Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 27
July 27
[edit]Category:Expatriates from the Kingdom of Prussia in Congress Poland
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Prussia to the Russian Empire. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is extremely narrow, has only one person in it, and neither of these nations presently exist. Mason (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle except the article is about an emigrant rather than an expatriate, so I would suggest moving the article to Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Prussia to the Russian Empire instead of the proposed merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison? — Qwerfjkltalk 11:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with me Mason (talk) 12:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison? — Qwerfjkltalk 11:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 4#Category:Imperial Army (Holy Roman Empire) personnel
Category:19th-century Uzbekistani people by occupation
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 11:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one occupation in here, and it seems unlikely that this category will be needed anytime soon. Mason (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Video games about crime
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 4#Category:Video games about crime
Category:Video games about the military
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Video games about the military to Category:Military and war video games
- Nominator's rationale: This category is now a subcategory of Category:Video games by narrative genre. For the sake of consistency with other subcats in this category, it should be renamed with the subject up front instead of "Video games about...". Besides, this is new name would just roll off the tongue better IMO. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- In the previous discussion a good point was made that "military" instead of "war" makes it more managable. With a bit of exaggeration almost every video game contains elements of war, that is too broad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I think "Military and war video games" isn't too ambiguous of a title. I think that name implies exactly that, games which thematically revolve around militaries and military conflicts. It's not about any generic violent conflict, some game about a gang war belongs in Category:Organized crime video games for example. AHI-3000 (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Comedy video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 11:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: As per Comedy in video games there is no proof that a "comedy video game" genre actually exists, and while there are categories for "parody" or "satire", that is more self-evident. Comedy comes in numerous forms, making the separation between comedic and non-comedic unclear (I could call Garry's Mod a "comedy" game even if it is all unintentional). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What about licensed video game adaptations of comedy movies and shows? Category:Parody video games and Category:Satirical video games have significant overlap with this category, I'd argue many of the games listed here could be categorized as comedy games, what makes these subcategories more legit than the parent category? AHI-3000 (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Parody and satire might actually merit a merge into each other, but they are indicative of a clear attempt to mock the original source material which is quickly evident. McPixel is obviously a parody of MacGuyver. Meanwhile, comedic video games are rarely classified as such. I don't see anyone calling Drakengard 3 a comedy game despite in my experience being heavily humorous, people classify it as an action game. Comedy and parody/satire are not the same. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What about licensed video game adaptations of comedy movies and shows? Category:Parody video games and Category:Satirical video games have significant overlap with this category, I'd argue many of the games listed here could be categorized as comedy games, what makes these subcategories more legit than the parent category? AHI-3000 (talk) 07:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per previous category deletion in 2017 after a similar discussion. No such genre is discussed in reliable, secondary sources as associated with these entries and makes for blurry inclusion criteria. The "subcategories" do not require this parent category. czar 12:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do any "reliable sources" claim that there's evidence of a Parody or Satire genre for video games either? How are these terms any less subjective or more objective than for Comedy games? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I seriously have no idea whether there are comedic video games. I am not familiar with sources on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- At least with parody or satire reliable sources might discuss it as being a major trait. Rarely the case with "comedy/comedic" games. I wouldn't oppose deleting the parody and satire subcategories but imagine they're most useful to breakdown the overall "satire" category into something more browsable. czar 16:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I seriously have no idea whether there are comedic video games. I am not familiar with sources on this topic. Dimadick (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: What do you think of this? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do any "reliable sources" claim that there's evidence of a Parody or Satire genre for video games either? How are these terms any less subjective or more objective than for Comedy games? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Google search for "comedy video games".
- Not sure how many of these websites are considered to be reliable sources according to Wikipedia policies, but for what it's worth there does seem to be a belief that Comedy exists as a narrative genre for video games, akin to Horror, Fantasy or Science Fiction.
- Also, please take a look at the "Comedy video games" category. Admittedly, most of the subcategories are for licensed adaptations of various film and TV franchises which everyone agrees are primarily comedic by nature. Games based on comedy movies and shows tend to also be comedic and heavily focused on humor.
- And another thing to consider is that there are non-adaptational video game franchises that are known for having a mostly comedic tone. Some notable examples are Borderlands, Destroy All Humans!, Monkey Island, Ratchet & Clank, and Saints Row. And I'm quite certain that there are countless reliable sources which describe these games' focus on humor and satire.
