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Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: listify then delete. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:List of place names of Choctaw origin in the United States to article List of place names of Choctaw origin, or List of Choctaw-language place names
Nominator's rationale: A list would be more instructive, showing the meaning and providing citations. Compare List of Chinook Jargon place names. If not, then rename to Category:Choctaw place names, compare Category:Chinook Jargon place names. – Fayenatic London 16:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and listify per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I suggested two options of renaming or listifying, but of course we could indeed do both. – Fayenatic London 08:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Do both?
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Category:List of association football clubs in the Republic of Ireland templates

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Category:2024 superhero films

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are no similar categories for other years and superhero films are covered by a variety of other categories that make ones like this unnecessary. -- ZooBlazer 22:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nominator has not demonstrated that we shouldn't have this category. Most other genres are subdivided to the year level, and the decade-level categories are large enough to support this. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is no reason that we should not have superhero-films by year categories. Dimadick (talk) 06:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Broken Sword games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same logic with Monkey Island. The parent category currently contains only 2 articles. And if we merge, we'll get a total of just 9 articles. It makes navigation easier, but we also have to move all of this category's subcategories manually, because the bot doesn't do that. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Annette Ducharme albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with only redirects to the same article isn't particularly useful for readers. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This would be fine if any of the albums actually had their own standalone articles — which is unlikely, since Annette Ducharme ended up achieving her permanent notability as a songwriter for other people rather than as a recording artist in her own right — but is not needed just to hold a bunch of redirects back to her BLP. Bearcat (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Armenian male writers by century

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to have a category for one (or even two )centuries. It doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Governors of Alabama Territory

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category only has (and can ever have) one person it it. Per Alabama Territory "William Wyatt Bibb (1781–1820) of Georgia was the only territorial governor, later elected to that position after statehood." Accordingly, this category is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 20:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Professional Wrestlers from Portland, Oregon

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Caps per MoS --Another Believer (Talk) 19:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Blue and Gold Honor Societies

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for university and college honor societies on a non-defining characteristic. Honor societies are not defined by their colors. Naraht (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Heroes who ventured to Hades

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Category:Critics employed by The New York Times

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with Category:The New York Times journalists and manually merge to appropriate categories in Category:American critics. No other category speicifically for "Critics by newspaper". Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British women by rank

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Category:LGBT men artists

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This is looking like it's going to need a broader discussion on men/women/male/female. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Moving to [full]. Norm is "Male artists". For the record, the speedy rename was supported by the category creator. @MikutoH and Marcocapelle: discussants. Mason (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Do you have any sources for the claim that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous? And can you please doublecheck that with a person or source you trust because I believe that is incorrect. Polygnotus (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that. And no, I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do, that is entirely against the spirit of Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: So, in summary: you wrote something that isn't true (Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward), I tried to help you by pointing it out, then you changed it to two other claims that are also not true ("Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing" and "Calling transgender men "male" could be slightly ambiguous") and now you made a new claim (I have already said that the terms female and male are often associated with sex assigned at birth and given a source for that.) that also isn't true (that source does not support that claim). You are perhaps misremembering the part where it says: Youth reported their sex assigned at birth by answering: “What is your sex?” Response options were female or male. Although this question does not refer to sex assigned at birth specifically, several studies have found that TGD youth are likely to understand “sex” to be sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity (the source says that the word "sex" is understood to mean sex assigned at birth rather than gender identity, not that the words "male" and "female" are associated with sex assigned at birth). I have asked you to provide a source for your claims that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly confusing or ambiguous and in response you wrote: I am not going to come up with unverifiable information like you do. That does not make sense. Polygnotus (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MikutoH: did vote but on the talkpage, not here. I have left a message on their talkpage asking them to vote here. Polygnotus (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed my mind and I'm neutral now. No one answered me: is the adjective women grammatical? Two editors said male exclude trans men. So what's the best?
It looks like more an undebated Wikipedia convention. --MikutoH talk! 22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The use of Women has been discussed in several other places. My goal is consistency within the Male artist category tree. I'd be fine moving to Men artists if all the other categories were also moved there. Mason (talk) 20:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support: I've always found it silly when Wikipedia has categories for men and women instead of males and females, simply because children cannot accurately be described as men or women, and leaving out young people from the categories would not be helpful. Mclay1 (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose per Marco and also because it would not be in sync with Category:LGBT women artists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what do you suggest we do for the entire Male artists tree? Mason (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Literary critics by ethnicity

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Category:Western European countries

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted after discussion as seen here Moxy🍁 19:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A very nice illustration that this is very fuzzy is Wikipedia itself (although not a reliable source) that says that Germany is in central Europe rather than western Europe, and the Netherlands in northwestern Europe rather than in western Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Northwestern Europe could be considered the northern half of Western Europe. As for countries in Central Europe or any other subdivision, there's no reason they can't be categorised in more than one region if there are sources to support it. The articles for the countries and/or regions will almost definitely discuss it. It just doesn't seem like an issue to me. Mclay1 (talk) 14:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete per nom. Which countries belong in Western Europe? The definition is extremely fuzzy. Mason (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Every country that reliable sources say belongs. I really don't understand why people have an issue with this. It's not the only category in the world that has debatable boundaries. Even Europe sometimes does or doesn't include countries like Cyprus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, etc. By your logic, we should also delete Category:Countries in Europe. Just like that category uses the largest accepted definition (with some border countries in multiple categories), we just need to pick a definition for this one and use it. Mclay1 (talk) 06:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:History of Northern Nigeria

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The result of the discussion was: split as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: split, this is a rather odd category because we have neither an article Northern Nigeria nor a Category:Northern Nigeria. We do have articles Northern Nigeria Protectorate and Northern Region, Nigeria so the proposal is to split the category in the same manner as the articles. Everything that fits neither can be dispersed to the tree of Category:History of Nigeria as appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Professional wrestling in Richfield Township, Summit County, Ohio

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The result of the discussion was: merge as unopposed (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 3 articles, does not aid navigation. User:Namiba 15:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Writers from the Thirteen Colonies

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The result of the discussion was: merge & rename back. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. In each case, the merge target is much much older. A category rename or a cfd would have been a better approach than creating duplicate categories. Mason (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, but immediately rename the targets back to Thirteen Colonies, per Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies. Otherwise people from New Spain or New France might be added to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm fine with merge and rename as long as in the end, we have a redirect pointing from Category:Colonial American FOO to Category:FOO from the Thirteen Colonies. That'll ensure that the category header templates can figure out what's happened and keep Category:17th-century American merchants as a child of Category:Merchants from the Thirteen Colonies. Mason (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per above discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National League

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 04:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the disambiguation on the article National League (baseball). Walsh90210 (talk) 03:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean support. This could have been speedied. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't sure if somebody would disagree with the original move; I also wasn't sure if some of the subcategories should be moved. Category:National League stolen base champions‎ seems clearly baseball-specific, Category:National League champion seasons‎ might also need to be moved (although there isn't a corresponding category for 2013–14 Luton Town F.C. season etc.). Walsh90210 (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Walsh90210, fair point. As for the rest, if this Cfd goes through, I'll check in with WP:Baseball and, if needed, speedy the approrpriate ones. That said, I don't think that would be necessary since they are all baseball-specific, even the "champion seasons" one. The championship system - for lack of a better term - is different for English football and baseball so there won't be confusion. The main category definitely needs to be changed though. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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