles, forcing them to mentally merge several requests together and open and read multiple articles together to obtain information such as 'what are the battles of the War of 1812 in Canada?' or 'what are the battles of the war of 1812 in Ontario?' WP information consists not only of article content but also the category structure. This is destroying content. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bengali–Assamese script[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There is a single Bengali–Assamese script shared between the two languages, even though they use different alphabets. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, there are multiple scripts for both languages (note the plural "scripts"), and the Bengali–Assamese script is one of these scripts used and shared by both languages (with minor differences), but there are other scripts (like Naoriya Phulo script). Look at the category content, they clearly cannot be merged as their listed scripts are not the same. They are not all the same single script. Only the Bengali-Assamese script (just named "Bengali script" in Unicode and also named "Eastern Nagari") is unified; the other scripts are distinct. As well within the "Bengali alphabet" and "Assamese alphabet" (which are relevant parts of the shared script specific to each language) are not the same (just like there are multiple Latin-base alphabets). verdy_p (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are only two articles about scripts in both categories, the rest has been added as a matter of loose association. Propose to move these two articles to the two parent categories and then delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if[edit]

Nominator's rationale: merge/delete for now, currently only 1-2 articles in each category, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cricket organizations[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Serves no purpose, as the only contents are a subcat that is in the same parent cat as the category being discussed. Gjs238 (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jesuit musicians[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection between occupation and religion Mason (talk) 23:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. The people in this category should be moved to Category:Jews from Maine. That leaves one synagogue and a school. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This plan is not a good one, as both synagogue articles are already in Category:Religious buildings and structures in Portland, Maine.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging those who participated in December's discussion User:Smasongarrison, User:Jahaza, User:LaundryPizza03, User:Place Clichy.--User:Namiba 15:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That previous discussion was a no consensus. Place Clichy (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why though? The name of the category clearly indicates that it should include individual people (Jews) as well as Jewish institutions. Unless there is a mass rename, that doesn't make sense. Jewish elected officials (for example) are obviously defined by their connection to the city.--User:Namiba 12:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historical geography[edit]

I can't imagine that these are fundamentally different concepts. I have tagged both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Option 2 Main article is Historical geography, while Geographic history redirects to History of geography. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Adding a representative sample of subcats to encourage further participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 09:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cross-platform free software (BSD; Linux; macOS; Windows)[edit]

Propose merging to all parents:
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/trivial intersection. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Per nom, this sort of disambiguation does not follow Wikipedia policy in the slightest. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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