- AHI-3000 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games,
Unlike film and television, "comedy" is not a defining genre of video games—not used academically and not used as a thematic genre in reviews.
Elements can be discussed as comedic but games are not discussed as genre classification ("a comedy") the same way they are discussed as "a satire" or "a parody". czar 16:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)- Can you give a more recent argument than an old discussion from 2017? Can you disprove the examples I gave of the comedic video game series I mentioned, with reviewers and other sources describing their focus on humorous elements? Or the numerous video game adaptations of comedy movies and TV shows? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think WP:THREE applies here. Asking people to sort through thousands of google search results isn't a particularly compelling argument. If you think "comedy game" is a real genre, find your best 3 sources that establish that and post them. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can you give a more recent argument than an old discussion from 2017? Can you disprove the examples I gave of the comedic video game series I mentioned, with reviewers and other sources describing their focus on humorous elements? Or the numerous video game adaptations of comedy movies and TV shows? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, here is a Finnish interview about comedy video games with three developers (discussing e.g. what makes a game comedic and how it relates to interactivity) by Pelit: https://www.pelit.fi/artikkelit/huumoripelit-haastattelut/ --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games,
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete. Attempt to revive a deleted category that editors considered non-defining, comedy just appears to be a quirk or an unintentional mishap when it comes to video games. I am also considering that AHI-3000's new "Video games by narrative genre" category to be merged back into "Video games by theme." or at least just remove the parent category "Video games by genre" from that category... QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree that there's no evidence that such a genre exists, and this horse has already been beaten before. Looking myself, I can find a few mentions of the idea of it as a category, but not enough to establish that it's a well-defined thing. ― novov (t c) 06:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete In a technical sense, a comedy is a story with a happy ending. I understand that the meaning has slipped in popular culture to describe humor. But none of these things are defining features of video games. It leads to an arbitrary category where editors are guessing how much humor needs to be involved before a game can be considered a comedy. It is unverifiable and impractical to maintain. Shooterwalker (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is inherently meaningless, so there's no such genre, so WP:RSes do not authoritatively define it. It has already been correctly deleted, and it would have failed a proposal, but the dead-horse-beater didn't propose it for a pre-deletion rejection. So it must be deleted now, like everybody above said. "Humorous elements" is meaningless and does not define a genre. Blurting out a Google search is meaningless. This is WP:ILIKEIT WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. — Smuckola(talk) 03:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:National military histories by war
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 11:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, after a few earlier closures there are only two subcategories left here and they are quite unrelated, it is highly unlikely that someone would want to navigate from one subcategory to the other. By deleting the category all content still remains part of the tree of Category:Military history by war as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison and PearlyGigs: pinging contributors to earlier discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Thanks for cleaning this up!! Mason (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Members of the Fourth Aliyah
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Fourth AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Fourth Aliyah to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Propose dispersing
- Nominator's rationale: disperse, period of 1924-1929 is arbitrary and we have diffused these migrants already by country of origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging
Category:Members of the First AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the First Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine - Propose merging
Category:Members of the Second AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Second Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine - Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Third AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Third Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine - Propose dispersing
Category:Members of the Fifth AliyahCategory:Immigrants of the Fifth Aliyah to Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Propose merging
- I have added the siblings too, they are based on equally arbitrary periods. If not merged, then at least rename "members" to "migrants" or something like that. It does not concern membership of an organization. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/disperse per Marco's second proposal. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, Marco. That’s not going to happen. This is a category specific to the period of the Fourth Aliyah, which was 5 years. We do not want to merge it into a 20 year period of immigration. Dag21902190 (talk) 07:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- These are not arbitrary periods, you are flexing your ignorance of Israeli history.
- Furthermore, believe it or not, definition of a “member” is “one of the individuals of a group”. The group of individuals who migrated to the Land of Israel during each Aliyah was a “member” of that respective Aliyah. They have been referred to as members of their respective Aliyot since the founding of the state.
- if you want to change the word “member” for “migrant”, you will have to figure out how to change that on each person’s page. But your statement that “member” only refers to the “member of an organization”, is not true. It is your perspective of the word, but not reality.
- I will note that the time you have dedicated to coming after these unique categories, and attempting to disperse them into the ether, piques my interest. You have spent hours attacking Israeli categories and pages, wasting time that could have been used being productive.
- We will not be doing anything to the categories, as that would be denying the reality of each unique Aliyah.
- I’m starting to have serious questions about the moderators of this platform. Everything Israel-related gets attacked non-stop (in an organized fashion), by people like you, who don’t even know what the Aliyot were! Making claims that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time-period is a blatant lie, and your privileges should be investigated. This is bizarre. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, I find it absolutely fascinating that you nominated the first five Aliyot for dispersal, but left out the Aliyah Bet category. Is it because Aliyah Bet was illegal immigration, and doesn’t make the Jews look good? So you wanted to disperse one through five, and keep just the illegal immigration?
- This entire nomination should be ignored, and the bias you’ve shown by nominating it should come back and bite you. Dag21902190 (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1st. Category:Aliyah Bet does not contain immigrants, it is a topic category. So that is something completely different. 2nd. Every of these Aliyahs is not a single group, they concern a process of several years with many separate groups and individuals. Group membership is therefore completely inapplicable here. 3rd. Please stop with personal attacks. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not sure what you don’t understand, and the reason you keep doubling down on a subject you know nothing about is beyond me. Each Aliyah had its own unique movement. The facilitators of those Aliyot knew that they were facilitating the first, second, third, fourth, fifth Aliyah, and then Aliyah Bet. These categories organize the early Zionist immigrants to the land of Israel by the specific Aliyah movements that facilitated their immigration. To deny the benefits of these categories, and continue to gaslight me, is just a disingenuous tactic. I frankly consider the mass nominations of my categories for” deletion” and “merging” as vandalism, and an overreach of your privileges. You are not a victim here, you are the attacker. Dag21902190 (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Only now I notice that you have created Category:Members of Aliyah Bet too. I will nominate this category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1st. Category:Aliyah Bet does not contain immigrants, it is a topic category. So that is something completely different. 2nd. Every of these Aliyahs is not a single group, they concern a process of several years with many separate groups and individuals. Group membership is therefore completely inapplicable here. 3rd. Please stop with personal attacks. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose dispersing Category:Members of Aliyah Bet to the tree of Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine
- Comment Categories were prematurely emptied by the nominator. Dag21902190. This should have waited until this discussion concluded. Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: not by nominator, but by creator of these categories. They have manually moved the articles from "Members" to "Immigrants". That is a waste of effort because the move could have done by a bot if there was consensus for it. I have updated the proposal accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You should be investigated by Wikipedia for overreach of your editing privileges. You are stalking my page, attempting to merge all of my work into broader categories that don’t differentiate between Aliyot, (which is the entire point of these categories). This is the 12th category of mine that you have vandalized with some sort of banner, and for no good reason other than it relates to Israel. You didn’t like the word “member”, so I changed it to ”immigrant”. Now you’re making a blatantly false claim that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time period. It doesn’t matter to you if you revise history, as long as you prevent a compartmentalized gold-mine of information, like these categories, from existing. You are working hard to prevent any sort of organization that makes it easy to research the early history of Israel. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing happened in 1924 that requires a category split for immigrants. It was simply a continuous inflow of immigrants. In addition, my proposal is not preventing anything because all articles will stay in Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine. Finally these are no longer "your" categories, as soon as you create them they become Wikipedia's. See also WP:OWN. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect, please do more research. Case in point would be that nearly half of the 2nd Aliyah immigrants returned to their countries of origin, while the vast majority of immigrants of the 3rd Aliyah stayed in Israel. They were two separate waves, with totally different results Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see how that matters. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect, please do more research. Case in point would be that nearly half of the 2nd Aliyah immigrants returned to their countries of origin, while the vast majority of immigrants of the 3rd Aliyah stayed in Israel. They were two separate waves, with totally different results Dag21902190 (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing happened in 1924 that requires a category split for immigrants. It was simply a continuous inflow of immigrants. In addition, my proposal is not preventing anything because all articles will stay in Category:Immigrants to Ottoman Palestine and Category:Immigrants to Mandatory Palestine. Finally these are no longer "your" categories, as soon as you create them they become Wikipedia's. See also WP:OWN. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- You should be investigated by Wikipedia for overreach of your editing privileges. You are stalking my page, attempting to merge all of my work into broader categories that don’t differentiate between Aliyot, (which is the entire point of these categories). This is the 12th category of mine that you have vandalized with some sort of banner, and for no good reason other than it relates to Israel. You didn’t like the word “member”, so I changed it to ”immigrant”. Now you’re making a blatantly false claim that each Aliyah is an arbitrary time period. It doesn’t matter to you if you revise history, as long as you prevent a compartmentalized gold-mine of information, like these categories, from existing. You are working hard to prevent any sort of organization that makes it easy to research the early history of Israel. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, Marcocapelle, I saw the comment they inserted in your nomination and thought they were the nominator. What is going to happen with all of these "Member" categories that are now empty? Will they be turned into redirects if this proposal goes through? Liz Read! Talk! 20:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: I can imagine your confusion about what happened. If nothing else happens these categories will become eligible for deletion as empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: not by nominator, but by creator of these categories. They have manually moved the articles from "Members" to "Immigrants". That is a waste of effort because the move could have done by a bot if there was consensus for it. I have updated the proposal accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep. I don't see a convincing argument to disperse. Marco points out 5 year periods are arbitrary, but so are centuries. If, as Dag states, there exists a mode of reference that divides the immigrants into 5 periods, and someone may reasonably be taking advantage of that division to differentiate between 2 immigrants from different periods, I don't see any reason to disperse. If Dag just invented this division himself I would agree, but my impression is that this isn't the case. JoeJShmo💌 23:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)not extended confirmed HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Weak keep I'm not confident they can be dismissed as arbitrary periods - insofar that distinct push and pull factors during the different periods makes each wave have its own characteristics - but even if arbitrary periods of early immigration, they are well recognised as distinct periods (at least within Jewish scholarship). Culturally, also, the Israeli concept of "returning home" as part of an Aliyah is distinct from immigration. For these reasons, the people who were part of such migration would most likely identify it with the X Aliyah name, not as anything else. So as long as there is a good source saying that an individual moving to (insert era) Palestine did so as part of an Aliyah, I believe it is a valid identifying category. My one is concern, though, that people who may have migrated and aren’t identified as part of an Aliyah may be added to these categories based on timespan alone; manual sorting could be required which (I know from experience) is exhaustive and nigh-impossible. For simplicity and not being technically untrue, I wouldn’t staunchly object to the merge proposals as laid out. Kingsif (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kaguya-hime
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 4#Category:Kaguya-hime
Category:Hijacked journals
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Proposal: listify, where it could be better sourced. Currently this content is not discussed in the eponym article, Hijacked journal, nor in most member artciles, e.g., Sylwan. fgnievinski (talk) 19:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep None of these are reasons for deletion. If it's not discussed in each article, it should be. That individuals are not discussed in the main eponimous article is irrelevant, because they shouldn't be. We mention the first known case, Archive des Sciences as an example, but there's no reason to mention the others. WP:NONDEF also does not apply because journals do not control if they are hijacked or not, but it's very much an important thing to know about a journal. And if you want to have a list, have a list, but that does not make the category irrelevant or useless. Also an important defense for WP:CITEWATCH. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, lots of things can be a "important thing to know" (for whom?) but that does not put WP:NONDEF aside. No objection to listification if someone volunteers for that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- for whom? For the reader. If you stumble upon a citation to e.g. Sylwan, it's important to know that Sylwan was hijacked, and that you may not be looking at the real Sylwan but the fake one. Also, per WP:NONDEF
- a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject.
- We have multiple reliable sources describing these journals as hijacked
- if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
- If it's not mentioned in the lead, it should be.
- if the characteristic falls within any of the forms of overcategorization mentioned on this page, it is probably not defining.
- It doesn't fall into any of them.
- Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources define them as "a hijacked journal"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Beall's list, Retraction Watch, ScholarlyOA (before it was itself hijacked), Walailak Journal, Nature, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those are sources about the topic of hijacking. The question is about sources about the subjects in the category. Please read WP:NONDEF carefully. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Every one of those sources identify specific journals being hijacked, and how they were hijacked. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the gist of NONDEF, so I'll quote:
- A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place.
- It goes on to say:
- if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining;
- No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". They just happen to be a victim of a scam. Granted, it's nice to know, but it needs to be sourced; a list would be the best place to cite sources, which is not technically possible in a mere category membership. fgnievinski (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- No Wikipedia article about a hijacked journal start (or should start) saying "Journal X is a hijacked journal". No, but the lead could (and I would argue, should) end with "The journal was hijacked by <organization>, with a fake website at <fakeurldomain>, and the legitimate site hosted at <realurldomain>".[source]" This is absolutely critical information because otherwise someone looking for e.g. Wulfenia could well end up checking the scam version rather than the legit version. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the gist of NONDEF, so I'll quote:
- Every one of those sources identify specific journals being hijacked, and how they were hijacked. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Those are sources about the topic of hijacking. The question is about sources about the subjects in the category. Please read WP:NONDEF carefully. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- See Beall's list, Retraction Watch, ScholarlyOA (before it was itself hijacked), Walailak Journal, Nature, etc... Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources define them as "a hijacked journal"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Headbomb's convincing arguments. If a journal is hijacked, that most certainly is a defining characteristic. --Randykitty (talk) 08:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean rename. Is there a better name than this? Like predatory? Mason (talk) 22:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Update: I've added the list from the category to the article Journal hijacking. Regardless of result, the list is there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and listify per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:NBC LX Home affiliates
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Category:Acquired citizenship
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- The result of the discussion was: Reverse merge * Pppery * it has begun... 16:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Acquired citizenship to Category:Change of nationality
- Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions on "Naturalized citizens". Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge is actually a better option, per below comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, the precedents were Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#People with acquired citizenship or Naturalized citizens and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 9#Category:People with acquired citizenship. – Fayenatic London 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Manual reverse merge would be better, I think, because in some cases people become dual nationals without losing the first nationality – in which case they are acquiring rather than changing. Although "Change of nationality" is part of the name of the subcat Category:Change of nationality in sport, that name does not match its stated scope which is "Sportspeople who have represented more than one nation". – Fayenatic London 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge. You don't have to change your original nationality to acquire a new one. Many people have more than one nationality. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comments
- Category:Acquisition and loss of nationality would be the most accurate name — not necessarily the best one
- There is a broader conflation in the category tree between Category:Nationality and its subcat Category:Citizenship. See Nationality section "Nationality versus citizenship" and table "List of nationalities which do not have full citizenship rights".
- The category should encompass BOTH gaining a new nationality AND losing an old one (Renunciation of citizenship and Category:Denaturalization). As others have said, "Change of nationality" is bad because it suggests a combination of gaining AND losing. OTOH "Acquired citizenship" is bad because it suggests ONLY gaining, NOT losing.
- subcat Category:Change of nationality in sport is not a true subcat. There are subnational and supernational "national" teams and there are sports where non-citizens can represent. It also seems to include things like the people who played for both Czechoslovakia and Slovakia.
- Note: the previous CFD is being reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_July_24#Category:People_with_acquired_citizenship. – Fayenatic London 20:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Baltic Germans
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Baltic Germans to Category:Baltic-German culture
- Nominator's rationale: Three related categories:
I am not sure which way to merge, but current situation makes a mess Estopedist1 (talk) 11:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- what I think should happen is it should be merged into "Category:Baltic-German people", than the page should be split into a new catigory called "Category:Lists of Baltic-German German people". the "Category:Baltic-German culture" should be made a subcategory of Baltic-German people. Zyxrq (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as parent category of Category:Baltic-German people and Category:Baltic-German culture which are clearly different subcategories. Presumably there is also room for a Category:Baltic-German history. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally agree. Zyxrq (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: in general, Baltic Germans (see this article) means "Baltic-German people". Umbrella concept should be something like "Baltic German world" (e.g. Wikidata bundle Wikidata:Q8459480) Estopedist1 (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ethnic categories are normally organized as a topic category on top and a "people" subcategory for biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1 @Marcocapelle I think this is kind of on topic but you guys think it would be Appropriate to create a new Template such as, Template:Baltic-Germans similar to Template:Baltic states for organizational purposes? Zyxrq (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ethnic categories are normally organized as a topic category on top and a "people" subcategory for biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: in general, Baltic Germans (see this article) means "Baltic-German people". Umbrella concept should be something like "Baltic German world" (e.g. Wikidata bundle Wikidata:Q8459480) Estopedist1 (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally agree. Zyxrq (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Farmers who died by suicide in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article and a category with two films. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:32, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, considering the content of Category:Agricultural health and safety there aren't even enough articles for Category:Farmers who died by suicide. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Models from London by borough
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- The result of the discussion was: keep categories with 5 or more members, merge the rest. ✗plicit 03:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Merge/Delete per WP:OCLOCATION Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a dual merge to both parent categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I was planning to slowly phase out the "People by Royal/London Borough of Foo" categories. Its quite different from the New York City boroughs (not least that there are far more of those) and, as far as I can tell, most of the people categorized by London borough are, more of than not, from there.
- In fact, I was going to suggest a purge of anyone who is not originally from London. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I wouldn't oppose that, but until there has been a discussion about it it should still be a dual merge. Suppose consensus is against the idea, then borough categories ought to remain properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Alright, I will add those targets then. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I wouldn't oppose that, but until there has been a discussion about it it should still be a dual merge. Suppose consensus is against the idea, then borough categories ought to remain properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep categories with 5 or more members, i.e. Camden, Croydon, Hackney, H&F, K&C, TH, Wandsworth & Westminster. Merge the rest as too small to be useful for navigation. I looked at some marginal cases and was not able to populate them further. – Fayenatic London 18:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, wouldn't you agree that this is WP:OCLOCATION? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia That guideline permits "diffusing a large category". As for "relevant bearing", IMHO it is relevant that some of these models come from disadvantaged areas of the capital. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, I would disagree - I don't think the category is particularly large in comparison to others to require diffusion - but I won't argue with you on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would cheerfully concede to the majority if more editors think they should all be merged. I will place a notice at WT:LONDON. – Fayenatic London 10:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, I would disagree - I don't think the category is particularly large in comparison to others to require diffusion - but I won't argue with you on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia That guideline permits "diffusing a large category". As for "relevant bearing", IMHO it is relevant that some of these models come from disadvantaged areas of the capital. – Fayenatic London 09:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london, wouldn't you agree that this is WP:OCLOCATION? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep the more populated categories, merge the smaller ones per Fayenatic London. Liz Read! Talk! 19:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:First women admitted to degrees at Oxford
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: While
notableinteresting, I'd say this is trivial. Perhaps Listify. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Not sure how anything can be admittedly notable and also trivial, but since I agree the topic is undoubtedly notable, it's a reasonable topic for both categories and articles. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap, I was going for the word "interesting" and have updated my rationale to reflect that. But we don't categorize by degrees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we categorize by occupation, not by admission to education. Besides "first" is quite subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your reply is very quick, and certainly wrong, which suggests it wasn't considered. "First" can mean "the first group of women admitted to degrees at Oxford", which is objectively definable. And since when was occupation the only possible category? It obviously isn't, there are heaps of other categories, like 1949 births and people from different countries, to name but two. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, then rename to Category:Women admitted to degrees at Oxford in 1920 to avoid confusion about the word "first". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Might the use of the word "first" be clarified if the category were titled "Women first admitted to degrees at Oxford?" The significance of the event is not that these women received degrees in 1920, but that women had been denied degrees prior to that year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Schonblom (talk • contribs) 20:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Eric Schonblom, that's true of every university then, is it not? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Women were excluded from degrees at Oxford from its founding in 1167 until 1920. That's a bit longer than could be stated for most universities. Am I missing the point? Eric Schonblom (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a bit. But if we were to categorize first women by university where should we draw the line? After 1910? 1900? That would be arbitrary in any case. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Women were excluded from degrees at Oxford from its founding in 1167 until 1920. That's a bit longer than could be stated for most universities. Am I missing the point? Eric Schonblom (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Eric Schonblom, that's true of every university then, is it not? Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your reply is very quick, and certainly wrong, which suggests it wasn't considered. "First" can mean "the first group of women admitted to degrees at Oxford", which is objectively definable. And since when was occupation the only possible category? It obviously isn't, there are heaps of other categories, like 1949 births and people from different countries, to name but two. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Listify. Categories are meant to help navigation. They are not just bundles of interesting things.Mason (talk) 00:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Converting this to an article with a list is a good idea. The references are already on the category page. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I've got a draft in the works. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Its also worth noting this is a list of women who were conferred degrees in 1920. They "graduated" a few years earlier, at different times. This is basically a ceremony to award degrees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Update: First women admitted to degrees at the University of Oxford has been moved to mainspace i.e. listified. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Religious leaders from the Roman Kingdom
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Early religion by century
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Category:Dionysus in mythology
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Dionysus in mythology to Category:Mythology of Dionysus
- Nominator's rationale: Dionysus is a mythological character and so most of the content related to him is related to mythology, but I can understand the point of diffusing all the miscellaneous articles relating to his mythology. The "X in mythology" category name is better used for depictions of real things and concepts in mythology, such as Category:Animals in mythology. The proposed name is based on Category:Mythology of Heracles. MClay1 (talk) 08:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
agree per nom. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of the Khwarazmian Empire
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Category:Bogs, fens and marshes in mythology
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Bogs, fens and marshes in mythology to Category:Wetlands in folklore
- Nominator's rationale: More encompassing and simpler name. Bogs, fens and marshes are apparently three of the four main types of wetlands, with swamps being the other, and I can't see why that should be excluded. Mythology is a subcategory of folklore. This is currently a small category, but I can see it being expanded, as wetlands are often the subject of folklore. MClay1 (talk) 06:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support. Total agreement with nom. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Dutch people of the Eighty Years' War (Spanish Empire)
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Category:Racially motivated violence against Europeans
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Category:Racially motivated violence against white people in Africa
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Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan
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Category:Games by genre
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Category:Mythology of Perseus
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Category:Greek mythological characters by location
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: User:Markx121993 appears to have tried to manually rename the category (that he created three years ago) by creating the new name and then manually moving all the contents. The old category then got nominated for speedy deletion for being empty, which I stopped by turning it into a redirect. I propose deleting the target and then doing a proper move so as not to lose the old category's page history. MClay1 (talk) 01:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Why did not Markx121993's propose a renaming in the first place? Dimadick (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge back and rename, to align with parent Category:Characters in Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Participant in the Council of Chalcedon
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the Council of Chalcedon to Category:Participants in the Council of Chalcedon
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the First Council of Constantinople to Category:Participants in the First Council of Constantinople
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the Second Council of Constantinople to Category:Participants in the Second Council of Constantinople
- Propose renaming Category:Participant in the First Council of Nicaea to Category:Participants in the First Council of Nicaea
- Nominator's rationale: I think these should be plural, but I'd like to get someone's opinion who is familiar with these councils Mason (talk) 00:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support pluralizing - no reason for them to be singular (not a topic i edit around, but a hobby interest of mine). ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support These were supposedly church councils with hundreds of participants. No need for singular in the title. Dimadick (talk) 06:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- support As the creator of these cats, I support this renaming, it feels more natural. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, obviously plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks all for the sanity check! It seemed so obvious, that I thought I was missing something.😅 Mason (talk) 20:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Togolese women company founders
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Togolese women company founders to Category:Togolese women in business
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are not enough people in this tree to justify diffusion. Mason (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Women company founders. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Togolese businesspeople by industry
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Togolese businesspeople by industry to Category:Togolese businesspeople
- Propose merging Category:Togolese business executives to Category:Togolese businesspeople
- Propose deleting Category:Togolese founders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layers Mason (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- neutral: I don't know what the thinking is about these cats, so I'm staying neutral and let the community vote on that, but note that I created those cats looking at the cats avalaible for Westerners doing the same job as the page I just created then, which was Kavsokl Batoka at the time, I believe. Here it was probably Coco Channel that was taken as an example by myself. Maybe it's a mistake, but at least it shows that the same type of cats exist for Western figures/countries. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one doubts that these categories can exist for non western categories. The challenge is that making lots of tiny categories makes it much more difficult to find individuals. Often the solution is to use a larger region for example Category:African people by occupation has numerous examples of this. Mason (talk) 20:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- neutral: I don't know what the thinking is about these cats, so I'm staying neutral and let the community vote on that, but note that I created those cats looking at the cats avalaible for Westerners doing the same job as the page I just created then, which was Kavsokl Batoka at the time, I believe. Here it was probably Coco Channel that was taken as an example by myself. Maybe it's a mistake, but at least it shows that the same type of cats exist for Western figures/countries. AgisdeSparte (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, this isn't helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the categories when they contain a couple of articles next to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crime in Togo by type
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Crime in Togo by type to Category:Crime in Togo
- Propose deleting Category:National security of Togo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Agencies of the Republic of Togo government to Category:Government agencies of Togo
- Nominator's rationale: There are numerous redundant category layers for a single page Agence nationale des renseignements (Togo) Mason (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, this isn't helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the categories when they contain a couple of articles next to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Social movements in Togo
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does not make too much sense to merge it to Category:Social issues in Togo. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture)
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 4#Category:Cities in Kloto (prefecture)
Category:Populated places in Togo by type
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Qwerfjkltalk 12:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Populated places in Togo by type to Category:Populated places in Togo
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant category layer. Mason (talk) 00:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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